Exactly, and I don't even think you could claim those are particularly loaded questions. From a player's perspective, I haven't encountered an intelligible case for why cross play (implemented by the devs who want it) would be bad.
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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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Exactly, and I don't even think you could claim those are particularly loaded questions. From a player's perspective, I haven't encountered an intelligible case for why cross play (implemented by the devs who want it) would be bad.
Most gamers don't even think about having crossplay as a possibility. I asked you some questions so you can take yourself as an example of what gamers want. When you can answer them.
Do you honestly honestly believe that Phil replying to a question with 'Me 2' was him 'stirring up fanboy shit' and 'starting a Twitter war'. Honestly?
Maybe don't label people so lightly with a very serious mental issue brought upon by huge amounts of mental anguish and usually torture to try to belittle those who don't agree with your view....
You wanna comment on the quality of person but you are throwing around a label that you obviously know nothing about... you and the others who mention "Stockholm Syndrome" should sincerely take stock of your choice because to so easily claim that is gross to people who have been through it for real. To belittle it to some forum insult that makes no sense to begin with...
Being a fanboy =\= Stockholm syndrome have some respect and common decency.
The only negative to cross-play would be pitting kb/m against controllers in FPS games but again that is up to the developers, not the platform holders, and any game that couldn't balance those wouldn't have cross-play between the control inputs in competitive modes.
The other one would be RTS games, which basically don't exist on console so that's not even a problem.
But everything else? No reason I can see for gamers to claim cross-play is anything other than a benefit to all of us.
The other one would be RTS games, which basically don't exist on console so that's not even a problem.
But everything else? No reason I can see for gamers to claim cross-play is anything other than a benefit to all of us.
The thing is not all cross play combines the pool. Epic for example had Paragon cross play with a singular combined pool, and Fortnite cross play with separate pools. If you had no outside friends in the living pools to always invite you it wouldn't help much (In Fortnite was it one way only or could invites go any way. PC players joining mobile servers for example).
I understand that. But I think it's a matter of baby steps. That eventually crossplay might evolve into including every pool of players.
People always think about crossplay in terms of Call of Duty or Fortnite peak population in America. Crossplay would be most beneficial to smaller/older games, it would be hugely beneficial in Oceania markets, and it would be beneficial to large markets like the US at off hours (during the school/work day or during early morning hours. It's not just about finding people to play with. It's about creating quality matches with similarly skilled players. Crossplay barriers are a huge detriment to that which is why developers want them removed.
Then why buy it? Why leverage an IP that's costly with the industry moving away from that style of game?
Adding crossplay does nothing for their bottom line while giving Xbox's player base a shot in the arm. Good for players, yes. But not necessarily good for Sony. That's why they're not doing it. Microsoft knows this and they know that the sympathetic side of the argument favors them and are leveraging that publicly. It's great for them if Sony doesn't, It's great for them if Sony does.
Some people are accusing me of being some Sony shill and I'm not. I'm just pointing out that businesses will do what favors the business 99 times out of 100. Microsoft did it to benefit Microsoft at the expense of Playstation, and Sony is doing it now. Cross-play benefits a small percentage of their player base, and they just see this as not worth the effort to give the Xbox a leg up. It doesn't make them any more evil or anti-consumer than they already were. I'm not applauding it or apologizing for it - I'm just saying I can see why they wouldn't want to be friendly with Microsoft. And I can also see why Microsoft would want to play that up for bonus points to the gaming public.
But neither decision is being made for or against 'the players'. They are both to help boost or to maintain the bottom line, both financially and perceptually. Villainizing or lionizing for this is the definition of console warz or flag bearing.
Do you know what even more funny? It's not even full cross-play, it's basically partial cross-play.
The answer to your questions is that I'm indifferent to the whole thing. Ive never bought a console with the expectation of crossplay. Great if we get it but I didn't care if we don't. I understand why Sony is doing what they're doing and I don't believe I'm entitled to crossplay. If MS, or whomever, thinks is is the next big thing they should be fighting for it with more than a few lazy tweets. Remember when xbox had good commercials. I have no doubt they could, and should, put together something that would do the trick. Maybe E3 will be a good place to get everyone on their side and put some real pressure on Sony. Right now, there doesn't seen to be much pressure at all.
Agreed, at least Sony should give a decent and honest reason for not allowing crossplay with the other closed platforms other than the shitty « We're protecting the children ».
I'm sure there's more than the « leading platform » reason also, maybe they don't want to share tech or they're afraid it could breach security, who knows... I'm really no network expert so there could be plenty of good reasons for not allowing it.
Do you think he did that not knowing it would cause this very discussion? It is savvy and you gotta respect that. This wasn't a sentiment made in a vacuum - it was an indictment of Sony's policy and worked to great effect. Exactly what he should be doing for his company.
Now let's try to see what you think as a gamer.
(1) [Yes/No] "I would like to be able to play online games with friends, regardless of platform."
(2) [Yes/No] "I would like to be able to retain my play progress, regardless of platform."
(3) [Yes/No] "I would like my DLC purchases to carry over, regardless of platform."
(4) [Yes/No] "I would like more active players in online games that otherwise would have smaller communities."
Look at these threads. He's tweeted about it before too. It's lazy. If he wants it so badly, he should be fighting harder. Like I said, E3 would be a good place.
I don't Care about crossplay because i don't have friends with a Xbox. I understand why Sony don' t want give their base to Ms. And understand ms drama with this situation and small base.
What i don't understand is people fighting for that and defending one or another Company. Is just businnes and in any platform Will already have millions of players to play.
Just more drama.
What i don't understand is people fighting for that and defending one or another Company. Is just businnes and in any platform Will already have millions of players to play.
Just more drama.
first we had #MeToo now we have #Me2..
okat bad joke..
I just wish Sony would comment on this matter in one way or another.. not "for the children".. but a real comment.. I know it isn't going to happen, because they probably would love to make even more money from the PS4.
okat bad joke..
I just wish Sony would comment on this matter in one way or another.. not "for the children".. but a real comment.. I know it isn't going to happen, because they probably would love to make even more money from the PS4.
So you basically said that you wouldn't say no which means yes. Let's imagine a situation where you have a PS4 and you have a friend that has an Xbox, you are trying to play online together a game you both like but it's not possible, if right there someone ask you if you would like to have the crossplay option, you will not say "whatever", You will say YES! I want to have the option to play with my friend.
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I can make plenty of list of things I want. And as a consumer, I am within my rights to want them. But no company is under obligation to fill out my wish list. I as the consumer are at their whim, and if I don't like it, I don't consume.
Well, in this thread there are people saying there are plenty of people who own both a PS4 and Xbox. So in response to the statement made by another poster in this thread: Sony has absolutely nothing to lose by allowing cross play, I'd argue Sony could potentially lose sales to their competitor where player population size is a strong factor of which platform to buy the game.
They are more strict with things like mods in Fallout/Skyrim.
They don't even allow PS4Pro to complete with higher FPS than PS4 players, why would they allow 120+ FPS PC players in the mix?
These things don't happen at the push of a button and they have little reason to invest time and energy until people stop buying consoles because of it.
And since you can see the future, you already know you wont have friends with an Xbox or any other console you don't have. Gotcha.
What about for smaller and/or older titles? Clearly it really isn't an issue for Fortnite currently but what about games that launched 2-3 years ago across PC, PS4 and XBO? Crossplay would allow devs to unify their playerbase and keep games alive.
Considering MS was being blamed for the lack of cross play and getting flak for the lack of Fortnite Xbox cross-play just the day before, it makes sense that he wants to be absolutely clear on the stance of Xbox and his own views.
I'm not going to fault someone for having the sack to be upfront when people want him to be upfront on the issue.
If people get butthurt that it might put pressure on Sony, that's just not a sentiment i can't relate to or care about at all.
Sooooo...you want cross-play but you're going to devote time to deflecting and defending Sony's refusal to allow cross-play because...?
Twitter user: "I want a thing"
Phil Spencer on Twitter: "Me 2"
Buckley on Resetera: "Phil, stop starting Twitter wars. If you want it so bad then start that fight at E3, don't reply to users who Tweet at you on Twitter!"
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Cool, I'm seeing a trend here. The people that are defending Sony's position actually want crossplay. Since we all want it, we should go straight to the "Is it a reasonable request" discussion. I'm saying yes it is, even for Sony in the long run. If I were Sony I would be thinking long and hard about how a situation where Xbox, Switch, Mobile and PC are combining into a big online player would affect me as a company.
Because MS disagreed with Epic's assesment and thought they could extract value. Looking at the sales of Gears 4, it appears Epic had a point.
Xbox's player base doesn't need a shot in the arm. Fortnight is the biggest game on Xbox live, 100 person lobbies are filled in seconds. The general benefit goes squarely to 1) players who have friends on different platforms. 2) players who want to improved matchmaking pools 3) MP developers who want to lengthen the life of their games. These are benefits that would be felt by Sony customers, along with everyone else. And this would undoubtly convert into addition software and subscription sales for Sony. This is a classic example of a rising tide raising all ships- and Sony is blocking industry progress purely out of spite, not out of wise corporate positioning.
This is just false. Crossplay benefits everyone. Even if all your friends play on PS4 and don't give a shit about crossplay, it would benefit you. crossplay would offer improved matchmaking. It would lengthen the lifespan of your favorite games. This would allow more more MP games to succeed, More opportunities for post launch content. Everyone wins, including Sony.
Who cares who the decision is being made for? All we should care about is who the decision benefits. Sony's decision benefits no one except perhaps Sony- and even that questionable.
Don't be too naive, console war or not we know exactly the kind of impact these tweets can have on the gaming community and Spencer is no rookie nor intern at Microsoft, he's one of the biggest exec out there.
It's probably for the good cause and « for the gamers » but it's also kind of a jab at Sony, can't deny it, hence the multiple replies, the console war resurgence etc etc...
No. I'm not defending them. If cross-play happened tomorrow, it wouldn't effect me, but I'd be happy for the ones it did effect. I'm saying that Sony and Microsoft are no more or less anti-consumer than a day ago or a week ago or a year ago. They are both taking their stances solely to benefit them as a company rather than you as a gamer. That's literally all I'm saying.
LOL! You noticed the same thing I did. He could have answered "NO, I DON'T WANT CROSSPLAY, but he didn't.
Your survey should have Yes/No/Don't Care otherwise it's biased. Actually, All my friends bought PS4s. Iwas the only on who had an XBOX and I quickly gave it away. It shouldnt be to hard to see that a lot of people don't care. I definitely see why some do care but I think both companies have done a poor job arguing why they want/don't want crossplay
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Because ends don't justify means in every case. How much improvement will I see for 100 person lobbies being filled in seconds? Not much for me personally, and probably true for the vast majority of PSN players. So it's not a sore point for them.
I'm not defending the stance - but that doesn't mean it's not why they are doing it. Sony's 'for the kids' line was horseshit and they should be ridiculed as much as they are. if they were just upfront about their stance, these discussions wouldn't be as prolific - at least in my opinion.
Again, Sony is not doing this out of spite and Microsoft is not doing this out of altruism - you're attributing human traits to a company - that's exactly what fuels console warz.
If crossplay was enabled, Why would someone who has a PS4 and and Xbox choose the Xbox version?
And why would a loss sale to this person be worse than a loss sale to a person who has a PC and a PS4? Or a person who now has to buy an Xbox in addition to his PS4 so that he can play with his friends?
It seems to me that the best way to keep people in the ecosystem is to make sure that your ecosystem has the most fully featured version of every game, not by arbitrarily limiting its potential.
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And yet we have a new thread every week full of console war crap because of stuff people say in less than 300 characters. I'm not saying he should stop. I'm saying it's lazy and he would be better off actually educating consumers about the importance of crossplay if he feels it's a great idea.
I don't see why that is a problem. You are actively posting in a thread about a major game with crossplay and the posibilites it might enable.... I'm challenging you to answer the question.
If someone ask you about having the option of having crossplay what would you say?
A) Yes
B) No
If you think you're in a 'console war' the best way to win is to not take part.
Meanwhile everyone else can rationally discuss how sometimes platform holders make good choices and sometimes platform holders make poor choices.
And this is especially true in Minecrafts case. Its constantly being brought up that Sony has the strong playerbase and MS has the weak playerbase when that simply isnt the case with Minecraft. Microsoft enabling crossplay for Minecraft with iOS, PC, NS, VR and more means Sonys playerbase is terrible in comparison. A truly inferior version compared to the rest of the platforms.
Why are you here if you don't care
If you don't are about the subject of cross-play, why are you arguing in a thread on that topic?
I mean... you care enough to post more than 30 times in this thread.
This is simple though...
The Answer as a gamer is yes it should always be yes...
But the answer as someone from the outside looking in as an educated person with common sense just laughs at the notion of question 2 or 3 ever being possible because they won't be because neither Xbox or Sony would let you use DLC purchased on another platform to work because that literally is money out of their respective pockets.
Even Epic cannot allow this with crossprogression on PC/PS4 everything earned in game carries over but any V-Bucks you purchase are completely locked to the platform you purchase it in...
For example if I have 1500 V-Bucks on PS4 but I'm out of my house and hypothetically the Mobile version is out and crossplay and cross-progression are fully enabled. There a cosmetic item I wanna buy that's only on sale for an hour usually it's 3000 V-Bucks but for an hour it's 1500! Great awesome I'm at work, but I have the mobile app you'd not be able to use your purchased V-Bucks on mobile that were purchased on PSN you'd have to either buy V-Bucks from Mobile store, or grind to earn them... you could go home and buy the item and then play with it on mobile, PC what have you but it's still a completely closed infrastructure purchase wise when it comes to the battle passes and microtrans.
And this is whole platform wide no platform holder is gonna give up their own platforms sales to allow cross-DLC
I don't care about this thing.
I care so little about this topic that I'm going to keep telling you how much I don't care.
PLEASE LISTEN TO ME WHEN I TELL YOU I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS THING.
I care so little about this topic that I'm going to keep telling you how much I don't care.
PLEASE LISTEN TO ME WHEN I TELL YOU I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS THING.
You sure spend a lot of time showing you don't care. Let me recycle an old post since you didn't answer.
"Let's imagine a situation where you have a PS4 and you have a friend that has an Xbox, you are trying to play online together a game you both like but it's not possible to play toguether, if right there someone ask you if you would like to have the crossplay option, you will not say "whatever or I don't care", You will say YES! I want to have the option to play with my friend."
I'm just answering your question. You said MS bought Gears to keep it away from sony. I told you that was false: epic said they didn't want it because it was too expensive and wouldn't do well in the market. So they Sold it. Then You asked why MS would buy such , and I told you that they, obviously, had a different assessment. Do you think MS would spend $100million to buy a franchise just to keep it from Sony, if they agreed that was too expensive and the market wouldn't respond?... That's an incredibly stupid conspiracy theory.
Who cares about you personally?
Anyway, those 100people in your lobby would be more likely to have a better connection to you. Also, Anyone on PSN who has friends on XBL will see a benefit. Also, there are other games that don't have 100 person lobbies filling in seconds, that would benefit as well.
Yes you are. Sony being upfront about it wouldn't change the fact that they are on the wrong side.
[/quote]Again, Sony is not doing this out of spite and Microsoft is not doing this out of altruism - you're attributing human traits to a company - that's exactly what fuels console warz.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, it really doesn't matter why either party is doing what they are doing. If they aren't doing what's best for me, and Best for the industry as a whole, then They should be brought to the carpet.
Ha! I will spend all the necessary time in the world to show you how much I don't care.
This crossplay stuff is actually quite confusing right now..
according to the internet, these titles are all crossplay..
Super Dungeon Bros:
PS4 - Steam - Mac
Xbox - W10
Riptide GP Renegade
Switch - Steam
Xbox - W10
Raiders of the Broken Planet:
PS4 - Steam
Xbox - W10
3 different games from 3 different developers.. and all 3 games have (according to the internet) 2 different platform pools when it comes to Crossplay.
it would be easier if everyone pools together... but it looks like all platform holders have a lot of work to do here.
according to the internet, these titles are all crossplay..
Super Dungeon Bros:
PS4 - Steam - Mac
Xbox - W10
Riptide GP Renegade
Switch - Steam
Xbox - W10
Raiders of the Broken Planet:
PS4 - Steam
Xbox - W10
3 different games from 3 different developers.. and all 3 games have (according to the internet) 2 different platform pools when it comes to Crossplay.
it would be easier if everyone pools together... but it looks like all platform holders have a lot of work to do here.
Read my posts. I believe that's the biggest issue right now, Most people don't care. If MS or other devs and publishers want crossplay and think it's the future of gaming the onus is on them to show the general public why. Right now, Sony has given poor excuses for not allowing it and MS hasn't done much to show consumers why it's a feature we should all be clamouring for. I thought we were past the echo chamber bs.