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TheSpaceBetween

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MoonFrog said:
It does seem like a long time. The question for me is: if it is a port, why isn't it instead a new 2D Mario?

I'd think that the 2D Mario staff would have to be up to something else besides a port and if it were 2D Mario I don't think they'd need to do the port, which makes me think about either the new IP mantra or SMM2 taking priority over a new 2D Mario while Nintendo still has the good sense to get 2D Mario on the Switch in a timely manner.

Or perhaps it is not a port.
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A port is much easier than a new game. It took 3 years to develop NSMBU according to the Iwata Asks. It's a very good game and deserves to be played by more people. There's no doubt on my mind we'll get a brand new 2D Mario at some point for the Switch.
 
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MoonFrog said:
It does seem like a long time. The question for me is: if it is a port, why isn't it instead a new 2D Mario?

I'd think that the 2D Mario staff would have to be up to something else besides a port and if it were 2D Mario I don't think they'd need to do the port, which makes me think about either the new IP mantra or SMM2 taking priority over a new 2D Mario while Nintendo still has the good sense to get 2D Mario on the Switch in a timely manner.

Or perhaps it is not a port.
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A port isn t gonna stop a new game from being made. If there was a game that upsurps a port and can come out soon, then there wouldn't be a port. Otherwise, they either arent working on a 2D Mario or it's further away than we anticipate
 

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Animal Crossing is definitely a mystery. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some big online features for that game. This'll be another game for the paid subscription.
 
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I would be extremely surprised if they delayed Pokemon to get Animal Crossing out. Pokemon is a vast franchise and arguably their heaviest hitter (up there with Mario) - they would far rather that came out around the November Christmas rush.
 

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My "out there" want for E3 is Nintendo to announce Luigi's Mansion 3 for 2019. Luigi's Mansion was them "letting us down" because they knew we'd want it on Switch, but they've been working on LM3 for Switch and will have a reveal trailer.
 
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The 2D Mario situation is very odd to me. The Pikmin and 2D Mario teams are the same, so it makes me wonder what exactly has been going on with that team. Pikmin 4 was said to be nearly done months before Mario Maker was even out, then it apparently fell off the list of priorities.
They're one of the biggest teams in Nintendo's EPD sector, they released 4 games in 12 months.
They haven't released a single thing in 3 years, what in the world have they been doing this entire time?
 
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Berordn said:
They probably learned their lesson from Pikmin 3 and are sitting on it until they're sure it's ready to release in a short timeframe.
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What was wrong with Pikmin 3? That was well received when it came out. Hell, they sat on that as it was originally a Wii title if I remember correctly
 

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They're turning Pikmin 4 into a GaaS with lootboxes so if you want white Pikmins you better open up that wallet.
 
MoonFrog

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My point was: if they are making a new 2D Mario, you'd think it'd be ready and there'd be no point to a port at all.
 
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MoonFrog said:
My point was: if they are making a new 2D Mario, you'd think it'd be ready and there'd be no point to a port at all.
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I'm really starting to doubt it's a port. It could be a number of things that a leaker could be confusing for a port. Mario Maker sequel, NSMB All Stars, NSMBU Remix type game, a new type of 2D Mario where you travel through different art style levels, etc.

Hell it could even be NSMB Wii emulated and upscaled in HD.
 
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MoonFrog said:
My point was: if they are making a new 2D Mario, you'd think it'd be ready and there'd be no point to a port at all.
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Hmm, a port seems possible if the amount of work required is way less and enabling them to work on other stuff. Maybe a Mario Maker sequel or Pikmin 4. I think a port makes more sense, actually. The Wii U Mario really didn't reach its potential.
 
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MoonFrog said:
My point was: if they are making a new 2D Mario, you'd think it'd be ready and there'd be no point to a port at all.
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Well didn't some leakers tell us that the Switch will be getting a Splatoon port and it ended up being Splatoon 2? I kind of get the feeling it's more likely a new NSMB game or perhaps a new SMM. I feel that with how much time there's been since the last one that a new game would be more likely than a port
 

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Here we go. Everyone wishy washy with this NSMBU game. We see this time and time again. One person speculates and we go from NSMBU to it being a new Mario Maker game lol. Atleast we know it's a 2D Mario game.

I still think people should becareful with their E3 expectations. I've already seen some people say after this port machine Direct we had, that they have high expectations of all brand new games in Nintendo's E3 presentation.

Diablo 3 might get announced at E3 and that's an old game.
 

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There's no chance the NSMBU port rumour is true unless Nintendo only realised sometime in 2017 that they had no big holiday title for 2018 and the 2D Mario team had been working on other projects up to that point.

However they have Smash and potentially Pokemon so that makes little sense to me.
 

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MarcyPoos said:
There's no chance the NSMBU port rumour is true unless Nintendo only realised sometime in 2017 that they had no big holiday title for 2018 and the 2D Mario team had been working on other projects up to that point.

However they have Smash and potentially Pokemon so that makes little sense to me.
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It could literally be NSMBU + a new world with 80 levels and that would be fine. Pokémon is not a guarantee this year.
 
MoonFrog

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Yeah I was thinking if the port rumor is true, then the Mario staff is probably on SMM2 or something else and not another 2D Mario.

IDK. Perhaps it is NSMBU port this year, new 2D Mario next year. That just seemed a little odd to me is all.
 
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Dark Cloud said:
Here we go. Everyone wishy washy with this NSMBU game. We see this time and time again. One person speculates and we go from NSMBU to it being a new Mario Maker game lol. Atleast we know it's a 2D Mario game.

I still think people should becareful with their E3 expectations. I've already seen some people say after this port machine Direct we had, that they have high expectations of all brand new games in Nintendo's E3 presentation.

Diablo 3 might get announced at E3 and that's an old game.
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To be fair, how many Wii U -> Switch ports were actually rumored, and how many of those rumors were actually accurate? So far I can think of Mario Kart as the only accurate one, with Splatoon, Xenoblade X and Smash being inaccurate ones. NSMBU is still up in the air.

There have been lots and lots of ports, but very few of the actual ports have been rumored like this (NSMBU +, whatever the + means).
 

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skittzo0413 said:
To be fair, how many Wii U -> Switch ports were actually rumored, and how many of those rumors were actually accurate? So far I can think of Mario Kart as the only accurate one, with Splatoon, Xenoblade X and Smash being inaccurate ones. NSMBU is still up in the air.

There have been lots and lots of ports, but very few of the actual ports have been rumored like this (NSMBU +, whatever the + means).
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The thing is Emily and Laura mentioned the other ports. This Ehoavash guy said this one. Atleast Emily and Laura communicate.

If they saw NSMBU footage it can only mean three things, it's Mario Maker 2 or a port of NSMBU or a NSMB. Everyone will absolutely love a Mario Maker 2 reveal at E3.

But like you said who knows how many of these were supposed to be ports, then Nintendo turned them into sequels. It could end up being NSMB Switch. This is my worst case scenario because Nintendo didn't evolve 2D Mario, but felt the need to continue the NSMB series with another game.
 
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Dark Cloud said:
The thing is Emily and Laura mentioned the other ports. This Ehoavash guy said this one. Atleast Emily and Laura communicate.

If they saw NSMBU footage it can only mean three things, it's Mario Maker 2 or a port of NSMBU or a NSMB. Everyone will absolutely love a Mario Maker 2 reveal at E3.

But like you said who knows how many of these were supposed to be ports, then Nintendo turned them into sequels. It could end up being NSMB Switch. This is my worst case scenario because Nintendo didn't evolve 2D Mario, but felt the need to continue the NSMB series with another game.
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My dream 2D Mario would actually be one where each world takes place in a different era of Mario, so that the game's art style changes dynamically. Or a different Nintendo theme for each world even, so maybe Mario has to travel through Hyrule and Zebes themed worlds for some reason. In a game like that you'd probably have levels that resemble NSMBU.

So that would be a way to evolve 2D Mario while still having the same aesthetic in the game at least.
 
Meelow

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Emily said:
Honestly, it's been a very, very long time since I last talked to Laura. Not since the NX days.

Nowadays I'm more focused on game development.
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Emily, are you in game development now? We've spoken to each other a good amount of times for years yet I feel I didn't know that haha.
 
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What are our odds that Retro misses another E3?

With Smash, and maybe 2D Mario and Pokemon, Nintendo already has a stacked holiday lineup.
 
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Zippo said:
The 2D Mario situation is very odd to me. The Pikmin and 2D Mario teams are the same, so it makes me wonder what exactly has been going on with that team. Pikmin 4 was said to be nearly done months before Mario Maker was even out, then it apparently fell off the list of priorities.
They're one of the biggest teams in Nintendo's EPD sector, they released 4 games in 12 months.
They haven't released a single thing in 3 years, what in the world have they been doing this entire time?
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EPD teams aren't really concrete. The 2D Mario/Pikmin was sort of like the Splatoon / Animal Crossing situation but the teams were quickly moved to other projects after they finished (Splatoon, Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing). Also, keep in mind that it seems like they have a new group manager as Kimura became a progress manager. If I had to guess, I think either Shigefumi Hino is the new group manager or Takashi Tezuka took direct control (fairly unlikely). Though, looking at staff, unless they are working on Labo or worked on 1-2 Switch, there is a small contingent of Pikmin 3 staff that haven't really worked on anything since 2013
 

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I would prefer if Nintendo took their time with Pikmin 4 and didn't rush it's development.

I say this as someone who considers Pikmin 3 as one of the Top 5 best games on Wii U.

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I think he meant that you and Laura communicate with us, whereas Ehoavash just drops that information and never once elaborates.
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Oh, I see. I somehow misinterpreted that sentence. My bad, Dark Cloud .

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Emily, are you in game development now? We've spoken to each other a good amount of times for years yet I feel I didn't know that haha.
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Yup, it's just a small 2D indie game so I don't want to overhype it. This will be the second game that I've worked on as a designer.
 
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Emily said:
I would prefer if Nintendo took their time with Pikmin 4 and didn't rush it's development.

I say this as someone who considers Pikmin 3 as one of the Top 5 best games on Wii U.



Oh, I see. I somehow misinterpreted that sentence. My bad, Dark Cloud .



Yup, it's just a small 2D indie game so I don't want to overhype it. This will be the second game that I've worked on as a designer.
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Oh right! Yes, I remember now that you worked on Armillo now! That's awesome that you're doing your dream! I'm so happy for you!
 

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Was pondering over this, will we actually get a full trailer for Smash? Can't imagine having this match up in the catalogue with the last two trailers.
 
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Looking at EAD/EPD as a whole since we don't know which "teams" have active staff at a given time.

Major/medium sized games released by EAD/EPD per year.


2011: Skyward Sword, Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7

2012: NSMBU, Nintendoland, NSMB2, Animal Crossing New Leaf

2013: Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, A Link Between Worlds

2014: Captain Toad, Mario Kart 8,

2015: Splatoon, Super Mario Maker

2016: StarFox Zero

2017: Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Arms, Splatoon 2.


EAD/EPD has tried to do three games per year, but I could see that slipping to 2 as game development gets more and more resource intensive.

Overall, my projections for EPD in the next few years are:

Realistic:

2018: Labo stuff
2019: Pikmin 4, Animal Crossing
2020: BotW2, Mario Odyssey 2.

Semi-optimistic:

2018: Labo stuff, 2D Zelda
2019: Pikmin 4, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker 2
2020: BotW2, Mario Odyssey 2, Wii Sports Switch.

Which seems fairly reasonable considering their output over the last few years.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
EAD/EPD has tried to do three games per year, but I could see that slipping to 2 as game development gets more and more resource intensive.
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I don't think so. Since Nintendo now has a single platform to work on now, EPD can get more games out. Not to mention, not every game needs to be a major AAA project. Personally, I think Nintendo should encourage its teams to experiment with smaller games in between the big stuff. Titles that can be completed within a year or less.
 

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I wonder when Nintendo will reveal Mario Kart Tour. If it's pretty much Mario Kart, it'll be the first Nintendo game on mobile I actually care about. I love Mario Kart and playing that on the phone is something I would definitely do.

I heard something about some racing games have it to where you run out of gas and then you have to pay for more lol. Like wth...
 
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I don't think so. Since Nintendo now has a single platform to work on now, EPD can get more games out. Not to mention, not every game needs to be a major AAA project. Personally, I think Nintendo should encourage its teams to experiment with smaller games in between the big stuff. Titles that can be completed within a year or less.
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They still work on the 3DS even if it is smaller titles or remasters.
 

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I wonder if Nintendo is interested in another Federation Force type game. That seems like the kinda format ripe for a GaaS transition and it would fit nicely into their library of games.

Either way, I really hope they have an exclusive multiplayer FPS in the works, somewhere.
 
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Closed to forever like they did the Gameboy before the DS killed it.
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Even then, Nintendo knew when to move on from the GBA once the DS took off. And now that the Switch is successful, Nintendo's already decreasing support for it. 2018 isn't looking to be the jam-packed year 2017 was for the 3DS, which is a good sign the console is slowly on its way out.
 
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TheMisterManGuy said:
Even then, Nintendo knew when to move on from the GBA once the DS took off. And now that the Switch is successful, Nintendo's already decreasing support for it. 2018 isn't looking to be the jam-packed year 2017 was for the 3DS, which is a good sign the console is slowly on its way out.
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3DS isn't their main focus, but they're hardly killing it like they did GBA. That and that 3DS still sells well despite the Switch since the Switch isn't a perfect replacement.
 
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