E3 2018: Microsoft Readies Biggest E3 Showing Ever (MOD EDIT: READ OP)

Klobrille said:

I will never get these "buuuuh Halo, Gears, Forza. That's boring!" comments. Never. I feel like these comments only appear from people who don't actually care about the Xbox ecosystem at all and thus don't even own one - or never plan to do so.

These franchise are one of the reasons why I even own an Xbox. And so for many others. These three franchise are the main pillars for Xbox. They are pretty much always quality titles in budget, player counts and Metacritic. And moving forward these titles will be highlights for the Game Pass, pushing both that subscription as well as the GaaS approach, delivering more and more content updates for these titles.

Nintendo gets applause all the time they announce another Mario, Zelda or Pokemon. And I'm just as excited about the next Forza Horizon or Halo title. These games will be big - no matter what. If MS shows something Halo at this E3 - that's huge for me and a big part of the Xbox consumer base. So fuck yes, I hope we will see Halo/Gears/Forza at this E3. Again - I care for these games. I know I will get quality products with these pillars.

I agree they should have more on top of that. I think they know that, too. But having three huge franchise is not a bad thing like some people pretend it to be. It's a big plus.

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Even if you don't agree, surely it's not exactly a mystery why MS gets shit for the reliance on 3 ageing franchises? 2 of them aren't even made by the original developers any more and the third is in an increasingly niche genre.

It's an ultra conservative strategy and they deserve criticism for it.

Sony otoh have taken real risks the last 5 years letting so many studios create new ips. It left them pretty short in terms of exclusives early in the generation. But it's the brave, long-sighted thing to do, and they're really reaping the rewards now.

Let's hope MS has learnt from them.

Well, we'll see, they said the same with the "greatest xbox lineup ever"...

Wedzi said:

So I guess Sony is going to have to find a new venue then right? They've been having their E3 press conference at the Nokia/Microsoft Theater for as long as I can remember.

Good start for Xbox at E3 to say the least. Great way to have a large presence at the show, but to still distance yourself from Sony and Nintendo. I've always thought MS would eventually be the first to leave E3 for their own smaller convention but his allows them to be at the show, but have their own building dedicated only to Xbox. It really is a great move.

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Sony was at Shrine auditorium last year no?

As long as they show their vision for PC, I'm fine. But I would already be satisfied if they would show some gameplay from Age of Empires IV.

Saint-14 said:

This is weird, how can you say that when their last E3 was full of timed exclusives?

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Tell me more about these timed exclusive deals and the finer details of them?

Mostly just a bit of fun/excitement, but it looks like Kiki Wolfkill won't miss the old venue!



Was she on stage at all last year?

nib95 said:

The PS4 has more than double the market share of the Xbox One, in some countries nearly triple the market share. As a result, it's no surprise the PS4 would have more active fans on multiplatform forums, just as it wouldn't be a surprise the Switch did either, given the speed at which it has been gaining traction and has been such a phenomenal success. That said, I do think this forum is more Nintendo slanted if anything, not Sony slanted. Microsoft is going to have the least support from gamers on any multiplatform console forum either way, just by virtue of their platforms far less successful penetration of the market.

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More fans/active users from other platforms are no excuse to keep shitting on the thread.

Saint-14 said:

Seems like Nintendo is a better fit for you if you want "colorful" games because sure as hell MS isn't offering more than Sony in that regard.

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What I should say is that I like that alot of Xbox games don't take themselves to seriously, and for someone to suggest Xbox needs more PS type exclusives, like TLOU etc I don't think that's what Xbox gamers want.

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The PS4 has more than double the market share of the Xbox One, in some countries nearly triple the market share. As a result, it's no surprise the PS4 would have more active fans on multiplatform forums, just as it wouldn't be a surprise the Switch did either, given the speed at which it has been gaining traction and has been such a phenomenal success. That said, I do think this forum is more Nintendo slanted if anything, not Sony slanted. Microsoft is going to have the least support from gamers on any multiplatform console forum either way, just by virtue of their platforms far less successful penetration of the market.

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The ratio of trolls outweighs the number of owners no matter how you try to dress it up.

Burdmayn said:

Mostly just a bit of fun/excitement, but it looks like Kiki Wolfkill won't miss the old venue!



Was she on stage at all last year?

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No. I don't remember anyone from 343 showing up during the briefing.

She was there though. I met her and Stinkles at the FanFest event at the Galen Center.

So much speak of Nintendo and Sony . Shouldn't the conversation be about Xbox and what type of event they might give or games they might show?

TheRealBigRich said:

So much speak of Nintendo and Sony . Shouldn't the conversation be about Xbox and what type of event they might give or games they might show?

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Report for derailing/console warring and move on.

bsigg said:

No. I don't remember anyone from 343 showing up during the briefing.

She was there though. I met her and Stinkles at the FanFest event at the Galen Center.

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Ah... That makes sense then. Definitely not a tease per say, but at least confirmation that she'll be there in some capacity!

nib95 said:

The PS4 has more than double the market share of the Xbox One, in some countries nearly triple the market share. As a result, it's no surprise the PS4 would have more active fans on multiplatform forums, just as it wouldn't be a surprise the Switch did either, given the speed at which it has been gaining traction and has been such a phenomenal success. That said, I do think this forum is more Nintendo slanted if anything, not Sony slanted. Microsoft is going to have the least support from gamers on any multiplatform console forum either way, just by virtue of their platforms far less successful penetration of the market.

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I hate to tell ya, but "because they own a PS4" isn't really a valid reason for someone to go shit up Xbox One threads. If anything it's a reason not to click on them in the first place.

Gundam said:

My god my eyes cannot physically roll any harder. Glossing over the ridiculous "dudebro" comment, not everything has to be a cinematic, melodramatic third person story game about a sad and serious white lead, either.

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where did i say this?

Mushroomer25 said:

In the case of PUBG and Titanfall, the notion of 'those games were coming anyways' isn't accurate. Both games came from teams that didn't have the resources for two-platform development, and needed the assistance of a platform holder to get the game out on time. RoTR is more of a question mark, but it doesn't seem that dissimilar from the way Sony had to step in for Street Fighter V or (allegedly) DMC 5. It's just the nature of the modern console business.

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i play those dudebro games every year. CoD, BF, Destiny are probably the games i play the most. I did not mean it as an insult but i do think MS needs to diversify their portfolio. Why they let Sony have a monopoly on cinematic action adventure games is beyond me. Same goes for Sony. I have long criticized Sony for pigeonholing themselves into the action adventure genre and leaving behind great shooter franchises like Resistance, Warhawk, Killzone, Socom and MAG. Let alone investing in new ones.

I didnt mind the initial Titanfall exclusivity period. MS saved it and got a console timed exclusive for a few months. Then West Zempella announced it was coming to PS4 and MS went and paid to keep it off the PS4 forever. Same goes for Tomb Raider. The game was always coming out for both consoles. It had already been in dev for over a year and a half and then MS announces they bought the exclusive rights which turn out were only good for three months, but then MS forced them to honor a full year after Square Enix execs revealed the 3 month exclusivity period. It's pointless. the worst kind of paid exclusive after the timed exclusive DLC maps bullshit they started last gen with cod.

Bluehole CEO has already said this game will be on PS4. I dont see how MS has funded anything here. The game is making them billions. They dont need MS to fund anything. They arent from software or platinum games.

I just want to see Ori 2. I would assume it is going to be there?

Don't they say this every year?

nib95 said:

The PS4 has more than double the market share of the Xbox One, in some countries nearly triple the market share. As a result, it's no surprise the PS4 would have more active fans on multiplatform forums, just as it wouldn't be a surprise the Switch did either, given the speed at which it has been gaining traction and has been such a phenomenal success. That said, I do think this forum is more Nintendo slanted if anything, not Sony slanted. Microsoft is going to have the least support from gamers on any multiplatform console forum either way, just by virtue of their platforms far less successful penetration of the market.

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I don't think the issue is the level of "active fans", it's that Xbox threads turn to absolute shite nearly every time and mods always have to come in and clean up.

Success in the market can dictate the amount of "fans" they have, doesn't have any bearing on what those people do

Just guessing here, part of the space will be an E-arena with viewing seats for COD etc. Would take up a lot fo the space and house some of the E-events they already look to other partners to house.

Sounds good but seems more relevant for people attending the show in this person.

Bits N Pieces said:

Tell me more about these timed exclusive deals and the finer details of them?

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They sure as hell didn't just get them for free.

FracturedGoat said:

What I should say is that I like that alot of Xbox games don't take themselves to seriously, and for someone to suggest Xbox needs more PS type exclusives, like TLOU etc I don't think that's what Xbox gamers want.

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That's fair, I don't think you can speak about all Xbox gamers though, there really is nothing wrong with having more exclusives as long as they are quality projects.

Always hyped for E3, hopefully they'll back their claims :)

Saint-14 said:

They sure as hell didn't just get them for free.

That's fair, I don't think you can speak about all Xbox gamers though, there really is nothing wrong with having more exclusives as long as they are quality projects.

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So Sony paid for The Witness, Hellblade and others like that then? I didn't know that's how it worked that you must be paid to release on one platform before another.

nib95 said:

The PS4 has more than double the market share of the Xbox One, in some countries nearly triple the market share. As a result, it's no surprise the PS4 would have more active fans on multiplatform forums, just as it wouldn't be a surprise the Switch did either, given the speed at which it has been gaining traction and has been such a phenomenal success. That said, I do think this forum is more Nintendo slanted if anything, not Sony slanted. Microsoft is going to have the least support from gamers on any multiplatform console forum either way, just by virtue of their platforms far less successful penetration of the market.

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How does that explain last generation, when Xbox 360 was slightly ahead of Ps3?

Seems related to attendance more so than the games they could show

Bits N Pieces said:

So Sony paid for The Witness, Hellblade and others like that then? I didn't know that's how it worked that you must be paid to release on one platform before another.

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People still believe that Sony paid for Crash even if we have proof suggesting otherwise so yes, that's how it absolutly works apparently, also, paying doesn't always have to be in the form of money, they could be doing marketing for them for an example.

Lukas Taves said:

More fans/active users from other platforms are no excuse to keep shitting on the thread.

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Bits N Pieces said:

The ratio of trolls outweighs the number of owners no matter how you try to dress it up.

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AntiMacro said:

I hate to tell ya, but "because they own a PS4" isn't really a valid reason for someone to go shit up Xbox One threads. If anything it's a reason not to click on them in the first place.

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Steverulez said:

I don't think the issue is the level of "active fans", it's that Xbox threads turn to absolute shite nearly every time and mods always have to come in and clean up.

Success in the market can dictate the amount of "fans" they have, doesn't have any bearing on what those people do

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Two big complaints about the Xbox One are that there are a lack of exclusives, and as per this thread, Microsoft, and Phil Spencer in particular, generally over promise and under deliver, or say X year is going to be the best ever for exclusives etc, when generally it never is. Stating these things isn't so much shitting up the thread, but sharing grievances or simply stating the truth.

There is a reason Microsoft is far behind the other platforms, and it isn't some magical conspiracy, it is instead rooted in these complaints. A lot of Xbox fans seem to believe these genuine concerns, complaints and issues people routinely post, are simply trolling or whatever, but the truth is far from it.

Anyway, here's hoping this E3 really is their biggest ever, and that they really deliver the goods exclusives wise.

Pivotal E3 for Microsoft. Looking forward to see what they've learned.

Saint-14 said:

People still believe that Sony paid for Crash even if we have proof suggesting otherwise so yes, that's how it absolutly works apparently, also, paying doesn't always have to be in the form of money, they could be doing marketing for them for an example.

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Developers will choose which platforms and when to release on them for a number of reasons, I think the showing at E3 last year and the info we got today about what they're showing at GDC simply highlights the great work that ID@Xbox has been doing over thee last couple of years. I'll be amazed if any money exchanged hands for anything they have shown from the Indies or that Sony paid for The Witness, Hellblade or any other game that releases on PS4 first.

ccieag said:

RDR2 will be at the Sony conference, not MS

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Who are you talking to? wtf.

nib95 said:

Two big complaints about the Xbox One are that there are a lack of exclusives, and as per this thread, Microsoft, and Phil Spencer in particular, generally over promise and under deliver, or say X year is going to be the best ever for exclusives, when generally it never is. Stating these things isn't so much shitting up the thread, but sharing grievances or simply stating the truth.

There is a reason Microsoft is far behind the other platforms, and it isn't some magical conspiracy, it is instead rooted in these complaints. A lot of Xbox fans seem to believe these genuine concerns, complaints and issues people routinely post, are simply trolling or whatever, but the truth is far from it.

Anyway, here's hoping this E3 really is their biggest ever, and that they really deliver the goods exclusives wise.

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If the thread wasn't shit up then why is there a mod edit in the title? Think you're making an argument for something no one is arguing against

nib95 said:

Two big complaints about the Xbox One are that there are a lack of exclusives, and as per this thread, Microsoft, and Phil Spencer in particular, generally over promise and under deliver, or say X year is going to be the best ever for exclusives etc, when generally it never is. Stating these things isn't so much shitting up the thread, but sharing grievances or simply stating the truth.

There is a reason Microsoft is far behind the other platforms, and it isn't some magical conspiracy, it is instead rooted in these complaints. A lot of Xbox fans seem to believe these genuine concerns, complaints and issues people routinely post, are simply trolling or whatever, but the truth is far from it.

Anyway, here's hoping this E3 really is their biggest ever, and that they really deliver the goods exclusives wise.

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What people dont realize is that we want MS to be successful. I bought the X1 on day one and i am one of the biggest Sony fans. I want MS to release great games to keep Sony at their feet and that will ensure more great games for all of us. First party publishers dont have to hit profit margins like third party publishers do. They can take a hit or two on games that sell a few hundred thousand max but generate excitement and sell consoles to gamers who may not traditionally pick up their console.

If MS didnt invest in Halo, it wouldnt have forced Sony to invest in Resistance and Killzone. Imagine the PS3 lineup without Resistance, Killzone, Warhawk and MAG.

They might was well do a Ryse 2 to showcase Xbox One X and make the people who actually LIKE Ryse happy.

AntiMacro said:

Personally I really appreciated the 'practically exclusive' claim on games that will be appearing on other consoles. That really shows a high level of commitment to the cause.

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If I correctly understand the logic, if Microsoft releases a game on Xbox One and their own Windows 10 store then it is a multiplat. If a game is announced for PS4 and Xbox One then it is practically exclusive to PS4.

Kaiken said:

Pivotal E3 for Microsoft. Looking forward to see what they've learned.

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I agree, Microsoft must come out swinging like crazy. They risk being pushed to the shadows as Sony and Nintendo loom large over the gaming market

nib95 said:

Two big complaints about the Xbox One are that there are a lack of exclusives, and as per this thread, Microsoft, and Phil Spencer in particular, generally over promise and under deliver, or say X year is going to be the best ever for exclusives etc, when generally it never is. Stating these things isn't so much shitting up the thread, but sharing grievances or simply stating the truth.

There is a reason Microsoft is far behind the other platforms, and it isn't some magical conspiracy, it is instead rooted in these complaints. A lot of Xbox fans seem to believe these genuine concerns, complaints and issues people routinely post, are simply trolling or whatever, but the truth is far from it.

Anyway, here's hoping this E3 really is their biggest ever, and that they really deliver the goods exclusives wise.

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You still seem to be trying to dress up trolling and snide comments that infest Xbox threads as being acceptable? The main issue I see is people who don't own an Xbox, have no intention of ever owning one and in fact actively dislike the brand shit up threads with snide and trolling comments for no other reason than to shit up the thread.

Don't tell me, I've got a persecution complex lol.

Ishmae1 said:

I'm excited.

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thomasmahler said:

I can feel it too.

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:)

Bits N Pieces said:

You still seem to be trying to dress up trolling and snide comments that infest Xbox threads as being acceptable? The main issue I see is people who don't own an Xbox, have no intention of ever owning one and in fact actively dislike the brand shit up threads with snide and trolling comments for no other reason than to shit up the thread.

Don't tell me, I've got a persecution complex lol.

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How do you know the people making the comments (eg snide jokes) don't own an Xbox One or aren't or wouldn't be interested in getting one?

I really hope this isn't just some PR bullshit and they hit it out the fucking park this year. A strong Xbox brand is essential to the future of console gaming.

I made a quick dirty (an not very accurate) size comparison:

Bits N Pieces said:

Developers will choose which platforms and when to release on them for a number of reasons, I think the showing at E3 last year and the info we got today about what they're showing at GDC simply highlights the great work that ID@Xbox has been doing over thee last couple of years. I'll be amazed if any money exchanged hands for anything they have shown from the Indies or that Sony paid for The Witness, Hellblade or any other game that releases on PS4 first.

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The games announced today are different from most of the ones last E3, they mostly are small games, you don't simply don't release your game on a platform with double the player base day and date with the other one unless there is something preventing you.

Bits N Pieces said:

Don't tell me, I've got a persecution complex lol.

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Let me remind you that Sony has sold a lot of PS4s. Therefore trolling Xbox threads is expected and justified especially considering Phil Spencer said the 2015 Xbox line up was the best ever, which was an objectively false statement.

Bits N Pieces said:

You still seem to be trying to dress up trolling and snide comments that infest Xbox threads as being acceptable? The main issue I see is people who don't own an Xbox, have no intention of ever owning one and in fact actively dislike the brand shit up threads with snide and trolling comments for no other reason than to shit up the thread.

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Tell me more about how you know who owns an Xbox and who doesn't?

Saint-14 said:

The games announced today are different from most of the ones last E3, they mostly are small games, you don't simply don't release your game on a platform with double the player base day and date with the other one unless there is something preventing you.

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Like I said it could be for a number of reasons, I just think backdoor deals are the the last of them.

Fingers crossed for a Halo spin-off. Yeah, Halo/Gears/Forza is basically a meme at this point, but it's been a while. I need some Halo in my life.

Sounds like no matter what Xbox will get some criticism. If they come out and say greatest line up ever which is a opinion people will just say based on they opinion its a lie . I mean what are they really supposed to say . This will be a ok lineup for some and we hope people enjoy the show.

I opened up this post and my thinking is this sounds like it should be a decent show and I wonder what they will announce ...

Wolfman said:

Tell me more about how you know who owns an Xbox and who doesn't?

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Ill pm you a list of usernames ;)

As the mod stated, dont respond and report anything that derail the thread. The mod edit on the first page should be a warning.
This isn't a PS nor Nintendo thread.

Kasey said:

Let me remind you that Sony has sold a lot of PS4s. Therefore trolling Xbox threads is expected and justified especially considering Phil Spencer said the 2015 Xbox line up was the best ever, which was an objectively false statement.

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Mhmmmmm..... lol

Bits N Pieces said:

Like I said it could be for a number of reasons, I just think backdoor deals are the the last of them.

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I won't say you're wrong, you are free to believe what you want since we don't have much info about them.