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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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People are not required to read your posts on your own terms. What you are doing here has been obvious since your first post. No one is going to pretend otherwise.
Well, you were constantly openly belittling posters for having no proof of their claims or discrediting said proof to claim your opinion was the only correct one, while offering no proof of your own statements. I don't know too many people who get on a high horse like that and then want or expect to be pushed off of them.
Can't see what's unreasonable of asking you to back up claims you make. If what you're saying is true, then cool, but making silly claims like the DQX one without being able to point to a source of where you're getting it from isn't.
I found this about defiance
https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont
So it seems it was MS first. Can't find much else. Except yoshida for FFXIV also said that it was Microsoft's fault that it wasn't on its system so...
Edit: beaten.
https://kotaku.com/5813740/i-saw-the-playstation-3-wired-to-play-against-an-xbox-360-but-you-wont
So it seems it was MS first. Can't find much else. Except yoshida for FFXIV also said that it was Microsoft's fault that it wasn't on its system so...
Edit: beaten.
I did. You dismissed them out of hand, even when the mountain of evidence suggested to the contrary. Your assertion that something was a "silly claim" is just the definition of confirmation bias. The only ambiguity to the arguments against your claim was the one you created.
When he demanded I name a game that did not come to PS4 due to Sony refusing to support cross play, and i did, he argued the quality of the game. Which is the definition of moving goal posts.
So you do have a source that DQX didn't require Sony approval for cross play because it's on an over the top network? I must have missed it.
Nope. Minecraft is indeed on PS4, it's just no longer receiving updates as it's not the cross play version. Better Together is an update, not a new game.
And as I've said. I'd love for it to happen. I've wanted it to happen since ps2 days. But it doesn't look like it ever will. Maybe 3rd parties can come together and say enough is enough for ps5 and Xbox infinite.
Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition and Minecraft are two separate titles. Two separate SKUs. Two separate retail packages. Two different engines. Two different code bases. We've gone over this.
I proudly wore my colors when I saw EA was receiving unwarranted flak during the whole Battlefront 2 microtransaction controversy. I don't think people realized the potential revenue stream they were missing out on by taking out Crystals. To this day I still shudder in my sleep at the thought of all the money they could've made.
Simple legal knowledge that Sony can't control a network they don't own and the fact that it's the only example of PS4 crossplay with non-Sony consoles, especially when it's stacked against evidence that only games that run through PSN are affected, is more than sufficient for people arguing in good faith. You clearly haven't been.
Besides, I thought you didn't care about cross-play discussion. If we're to believe that's true, you're free to leave the thread meant for a discussion you state you have no real interest in any time now. Further personal attacks at my or any other posters' credibility after you've expended all of yours are off-topic at this point and just derailing the thread.
So link to that legal information? Sony can in fact not allow a game to release on PS4 if cross play is a requirement and they don't want it. They clearly would have had to have known there was going to be cross play with DQX when they allowed it on PS4. That is, unless Square is just so sneaky they hid it from Sony, which I somehow doubt.
So again, source please.
Never said I don't care about the discussion. I don't care if it happens, either way, to be clear.
What Minecraft version is on the PS4? Is it "Minecraft" or is it "Minecraft Playstation 4 Edition" ?
With Better Together and crossplay came a new version to Xbox One called "Minecraft". That's a new game to me, not an update.
The "Minecraft Xbox One Edition" exists alongside it.
This is the only reference you'll find, and it never states that Sony was keen or even open, so it doesn't answer the question.
Also "Edit: beaten"? Hmmm...
"Not having control of something you don't own or administrate" is so basic, yet you want legal precedent? .... K?
But to follow your argument all the way through, if Final Fantasy XIV gets a version on another console, do you think Sony will pull FFXIV from the PSN Store and lock out users from going online with their copy because Square Enix added a platform to the game that wasn't part of their original release platforms? The answer is no. Because Sony has no control over another company's network. It's so elementary that it doesn't require proof, it's self-evident. If that's not enough, I believe you wouldn't be happy unless I produced a line-for-line replica of the agreement Sony and Square Enix penned to have DQX released on PS4, instead of looking at all the other evidence and such basic common-sense information and draw the completely natural conclusion. If you're not going to consider that enough evidence for the claim, whatever, that's your issue, not mine.
Again, Sony can block a game from being released on their platform if they don't want it to have cross play, or make an agreement with the developers that they can't add it. But again, source on that assumption, specifically for the DQX situation you're so set on is true? I don't care if you're right or wrong, but if you make a claim like that, back it up with a credible source.
Would Sony pull FFXIV if it released on Xbox One? Probably not, but we'll see if anything happens if that ever happens.Someone, somewhere is preventing it. Whether that is MS or Sony, we don't know.
Leaving aside the impossibility of Sony saying no to a Dragon Quest game for fear of the bad PR that would generate in Japan alone (because you know that's what the outcome would be when it came to light), this reply confirms what we were already saying, that a Japan-exclusive MMO where the choice is "game with a network we don't control allowing cross-play" versus "no game at all" is an edge case and not comparable to games run through PSN where Sony can have their cake and eat it on crossplay, and is therefore not proof of Sony being OK with cross-play, as has already been established through other means. So providing proof on this point is meaningless, since it was only brought into the discussion in the first place as a means to disprove something that's now been proven factual: that Sony disallows cross-play for games that have online play via PSN, regardless of platform.
So yet again, let's get back to the actual topic.
If we're to believe posters here, one could imagine whoever gains dominance in the market is inevitably going to forego cross-play, since it's not beneficial to them anymore.
But in all seriousness, I think this probably will continue to be a sticking point. At the very least, Sony is going to dig their heels in to the bitter end.
Nobody is claiming that MS didn't say no to console cross-play with PS3 last gen.
That's not the same as Sony saying yes to it, which is what that poster asked for.
This narrative that Sony did their best to have cross-play with other consoles last-gen is laughable at best. Let's entertain the idea that Xbox was blocking it all along. Where was the Nintendo cross-play then? Something that Microsoft is doing, btw.
Crossplay with PS4 has become something so simple, that you can enable it by mistake if you are not careful. With Fornite they enabled crossplay with PS4 and Xbox twice by mistake.
User has been warned: bait post that only paints a clear picture about the poster themselves.
56 pages...wow.
Let me suggest how things have come to this.
Sony and PC crossplay is successful,
Sony leads in consoles sold by a considerable amount.
Microsoft wants some of those MAUs.
Offers Sony a crossplay deal.
Gives Sony their terms and conditions.
Sony says fuck that, we have the market.
Microsoft uses this to push an agenda.
It still doesn't work.
Xbox one's are still sitting on shelves along with the much needed and wanted backwards compatibility.
Sony announces another 18 million consoles sold.
Sony is anti consumer but releases more exclusive titles than the competition put together.
Continues to dominate crossplay player numbers.
Drake gives Sony free cross platform advertising.
Microsoft continues to push Xbox anywhere.
The consumer is still baffled as to what this is.
Resetera goes into meltdown.
Let me suggest how things have come to this.
Sony and PC crossplay is successful,
Sony leads in consoles sold by a considerable amount.
Microsoft wants some of those MAUs.
Offers Sony a crossplay deal.
Gives Sony their terms and conditions.
Sony says fuck that, we have the market.
Microsoft uses this to push an agenda.
It still doesn't work.
Xbox one's are still sitting on shelves along with the much needed and wanted backwards compatibility.
Sony announces another 18 million consoles sold.
Sony is anti consumer but releases more exclusive titles than the competition put together.
Continues to dominate crossplay player numbers.
Drake gives Sony free cross platform advertising.
Microsoft continues to push Xbox anywhere.
The consumer is still baffled as to what this is.
Resetera goes into meltdown.
Sony = the bestest that can't stop winning.
MS = losers pushing an agenda.
Thanks for clearing that up
But MS said NO last-gen. What is the problem?
Put somewhere - "You need to pay to play F2P game on XBone" in between.
So because Sony is making lots of money... consumers are in the wrong for being upset at policies that inconvenience them? Companies that make a lot of money cannot be criticized and pushed to change some of their shittier aspects? God this fucking thread is driving me nuts.
TIL I learned that
Consumers care about: NPD numbers, MAUs, advertising and the terms and conditions between platform holders.
Consumers don't care about: Being able to play games with their friends and family
Which consumers? The only people I've seen complaining about it is on resetera. On other forums people aren't complaining about it talk less of in the 'real world'. People have more important priorities.
Basically. If a company is on top at a point in time, you better think twice before criticizing them. Absolutely speechless
My friends who are all on different platforms? You really haven't had anyone who couldn't play with you because you played on a different platform than you? Why wouldn't you want this to be a thing
No, consumers simply don't give a shit.
You can play Fortnite for free on PC, ios, android and PS4, not the other platform. That is all that matters. This push of "it has to be Sonys fault" only goes so far. For all we know Sony said "Yes, yes we can have cross platform play, if Microsoft stops charging for f2p"
A lot of people I know give a shit. It will only be compounded the more popular this game becomes
Sounds like you REALLY wanna stretch it to give Sony the benefit of the doubt lol
rofl what is this horseshit?
"For all we know" != Pulling things out of your arse.
What about the other games that aren't f2p?
This literal Fortnite scenario and Sony blocking crossplay has been written about by little niche gaming sites such as the BBC. It's spread further than Resetera. Good.
I think if you've played it on PS4 and Xbox seperately (to use Fortnite as an example), the iOS version locks you to the first profile that you log in to as. I remember someone complaining that they used their PSN profile to log in to the iOS version but they actually wanted to switch to their Xbox version but it wouldn't let them. I think I remember that right?
Regardless, you have to log in with one account or the other to enable the cross progression. So it won't be progressing both if you have profiles on both PS4 and Xbox One.
Its not that I don't want it to be a thing, it's that I don't care if it's a thing. From a business perspective, making it a thing is entirely stupid. If you make it a thing, then the next logical step is to push publishers to provide a similar offering to play anywhere offered by Microsoft. That means if I purchase a copy of fifa on Xbox, I should also get a pc copy, PS4 copy, switch copy, etc because it's the same game. Do you not notice that the only companies pushing for this are those who's best interests are aligned with this feature. I don't hear Activision, EA, or Ubisoft pushing for this at all.
And yet here you are, defending poor Sony's honour.
Those that care about this (fans from every platform) should be able to talk about this without PS4 fans coming in and screaming "BUT I DON'T CARE".
Surely you are fucking with me. I never thought I'd get a "slippery slope" argument about fuckign crossplay. Christ Almighty. NONE of the developers pushing for crossplay want to give you five copies for one purchase lol not Psyonix, not Microsoft, not Epic. They do, however, want a larger, more cohesive playerbase to keep their games alive longer. This is essential for indie games.
The problem with your assumption is the fact that I own an Xbox one x, a PS4 pro and a switch but yea, whatever.....
Epic's game is free, Psyonix's game is sub $20 and Microsoft already gives me 2 copies(PC & XB1) of their games. Anyway, I'm really don't have any interest in discussing this further so I'm out.
Umm Sony did the whole crossbuy thing with PS4/PS3 and Vita for a number of games lol. It's a good, consumer friendly way to coax you into investing more into an ecosystem. But yeah, i can't think of any crossplay games that will give you free copies for every single other system it's on. Sounds like to me you just pulled a reason out of your ass to not support this.
Jesus I don't even know what to say to this. Sony fanboys on this forum really will defend this to the end won't they.
Why is this even being brought up, there is an entire thread for that topic.
I really don't care who wins or loses as there's nothing to gain for me from this "argument". If you want to award yourself the win, go ahead. I'll even say you won, enjoy your day.
The defense force is getting embarassing. As a consumer I thank you all for fighting for those poor corporations' wellbeing, I am sure they'd all fail without your help in defending their shit policies on online forums and voting with your wallet for them.
It really is embarrassing, I just can't fathom why people are actively defending Sony about this. Why aren't we all pushing to get this through, and answers of "Don't care" can leave the thread then.
I'm a consumer too and my point of view is Sony being arrogant
Similarly to how they said no to ea access
The "I don't care about crossplay" answer seems to be the default option once you're out of ideas on how to defend a company that is not allowing crossplay. I know that the ones that really don't care about this are not even posting on threads like this, that's how I know they don't care.