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Oldmario

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do we know if the Limited Edition Thimbleweed Park will be available through the LRG Store or FanGamer. I'm kinda confused about the wording there. Also, the limited edition will come with a normal sized Switch case inside that big box, right?

using it as an example from that one game a while ago with elijah wood, they had the stuff on both sites so you could either order it with your order of the game on LRG or seperately from either websites, i think eventually fangamer got stock of the game that was left over too

So if that's the case...why are Vita games priced the same as PS4 games? They do cost more to make (LRG has mentioned this), and yet they are priced the same. If I understand what you are saying, you would like Vita games to be priced higher since they cost more to make.

probably down to them being the same price on psn, is it the same price on the switch store? also i have some how never noticed that PS4 games and Vita games are equally priced on LRG
 
Oct 27, 2017
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using it as an example from that one game a while ago with elijah wood, they had the stuff on both sites so you could either order it with your order of the game on LRG or seperately from either websites, i think eventually fangamer got stock of the game that was left over too



probably down to them being the same price on psn, is it the same price on the switch store? also i have some how never noticed that PS4 games and Vita games are equally priced on LRG
Thimbelweed Park is $19.99 on both psn and the eshop.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Really not a fan of NLA's price and LE contents. Sucks since I was hyped for it ever since PSX. Not sure if I am going to bite or not. Yes, I know how LGR gets their prices.

This one comes with more stuff than some of our previous CE's, so what is it on this one that made you stop?
VN's need an artbook and soundtrack. The vita skin and stickers just make the LE feel cheap. I am not a fan of vita skins being in LEs.
 

Dinoegg_96

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Nov 26, 2017
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I'm not saying Vita games cost as much as Switch games. But, how would you feel if Limited Run Games announced that, in the future, Vita games would be priced higher than PS4 games? You probably wouldn't like that would you?
It depends on the reason. If they do it because it's a necessity, then it'd suck, but it is what it is. If they do it to appease some other fanbase, then I would be pissed.
 
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It depends on the reason. If they do it because it's a necessity, then it'd suck, but it is what it is. If they do it to appease some other fanbase, then I would be pissed.
Well, they probably could have done this since the start. They makes less money on the Vita games compared to the PS4 games (pressing a disc vs. manufacturing a cart). They could have made every Vita release more expensive than it's PS4 counterpart, but they didn't. It's about being respectful to your customers. They are simply extending that courtesy to their Switch customers.
 

dallow_bg

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Oct 28, 2017
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Well, they probably could have done this since the start. They makes less money on the Vita games compared to the PS4 games (pressing a disc vs. manufacturing a cart). They could have made every Vita release more expensive than it's PS4 counterpart, but they didn't. It's about being respectful to your customers. They are simply extending that courtesy to their Switch customers.

And screwing PS4 customers?
If Vita games should cost a little more ok, but that doesn't mean PS4 should match it "just because."

Raising the price on other users isn't going to make me feel better about buying Vita/Switch titles.
 

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I can understand were you are coming from, but price parity is the best way forward on this. Switch version being pricier is going to create a large amount of hate. LRG should sell all versions at the same price.
Yeah, this is an awful suggestion. Things should cost what they cost, not be artificially inflated to meet the price of another thing because it inherently costs more.

You made your bed... something something...
 

Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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Call the PS4 releases "developer's edition" when it's more expensive due to a Switch release, claim that it's helping the developers and offer a little bonus or something. I mean, people did pay extra for Mecho Tales of all games.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wow can't believe people are ok with other platforms paying MORE because of Switch price parity.

Is it really that unreasonable to want to be treated the same as customers on another platform?
I can twist that and say back yea you can be treated the same. Both platforms should pay the COST of their respective platforms.

I'd also like to know if Root Double is possible at all.

IIRC, RD physically on Vita is a no go because of the size of the game after it was translated. Surprised it didn't get ported to PS4 though.
 

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Is it really that unreasonable to want to be treated the same as customers on another platform?
It is absolutely unreasonable in the context that you suggest.

If the price of the game for someone's platform of choice is higher (due to production, publishing, brand name, or whatever), buyers for another platform should not be subjected to a higher price point... just because.

Switch owners have accepted the higher price point of games on that system. They know what they're getting into. Xbox and PlayStation owners don't owe them anything.
 
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LimitedRunGames

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Nov 2, 2017
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Going to nip this price drama in the bud.

Yes, one reason is that Switch carts costs more than PS4 discs but not more than Vita really, since Vita maxes out at 4GB. So price parity is something we wanted and our developers wanted.

The other reason is ESRB fees are starting to have a bigger impact now and people have been telling us for the longest time they would pay more if it was to help with the fee. So here we are...

We have to pay more ESRB fees if we do multiple platforms, so there is a real cost increase.
 

DreamDere

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Oct 27, 2017
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Going to nip this price drama in the bud.

Yes, one reason is that Switch carts costs more than PS4 discs but not more than Vita really, since Vita maxes out at 4GB. So price parity is something we wanted and our developers wanted.

The other reason is ESRB fees are starting to have a bigger impact now and people have been telling us for the longest time they would pay more if it was to help with the fee. So here we are...

We have to pay more ESRB fees if we do multiple platforms, so there is a real cost increase.

so if a switch game is less than 4gb . we won't get a price increase?
 
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Don't kill the Vita!
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Are all PS4 releases getting a price increase then? Is the fabled slowdown actually coming so the price increases don't impact the wallet as much? It all feels so bad.
 
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There we go. I fought against that train of thought when people brought it up here, now look where it got us.

Don't kill the Vita!

To quote you seriously now, I actually think there is a section of collectors for these games, the kind that buy multiple copies to hoard and to never open, who want them to be more expensive, and have no problem paying that extra 50 cents for shipping (that for me resulted in a worse/slower shipping experience) or that extra 5 bucks for smaller platforms or whatever. I have no proof of this obviously, but I've kind of always felt it in my gut the way some people were willing to keep increasing costs for whatever reasons (including the collectors editions at times that some people complained were lackluster for the price).

And, since I'm doing crappy armchair analysis, I might as well fully commit and say I think that's always been a schism here. Some want these to primarily collect, and some want these primarily to play and own on physical, and I think the price elasticity of the first group is higher to the point where these "nominal" increases, on shipping or per platform, isn't much of a burden to them.
 
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There we go. I fought against that train of thought when people brought it up here, now look where it got us.

Don't kill the Vita!
Same :(

To quote you seriously now, I actually think there is a section of collectors for these games, the kind that buy multiple copies to hoard and to never open, who want them to be more expensive, and have no problem paying that extra 50 cents for shipping (that for me resulted in a worse/slower shipping experience) or that extra 5 bucks for smaller platforms or whatever. I have no proof of this obviously, but I've kind of always felt it in my gut the way some people were willing to keep increasing costs for whatever reasons (including the collectors editions at times that some people complained were lackluster for the price).
You pretty much described a good chunk of the LGR fanbase. Hell, I used to be in that category until the Mutant Mudds quad release.
 

Oldmario

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Oct 25, 2017
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after all this discussion about the $5 increase all i can say is atleast most of you aren't outside the US because it isn't fun paying $15 shipping if we want a game shortly after it comes in or playing the game of building up some purchases n the hold limit before letting it all blow

this is the part where you all tell me you're european and not american and we all laugh about it
 

Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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after all this discussion about the $5 increase all i can say is atleast most of you aren't outside the US because it isn't fun paying $15 shipping if we want a game shortly after it comes in or playing the game of building up some purchases n the hold limit before letting it all blow

this is the part where you all tell me you're european and not american and we all laugh about it

I'm brazilian and I have to deal with customs on top of the $15 shipping, not to mention I can't trust the hold shipment service after all the trouble I went through last year. Yup, any penny counts for me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Going to nip this price drama in the bud.

Yes, one reason is that Switch carts costs more than PS4 discs but not more than Vita really, since Vita maxes out at 4GB. So price parity is something we wanted and our developers wanted.

The other reason is ESRB fees are starting to have a bigger impact now and people have been telling us for the longest time they would pay more if it was to help with the fee. So here we are...

We have to pay more ESRB fees if we do multiple platforms, so there is a real cost increase.
Thank you for clearing all this up. Looking forward to flow of Switch games.
 

Kyry

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow, I would probably have only bought a Switch exclusive every now and then. I never expected it to have an effect on the games (primarily PS4) that I do buy. In hindsight I guess that was careless of me. If it wasn't in price, then PS4 releases might have gotten screwed on allocation or some other resource that is finite.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm totally fine with $35 price point on Switch, I even suggested they price switch games at that price the other day on Twitter. Hell, I've been wondering how the hell Nicalis has been putting out their amazing releases at only $30.

If all of their Switch releases hit at $35 WITH a manual and full color interior art work, I'm sold. I'll be right back on the full run collector train that I recently got off of for Vita.
 
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Sagadego17

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm totally fine with $35 price point on Switch, I even suggested they price switch games at that price the other day on Twitter. Hell, I've been wondering how the hell Nicalis has been putting out their ama omg releases at only $30.

If all of their Switch releases hit at $35 WITH a manual and full color interior art work, I'm sold. I'll be right back on the full run collector train that I recently got off of for Vita.
wonderboy is 39.99 and so is code of princess ex
 

mattysaurus

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't mind $30/$35 for really good content. I probably won't buy every release at that price, though. I also kinda expect a nice manual and maybe a 2-sided cover insert too. Nicalis is the standard bearer for niche releases at this point.
 

Seafoam Gaming

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Nov 3, 2017
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I don't mind the $30/$35 for Switch games, as long as they're good ones. Will gladly do so for Golf Story and future exclusives, but for Thimbleweed I'll wait to hear the LE contents before I go buy a PS4 LE
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I don't mind the $30/$35 for Switch games, as long as they're good ones. Will gladly do so for Golf Story and future exclusives, but for Thimbleweed I'll wait to hear the LE contents before I go buy a PS4 LE
They already posted the contents: https://limitedrungames.com/products/limited-run-131-thimbleweed-park-ce-ps4

Contents:

  • Physical game for PlayStation 4
  • Full-color manual
  • Interior cover print
  • Newspaper
  • Foldable Menu Poster
  • Post-it Notes
  • PlayStation 4 Exclusive Stickers
  • PlayStation 4 Exclusive Tape Cassette
  • A classic LucasArts style big box - just like you remember!
 

Seafoam Gaming

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Tape Cassette? That's pretty darn old, what would even be on it? Hmm... In this case, I don't know if I'd jump on it since it wouldn't come with a CD and instead a worthless tape I don't know if I can even use, unless it has something cool on it. (which I'd get for the sake of owning.) Tapes are kinda like vinyl, in that they're old outdated things that still are used for whatever reason even though CDs and music downloads exist. (And the CDs are why I bought most of the prior LRG CEs in the past)

Though I will admit, Night Trap having a Cassette with the song on it was very fitting and amusing, which made that an exception as it fit the in-game universe. Maybe it's the same for TP even though the game's only a year old.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Tape Cassette? That's pretty darn old, what would even be on it? Hmm... In this case, I don't know if I'd jump on it since it wouldn't come with a CD and instead a worthless tape I don't know if I can even use, unless it has something cool on it. (which I'd get for the sake of owning.) Tapes are kinda like vinyl, in that they're old outdated things that still are used for whatever reason even though CDs and music downloads exist. (And the CDs are why I bought most of the prior LRG CEs in the past)

Though I will admit, Night Trap having a Cassette with the song on it was very fitting and amusing, which made that an exception as it fit the in-game universe. Maybe it's the same for TP even though the game's only a year old.

Yeah, cassette tapes don't appeal to me either. But if it wa a vinyl then I'd finally be tempted to go out and buy a record player. Thankfully the Switch LE features a phone book. I'm much more excited for that.
 

Lakeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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Going to nip this price drama in the bud.

Yes, one reason is that Switch carts costs more than PS4 discs but not more than Vita really, since Vita maxes out at 4GB. So price parity is something we wanted and our developers wanted.

The other reason is ESRB fees are starting to have a bigger impact now and people have been telling us for the longest time they would pay more if it was to help with the fee. So here we are...

We have to pay more ESRB fees if we do multiple platforms, so there is a real cost increase.

You are subsidizing Switch games by raising the prices for other things? Is that where we are now?

If I'm understanding then that's not putting an end to anything.
 

dallow_bg

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean, yeah you have to pay for another esrb rating, but you're selling another platform too.

You should have just raised the prices when the esrb rule came into place originally rather than state it wouldn't impact your prices when it obviously did.
 

Semoreh

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Oct 28, 2017
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No, facts are not feelings, in spite of what today's America may choose to believe. And the facts are Switch carts are expensive as hell. More so than even Vita's. Forcing a price parity upwards because you want, because it makes you feel better at the cost of everyone else, while ignoring the facts, that is what I would call unfair.

I'm surprised LRG would even try to pull that up to appease a minor loud faction of their userbase.

THANK YOU. Satonaka's reasoning is deeply flawed, and damn cringeworthy. The comparison with the Vita is idiotic since Vita's games have always been underpriced, not overpriced, and you can actually read in the recent pages that a few people were bracing themselves for a Vita price increase without too much grumble (not that I'm wishing it).

Guess you didn't read the other reason?

If I may, paying more ESRB doesn't explain the relative price increase of the PS4 version.
Let's say before ESRB a PS4 game would have been $25 and a Switch game $30.
After ESRB, a PS4 game should be $27.5 and a Switch game $32.5.
It makes absolutely no sense that PS4 players should absorb the whole ESRB price increase, especially since that very increase is caused by the addition of the Switch platform.
 

Clive

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Oct 25, 2017
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What, was it canceled? Or did it already happen and we missed it?
Not officially cancelled and no reason to believe an unofficial cancellation either. He wants LRG to announce the release window for a game that isn't ready to have its release window announced. That's all.

As for price parity, assuming the difference in the cost of manufacturing between PS4 and Switch is generally say a dollar then it's fine. If it actually is five bucks then I have to say I don't think it is fair that PS4 customers eat the entire cost. Without knowing what the difference in cost actually is I don't think we should judge the decision on price parity. If LRG feels the ESRB costs have gone up so much that it has a major impact on their business then a price increase across the board is absolutely a reasonable decision. It may also give a greater incentive for indie devs to publish via LRG if there is more money and less risk involved. More platforms does mean you can spread that ESRB cost across more sold copies though so it feels like there being more platforms involved has to bring the average cost per copy sold down compared to rating an exclusive.