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Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta
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Mage has one of the strongest core sets to build from even with ice block gone, they've even avoided a nerf on anything from their base set which most classes can't say. They're always gonna be adaptable due to that.
Priest and Shaman rely a lot more on good expansions. In an ideal world priest goes right to the dumpster and stays there.
While that's true, they also lose Valet + Kabal Crystal Runner. Big Spell Mage could survive but without the fear of Ice Block, it's not that big of a threat. I'm sure they will be able to make a viable deck with new cards but that's to be seen.
Dragon Priest is undoubtedly screwed and Shaman is MIA with BOTH jade and evolve gone. Hoping to see some new mechanics that take advantage of Runespear.
Yup, I've asked if before if there was a terrible mage meta but as far as I know, never. It would be fine even if it were poor for an expansion.
Y'all gotta remember when considering new Shaman stuff that Wild still exists and Shaman has LOTS of good cards at low mana costs Wild. Ye Olde Aggro Shaman in Wild is still very powerful and on par with lots of the new paladin aggro decks out there, it may even be better because so many spells let you reach over the taunts to find lethal - though Doomhammer/Rockbiter is still core to the deck. So you can't give shaman too many early game tools or at least they can't be Tunnel Trogg/Totem Golem level. Hence leading to a lot of the stuff Shaman does get, which might be interesting, but not broken enough to put Shaman on top. And on top of that the base set for Shaman is quite bad when you don't have the early game minions to get to the good cards. Adding a decent 2 mana minion to the classic shaman set would really help them long term, IMO. As-is Flametongue is kinda it, and hero power totems are obviously not what you want. Maybe add Primalfin Totem or Eternal Sentinel to the base set as Shaman's other 2 drop.
Ohhh new cards:
I like Warpath for the flavor. It's very warrior-like.
That legendary feels like Shaku the Collector but a lot more high-roll-y.
Ohhh new cards:
I like Warpath for the flavor. It's very warrior-like.
That legendary feels like Shaku the Collector but a lot more high-roll-y.
Rogue Legendary seems fun, but random Legendaries are just so bad most of the time. Especially when you are having to play them for full cost.
Thinking more about Warpath. In a controlling warrior, 6 mana for acolyte of pain + 3 draws is certainly worth it at some phases of the game. At 1 mana and repeatable this is going to STOMP all over dude paladin and actually just about any current paladin deck. Obviously who knows what tanyone will be doing after the rotation, so its really hard to say, but this card is flexible and does AoE which are two nice things that Warrior is also losing with Sleep with the Fishes rotating out.
Edit: It's 2 mana, ignore all this.
Edit: It's 2 mana, ignore all this.
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You'd be right if it was disgustingly overpowered and actually 1 mana.
Rogue legendary would be so good if it kept with the rogue flavor of getting 1 costed 1-1 copies
I feel like Face Collector would be better if Rogue had a harder time drawing cards and keeping a full hand. It's a pretty cool card though.
Warpath seems pretty solid. It scales decently well as the mana cost goes up.
Warpath seems pretty solid. It scales decently well as the mana cost goes up.
haha fuck I just read it again and saw that it was 2 mana. I RECIND MY COMMENTS! It's still interesting for control as a tool, but not great.
And it really sucks for wild that they are going to continue to balance those two classes with expansions. They shouldn't have to print brand new insane board clears for priest ever single year. That's a problem that the MtG eternal format does not have.
Brode said they were thinking about adding cards into the Classic set. If they do, they will probably look to add cards that fill holes like these.
That's why they said they were thinking of Shatter moving to the Core Set, because they didn't want to give Mage an actual good card.
Every class is getting 2 legendary cards again right? I guess there won't me a specific theme for them this time around? Unless every class gets an echo legendary I guess.
Warpath is great and will certainly get played.
The rogue cards seems bad. They aren't excatly know for their greedy control decks.
The rogue cards seems bad. They aren't excatly know for their greedy control decks.
To be fair blizzard never knew what to do with rogues.
Honestly? fuck wild. If blizz lets wild hold standard shaman back then thats royally fucked. let wild be the dumping ground and if you care so much about it make some nerfs.
does it? It's mega slow, you can't complete it in one go and need a bounce to keep going towards completion w/ it.
Rogue needs to stop being the RNG class.
Like the new warrior card.
Glad they are not going crazy with odd/even stuff
Like the new warrior card.
Glad they are not going crazy with odd/even stuff
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a bit slow imo, i'd rather have an antiaggro tool. bouncing around 3 mana cards for quest completion is not ideal, particularly when you only get to put one copy in deck. value generation is nice but I doubt most random legendary weapons will be useful.
Plus it's the only copy in the deck.
Edit: Wait, does cost reduction factor in Echo? So if it's only 1 mana from Shadowstep, all the Echos are 1 mana?
Are you playing Wild or a very high/low rank in Standard?
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just casual on standard, I've never had that kind of redundancy happen to me before, it usually was 3 or 4 times against the same person, but this is far too much...
Yes, but shadowstep and cheat death allows for a 4 mana play twice from the same card, saving the need for one bounce. I don't think anything else does that.
It's not going to make Quest Rogue a thing because you still need a lot of stars to align to get it completed on turn 5 or 6, but if you're playing Quest Rogue anyway it seems like it would be worth including.
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Really odd. But I think the pool for casual vs. ranked is very low, since there's basically no penalty for playing ranked with meme/daily-fulfilling decks unless you're above rank 5 and trying to push for legend with no more win streaks or fallback ranks.
it's not gonna make it a thing cause quest rogue is losing a bouncer and coldlight oracle. It's gonna be a good topdeck post completing the quest but quest rogue doesn't really run these.
How quick is the brawl? I guess I should do it regardless cause it's 3 free packs.
The fact that rogue is losing bounces means Quest Rogue almost has to run the 3 mana echo cards because they are basically bounces themselves. It's a pretty reliable way to have the quest on turn 7 which I don't know what else could.
1 shadowstep/cheat death and either the second 2/4 taunt or a panda, and you've got the quest on turn 7, needing either 1 or 4 mana to play the reward same turn depending on how exactly it's done.
2 shadowstep/cheat death and you have the quest on turn 5, needing 4 more mana to play the reward same turn.
But we're in agreement that Quest Rogue will still be bad either way, so whatever.
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That's actually a good point. Quest Rogue is still incredibly fun to play just has no viability on ladder.
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/21634712/hearthside-chat-with-peter-whalen-echo
New developer video.
The mystery mechanic seems like it would have been cool.
New developer video.
The mystery mechanic seems like it would have been cool.
It's true quest rogue lost a bounce, they also gained multiple bounces last set. The 3 drop that gives a copy of a minion on board, shadowdancer sonya, and the secret. I say the new rogue legendary screams quest rogue only because it is echo and generates cards so they don't run out of steam and is an excellent bounce target itself.
I can't think of another rogue archetype that might want to run this card, though I guess draw 3 legendary minions and play a 6/6 for 9 mana is pretty decent value if rogue can put together a control deck with kingsbane/leeching poison.
I can't think of another rogue archetype that might want to run this card, though I guess draw 3 legendary minions and play a 6/6 for 9 mana is pretty decent value if rogue can put together a control deck with kingsbane/leeching poison.
That's the Blizzard motto for lots of Rogue cards ;-)
I just realized that the 3 mana taunt echo also would leave behind a few 2/4 taunts while you bounce stuff around. That seems a lot better than what Quest Rogue tends to leave on the board right now.
Even without Quest Rogue, all the bounceback mechanics of that class gives the echo keyword way more potential in any rogue deck.
Even without Quest Rogue, all the bounceback mechanics of that class gives the echo keyword way more potential in any rogue deck.
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even running both of these and which are fantastic you only complete the quest turn 5 usually and don't play it till turn 6. This can only get slower through rotation meaning you still get your heads bashed in by any aggro deck. The taunt might actually be pretty good though that's a good point. If you get 2 you can get 4 taunts over 2 turns if you manage to slow the opponent down.
I've done some awesome stuff with zola and sonya in particualr combining the too. You're just drowning in value at that point.
Looks good! I got the invite for the closed beta but never redeemed it. Now I regret it. lol
I was too busy snacking with friends, I forgot that I had a game, and it was already turn 5 against cubelock, still won x)
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Https://www.zerotoheroes.com/r/hearthstone/5ab45a6f4b859d0001b488d7
Luckily he was slow and my hand was good.
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Https://www.zerotoheroes.com/r/hearthstone/5ab45a6f4b859d0001b488d7
Luckily he was slow and my hand was good.
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