I'm not ignoring anything.
With a = PS4 production cost
With b = Switch production cost
With x = ESRB cost
If a < b, then a + x < b + x
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Limited Run Games |OT| Sweet XOXO for Digital to Physical Media
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I'm not ignoring anything.
With a = PS4 production cost
With b = Switch production cost
With x = ESRB cost
If a < b, then a + x < b + x
I think the only reason to give LRG a pass on this one is because of their business model and the goodwill generated from it. If any other publisher raised the prices of the PS4 and Xbox One versions of a game to cover the cost of putting it on the Switch no one would accept that, except perhaps the Switch owners. Like, imagine Konami doing this. Now imagine the amounts of #fuckkonami.
If anything, they get less of a pass because of their business model. If activision did this, I wouldnt be happy, but I also would be effected less because I don't buy several activision games a month.
I know how maths work.
You've failed to explain how this is any different than the Vita games being sold for the same price as PS4 games for years.
The price for PS4 games would be going up anyway.
You are describing something that most companies already do, which is offsetting the manufacturing costs of one item by increasing the retail price of another item that's cheaper to make. Again, this is one of those "just the way business works" kinda things.
This is way too intense for something that is as simple as:
We did $10 over digital, now it's $15.
ESRB wants $$$
Now we can still operate and pay the ESRB to exist.
Guess I should have started with that.
We did $10 over digital, now it's $15.
ESRB wants $$$
Now we can still operate and pay the ESRB to exist.
Guess I should have started with that.
Two wrongs don't make a right though. I don't think you can assume that everyone who isn't fine with paying extra so that Switch owners have to pay less was fine with doing the same with the Vita.
Yup.
It should have been like that from the start. Talking about price parity, etc just really muddled things.
The person I responded to literally defended it with Vita and PS4:
... And literally no one complained about it with Vita and PS4.
WHO was supposed to complain ? No one was paying more than they should have ! No one was penalized !
I feel like you're trolling me for lolz so I'll stop answering.
Vita owners were not getting a deal on the back of PS4 owners or at least it has never been presented like that.
Oki doki. Yes, you should have, no offense ^^
I'll accept that and stop complaining on this one :)
The way I understand it is that Vita owners were not getting a deal on the back of PS4 owners, they were getting a deal at the expense of LRG making less selling a 25 dollar vita game than when selling a 25 dollar PS4 game
Yes, they are.
Switch and Vita costs are comparable and both higher than PS4. To use your own algebra back on you:
With c = Vita production costs
If c = b, then a < c and a + x < c + x.
But Vita and PS4 releases cost the same to consumers.
S/he doesn't speak for everyone though.
And you've read literally every single conversation about LRG prices out there to be able to make that blanket statement? :P
Which means LRG just makes less on Vita sales.
They could have just charged more for Vita, and now Switch, products. With some of the Witch hunts we have seen against other publishers, I can see why they dont.
Though we'd probably see less conversation about dropping the Vita if a Vita sale made as much as a PS4 sale did.
Well I know there wasn't multiple pages of complaining and arguing about it.
...and now they just make less on Switch sales too.
They could have charged more for Vita, but they didn't and people didn't have an issue with it.
You're totally mixing Production Cost and Price, it's cute \o/
People didn't have an issue in paying less, so they shouldn't have an issue... paying more ? True logic.
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I wish your mental gymnastics were just as cute.
Vita production costs are comparable to Switch production costs, both are higher than PS4 production costs.
Vita releases are priced identically to PS4 releases. Switch releases are priced identically to PS4 releases.
All releases are now more expensive due to ESRB fees.
I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. Vita games may have been sold at a smaller profit, but they also made LRG stand out and attracted a small but very loyal fanbase, which is worth a lot by itself.
I know collecting for the Vita is the main thing that stood out to me and had me buying the early releases.
I know collecting for the Vita is the main thing that stood out to me and had me buying the early releases.
I'm not angry at LRG, I'm over it. At this point it's just become a mathematical feud with Oregano :3
Since apparently you "know your maths" :
We have :
A being the PS4 ; B being the Vita ; C being the Switch
Price(A) = a + profit + x
Price(B) = b + x
Price(A) = Price(B)
b = c
Price of the Switch should include both profit and ESRB cost from their own saying. Thus :
Price(C) = c + x + profit
<=> Price(C) = (b + x) + profit
<=> Price(C) = Price(B) + profit
Then Price(C) > Price(B)
Then Price(C) > Price(A)
The only way Switch and PS4 should cost the same is either : letting go the Switch profit (like with the Vita) or artificially raising the PS4 price with an arbitrary value. If they're choosing the second option, that explains how it is different from the "PS4 / Vita parity", just like you asked me.
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No kidding. People are just being crazy and entitled over the silliest of things. I'm kinda shocked that message wasn't accepted sooner as I understood it the first time without any issues... And I'd still buy from you guys over Play Asia and Super Rare Games any day as your shipping isn't stupidly expensive (only $5) and you don't take 2+ months after the product is sent in the mail to get to my home. (like when I bought Cursed Castilla from PA. Never again even though EAS's releases are high-quality. I wish they'd move to Amazon JP already)
You're not debating in good faith if you're arbitrarily deciding that the price of a Switch release does not contain the profit margin whereas the price of the Vita release does, when the production costs, ESRB fees and end price are the same. Your proof only works if profit = 0.
The price is being raised because of the ESRB, which has been repeated ad nauseum.
Woof, can the people arguing just take it to private messages?
I feel like we've come to the conclusion on why it's being raised now and that it does indeed suck but it has to happen to continue.
I feel like we've come to the conclusion on why it's being raised now and that it does indeed suck but it has to happen to continue.
It exhausts me coming in here sometimes for news/discussions :/
Does this person who won't stop debating you also want LRG to travel to his home and lick his shoes clean too? For zero dollars out of their pocket? Like seriously?
An existing stakeholder that is integral to the process (the ESRB) demands more dough for anything physical.
Costs have gone up.
The End.
I just want to say that I'm pretty pumped to pick up Kero Blaster tomorrow. LRG has really honed in on my weakness: 2D retro-styled platformers.
Also, in addition to all the other Switch release hopefuls, I really hope The Mummy Demastered gets a physical (hopefully with that big balance patch included in cart).
Here's a Hail Mary: does anyone remember High Strangeness? It came out on Wii U several years ago and almost no one talked about it, despite being a good game. It'd be awesome to see it get a Switch re-release (and physical). Elliot Quest as well, if only because the Wii U version was buggy as hell. I'd be very happy with a PS4 physical of that, though.
Also, in addition to all the other Switch release hopefuls, I really hope The Mummy Demastered gets a physical (hopefully with that big balance patch included in cart).
Here's a Hail Mary: does anyone remember High Strangeness? It came out on Wii U several years ago and almost no one talked about it, despite being a good game. It'd be awesome to see it get a Switch re-release (and physical). Elliot Quest as well, if only because the Wii U version was buggy as hell. I'd be very happy with a PS4 physical of that, though.
...back to our regularily scheduled topic.
I want to give this game a Switch nomination:
https://nintendoeverything.com/shelter-generations-coming-to-switch-as-a-console-exclusive/
I want to give this game a Switch nomination:
https://nintendoeverything.com/shelter-generations-coming-to-switch-as-a-console-exclusive/
Prices should just be raised to 59.99 so we can get the argument "well, some SNES games used to cost up to 90 dollars, so it's still a bargain!"
People don't like to pay more for things, so they're going to voice their complaints even if there is some justification to the prices increasing. And, it's great that LRG communicates with us as much as they do, but they are still a business to me. If prices keep increasing, or if middling/bad games get the physical treatment, I'll do what I've been doing: I'll voice my complaints, and vote with my wallet. I don't have a compulsion to buy every game to complete a collection and I certainly have no obligation to buy everything to ensure future titles get released. I understand why prices increased, but as someone who pays for the product, it doesn't make me happy. But, I'm fine with moving on from this discussion.
People don't like to pay more for things, so they're going to voice their complaints even if there is some justification to the prices increasing. And, it's great that LRG communicates with us as much as they do, but they are still a business to me. If prices keep increasing, or if middling/bad games get the physical treatment, I'll do what I've been doing: I'll voice my complaints, and vote with my wallet. I don't have a compulsion to buy every game to complete a collection and I certainly have no obligation to buy everything to ensure future titles get released. I understand why prices increased, but as someone who pays for the product, it doesn't make me happy. But, I'm fine with moving on from this discussion.
Sorry for the fuss everyone.
Don't start talking like Sarge though, LRG, please :p
There's plenty of small indie games on the Wii U that would deserve a physical print. Frankly I wish Nintendo went a little bit deeper with the eShop Selects. I'd be really surprised to learn that Steamworld didn't sell well at retail but maybe that's the case ?
Don't start talking like Sarge though, LRG, please :p
There's plenty of small indie games on the Wii U that would deserve a physical print. Frankly I wish Nintendo went a little bit deeper with the eShop Selects. I'd be really surprised to learn that Steamworld didn't sell well at retail but maybe that's the case ?
I'd rather drop it as this point because it's going nowhere.
Now tell me.... have you ever been in touch with Shin'en?:P
It has been heavily hinted in the past, although I think the interview in question has been removed ?
https://nintendoeverything.com/limi...-hinting-at-a-physical-version-of-golf-story/
Why would $15 stop golf story ?
Would I not be able to have a game I want cus people can't afford it ? Uhhhhhh
Would I not be able to have a game I want cus people can't afford it ? Uhhhhhh
I thought this was hinted and many assumed would have been the first game for Switch?
Super GunWorld 2 was $9 digitally on PSN. Price doesn't matter.
Ah, I now remember this. I was kinda deterred from this actually happening due to the price tag.
Ah ok, this is reassuring. I hope it does come, I'll grab it in a heartbeat and start playing it for the first time *fingers crossed*
Nah I wasn't thinking that, but I've heard from some that Switch games that are less than $20 were more than likely not to get a physical release. I've been holding off on getting it due to the aforementioned article.
The pricing is the following :
- if a game digitally costs $15 or less (even 50 cents), it will be sold $30 by LRG (minimum price).
- if it digitally costs more than $15, LRG will simply add a $15 markup.
- Dariusburst taught us that apparently $60 is the maximum for a standard edition.
Apparently it's gonna be true for the Switch as well as the PS4 from now on.
- if a game digitally costs $15 or less (even 50 cents), it will be sold $30 by LRG (minimum price).
- if it digitally costs more than $15, LRG will simply add a $15 markup.
- Dariusburst taught us that apparently $60 is the maximum for a standard edition.
Apparently it's gonna be true for the Switch as well as the PS4 from now on.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to more news regarding what LRG plans to localize and publish, especially what that means for Vita.
Need dem announcements.
Stranger of Sword City Revisited when?
You wouldn't believe how badly I want Elliot Quest for an LRG game. PS4 and Switch, I WILL buy both of that game as it was so good
I never said this, can you show me where I said this? All I ever said that I wanted was price parity among all platforms, a policy Limited Run Games has had since the beginning. Thankfully LRG and their partners also believe in price parity. Prices going up suck, and I wish that prices didn't have to go up, but as LRG has stated, it was inevitable
As for this bit:
This is what you would call "argumentum ad populum" or "appeal to the masses". It is a fallacious argument which concludes that a proposition must be true if many or most people believe it.
You can read more about this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Nice try, trying to trigger me again ;)
This debate is so March 15th.
I'll live with the price hike but if there are platform-specific costs in the future like if LRG is forced to use a 16GB or 32GB Switch cart then I think it's fair that only consumers on that platform pay for it. I plan to buy a mix of Switch and PS4 games for the record. I have never been a proponent of cheaper handheld titles at retail by default or Vita/PS4 parity from LRG, unless the price difference was more or less negligible.
Either way, a few bucks to fund LRG and the devs won't kill me. Looking forward to giving my money to LRG and the talented developer behind Kero Blaster
today.
Either way, a few bucks to fund LRG and the devs won't kill me. Looking forward to giving my money to LRG and the talented developer behind Kero Blaster
and the ESRB
One thing I don't like about lrg is the special editions, they have changed many times the packaging, contents, price etc and seem that lrg hasn't still found the right spot (as eastasia soft has done). Today I have received skullgirls and I believe it's the best edition speaking of price/content and they should stick to that. Much better price than some of the recent editions, an incredible manual, the ost, the gift, slip cover, reversible cover, amazing disc art and great cards too, patches on disc/card... And moreover it's an amazing game, so everything perfect about the release (except the delays but it has been worth the wait)
They should go after some VNs that already have translations on PC like Flowers.