How is it a smart PR move?
Edit- oh you mean by MS? How is it NOT pro-consumer if that is the case??
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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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How is it a smart PR move?
Edit- oh you mean by MS? How is it NOT pro-consumer if that is the case??
Yup it's amazing that some would actively argue against this being done.
It was stupid when MS was against it last gen and it's stupid with Sony now. Unfortunately now is the time more of the industry is behind cross platform play. So there would be more opportunities for gamers to benefit from this shift.
Maybe we'll see Sony be willing to play nice next generation.
Who cares about the shareholders? I'm trying to show that you can't say policies not in favour of consumers are OK and use "business competitiveness" as a justification unless you apply it across the board. Its a selective argument. I'm sure MS' shareholders would prefer MS to charge for Back Compat like Sony do with PS Now. But MS aren't doing that.
Nice try, but there is no comparison here. I could explain to you why but that would drag us further off topic so instead I will leave you to stare at your screen and think really really hard why that is the case. Good luck.
The part of saying " We WOULD, but Sony won't :("
It's good PR. It's smart. ESPECIALLY if they know Sony definitely won't. It's a big middle finger to Sony. That's GREAT pr, especially with E3 coming up. I don't hate them for that at all.
Of course its not a like for like situation but it's a policy that is detrimental to gamers and developers, just like the parity clause. The fact that you are siding with the corporation over gamers and content creators means I'm bowing out of this convo as it's like talking to a brick wall. Enjoy the thread:)
The graph below shows how the term "Crossplay" is growing in popularity. Google search trends can be used to investigate how the awareness for something is growing. As the amount of PC, Switch, mobile and Xbox crossplay games grows, so will the questions about why is not possible with Playstation.
You literally said that because I can't play something, I should stop crying and buy the other console - in a thread where people are complaining they can't play with people on another console. You really can't see that?
What the fuck are you trying to do to this thread? Why do you think Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo try to get exclusives? They're making most of their money off console sales and online subscriptions. The more exclusives they have, the more likely people are going to buy their console over their competitor's console.
It's literally no different from all the exclusives Sony has.
By the way, PC gaming exists, and despite the Microsoft Store being ass, we'd like to thank Microsoft for at least acknowledging we exist by releasing their exclusives on our platform as well.
Same Phill "Hypocritical" spencer again
Not seeing anything hypocritical there.
1) DLC
2) "Doesn't like"
Its a shitty situation, but I guess it basically (and most crudely, but accurately) comes to:
Epic: we want everyone to enjoy our game and play together (because the more people playing together, means more $$$ for us)
Xbox: Right on! (my guess is they probably were being trolled initially by Epic due to the current semi-exclusive PUBG affiliation for the console version, resulting with them being left out of the initial cross-play news for Fortnite. But... they quickly kissed, made up, and now they are just happy to not be the odd man out for the next biggest gaming sensation since Fortnight is starting to eclipse their competition (the "horse" they initially backed), and now they can't afford to not be fully "in" for this game in a gaming landscape where they are starting to look in the face of possibly being third place in a three console race in terms of sales if Nintendo keeps their momentum.. Therefore, our experience needs to be as accommodating to attract as many users as possible to use our ecosystem.)
Meanwhile in PS4 land: Fuck all of you! We are number one and there is more than double of us than Xbox bros, and there is no reason to for us to accommodate them and given them a better experience (by allowing them the opportunity to group up with our larger userbase. There are no shortage of people for PS4 gamers to play with between our audience, PC, and mobile, and our audience NOT currently split between two battle royal games, so our people are arguably more invested and dedicated to THIS game than the other platform users.
Epic: we want everyone to enjoy our game and play together (because the more people playing together, means more $$$ for us)
Xbox: Right on! (my guess is they probably were being trolled initially by Epic due to the current semi-exclusive PUBG affiliation for the console version, resulting with them being left out of the initial cross-play news for Fortnite. But... they quickly kissed, made up, and now they are just happy to not be the odd man out for the next biggest gaming sensation since Fortnight is starting to eclipse their competition (the "horse" they initially backed), and now they can't afford to not be fully "in" for this game in a gaming landscape where they are starting to look in the face of possibly being third place in a three console race in terms of sales if Nintendo keeps their momentum.. Therefore, our experience needs to be as accommodating to attract as many users as possible to use our ecosystem.)
Meanwhile in PS4 land: Fuck all of you! We are number one and there is more than double of us than Xbox bros, and there is no reason to for us to accommodate them and given them a better experience (by allowing them the opportunity to group up with our larger userbase. There are no shortage of people for PS4 gamers to play with between our audience, PC, and mobile, and our audience NOT currently split between two battle royal games, so our people are arguably more invested and dedicated to THIS game than the other platform users.
But it is possible with PS4, it's been possible for years. I actually still play cross play with PS4 games. What the heck is going on? Feel like I'm Michael Scott in that one of those gifs.The graph below shows how the term "Crossplay" is growing in popularity. Google search trends can be used to investigate how the awareness for something is growing. As the amount of PC, Switch, mobile and Xbox crossplay games grows, so will the questions about why is not possible with Playstation.
I doubt Sony will stop allowing cross play with things not Xbox. It's unclear how they feel about Nintendo, but nintendo doesn't usually have games that would be cross play with PS. I wish SE would bring Dragon Quest Online over so I could get my Final Fantasy XI gameplay style fix (Disappointed with FFXIV), and to see if it would be cross play with nintendo here. Is it actually cross play even? People said it is but I just don't know for sure.
when someone in this thread gives a reason why Sony won't do it, the reply is "Don't think about the company"
yet we have several people saying that the best reason for crossplay, is that some smaller games having a bigger player pool, and that is better for the company behind the game.. I ehhh.. nah..
let´s just be completely honest here... this is a simple console war thread.. ;o)
yet we have several people saying that the best reason for crossplay, is that some smaller games having a bigger player pool, and that is better for the company behind the game.. I ehhh.. nah..
let´s just be completely honest here... this is a simple console war thread.. ;o)
Same Phill "Hypocritical" spencer again
It is completely offtopic. But a complete game is not the same as DLC.
And this is what I truly want to see it for....but some of the games people are fighting for, really aren't suffering from any lack of engagement or userbases...and are using the smaller devs as a scapegoat. I just think that right now, console to console is dragging, however Crossplay is doing fine. Gaming isn't on the verge of collapsing because Sony isn't playing nice. They can still make their own decisions while they are in the position too. Maybe they'll change maybe they won't...but I don't think it's completely anti-consumer. Maybe to Xbox users, but not all gaming users in general.
If I were to guess, it's because Microsoft's stance isn't consistent around all of their business. It's pro consumer for console gamers, but not pro consumer for PC gamers...so it comes off a bit PR ish..
YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. And everyone else in here is getting breathless about why Sony doesn't want to play ball with their competitor. It's commonly held that all these companies are fighting for their slice of the pie, not sharing it, lol. Not sure why people are shocked is all.
Same Phill "Hypocritical" spencer again
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Can we stop with the bullshit deflection posts?
If not then I'll contribute:
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It depends on how much weight you assign to those consumer friendly initiative. A lot of people don't care about all the extras. Most buy a console for it's game library. Until, the mass public or some huge publishers start to care about crossplay, i don't see it happening this gen. Hopefully next gen it will be implemented better but no one bought their current console with the expectation of this feature.
But it does affect how people view the company. This is honesty a new problem, and last gen this wasn't such a issue, but now that games are even more online centric, It's just plain silly to keep people playing with each other on the WORLD WIDE WEB, just because they happen to own a different brand of plastic.
Nobody is asking for Sony & partners exclusives to go multiplat, they are however asking If they could play with all of their friends regardless of hardware IF that is a possibility within the game. It's not opening floodgates or anything, Infact this thing reminds me of Japan as a culture and country, very excluded.
I am quite sure that Microsoft would bring gamepass to other platforms given the chance. Just like they are doing with windows etc.
It is a more global and connected world we live in, why then hide yourself behind some ridiculous door.
I like to speculate late in threads.
Not just state what I want
So let's break it down
I want cross play. It helps games with smaller communities, it's great especially if DLC and progression is cross as well.
In terms of Sony, I don't think it helps them. People may ask why should I care but hear me out. People buy systems and one of the reasons is exclusives the other big reason is to play with their friends. And Sony has the bigger community and they have the advantage. Although I would like cross play and I'm all for it I won't be going into crazy outrage mode like some posters here are reacting as it isn't some lootbox outrage scenario here. Sony didn't sell PS4 stating you can play Xbox players, no one has been misled. It would be nice if they allow it and people should direct this to Sony. But if they refuse to do it you either buy a Xbox but start getting outraged makes you look like a entitled idiot in my opinion.
As for Microsoft I don't think they are doing it for the good of the gamers. They are a business too, we can see they continue to have anti consumer policies like charging online fee for F2P games.
All in all yes we want cross online who would not. This thread is to discuss the pros and cons for online play for consumers, publishers, Sony, MS and etc. People trying to discuss these things should not be ridiculed by outraged gamers who want to force Sony to change policy that they have never advertised when Sony sold the PS4.
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I don't know about outside the UK. But here I know many gamers not too fussed about exclusives. It's all about FIFA, GTA, COD, Fortnite when it comes to gaming for the mainstream. And guess what people buy PS4 as it's popular and want to play with their friends. To be outraged that Sony don't give up one of the main selling points of the PS4 is rather ridiculous.
Not just state what I want
So let's break it down
I want cross play. It helps games with smaller communities, it's great especially if DLC and progression is cross as well.
In terms of Sony, I don't think it helps them. People may ask why should I care but hear me out. People buy systems and one of the reasons is exclusives the other big reason is to play with their friends. And Sony has the bigger community and they have the advantage. Although I would like cross play and I'm all for it I won't be going into crazy outrage mode like some posters here are reacting as it isn't some lootbox outrage scenario here. Sony didn't sell PS4 stating you can play Xbox players, no one has been misled. It would be nice if they allow it and people should direct this to Sony. But if they refuse to do it you either buy a Xbox but start getting outraged makes you look like a entitled idiot in my opinion.
As for Microsoft I don't think they are doing it for the good of the gamers. They are a business too, we can see they continue to have anti consumer policies like charging online fee for F2P games.
All in all yes we want cross online who would not. This thread is to discuss the pros and cons for online play for consumers, publishers, Sony, MS and etc. People trying to discuss these things should not be ridiculed by outraged gamers who want to force Sony to change policy that they have never advertised when Sony sold the PS4.
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I don't know about outside the UK. But here I know many gamers not too fussed about exclusives. It's all about FIFA, GTA, COD, Fortnite when it comes to gaming for the mainstream. And guess what people buy PS4 as it's popular and want to play with their friends. To be outraged that Sony don't give up one of the main selling points of the PS4 is rather ridiculous.
You can boil my words down all you like so it fits your agenda but your previous posts on this thread has made your bias for Sony and against Microsoft very clear. I'm not wasting my time anymore with them.
Here's an idea, maybe contribute to the thread instead of shitposting.
Way to mix things up completely.
The point is as gamers crossplay is good for us. There is also a benefit to smaller games in terms of expanding their player pools and keeping them alive longer which is ALSO good for gamers who like those games too.
Nobody should really care if Sony lose the odd sale, and actually I believe it may actually gain them some sales.
Because nobody is asking for Uncharted on Xbox or Gears of War on PlayStation.
All we want is cross-play for third party games that already exist on both platforms, cross-play which could be turned on basically overnight with effectively flicking a switch.
If you're in the US and Europe, you're good.
If you're in Africa, the Middle East, Australia...not so much.
If you play smaller or older games which don't have thriving communities, not so much.
Cross-play benefits gamers AND game devs.
Yes, but the difference in architecture has considerably narrowed, and the need and abundance for/ of globalization has considerably increased. When you have massive games like Fortnite now giving the middle finger to closed-garden approach, there's really no excuse. MS's heralding and acceptance of cross-platform—given, they're the underdog/ underperformer, so they've nothing to lose—will only accelerate this change.
What people 'expect' from PS5/ Xbox Next will be markedly different from what they expected when this Gen started.
It's literally what you said. Like to the word. I even quoted you for posterity. You're the only one that told me which console to buy, lol.
This I get, but how is Micrsoft's presence in these areas? Enough to make a difference? Not trolling, legitimately asking.
Say one thing, do another
yes, a complete game is much, much worse.
No it doesn't. I don't care that much about BC or play anywhere. But they're good for others.
I do care about cross play and EA access as they are both things I might use every so often.
A feature like cross-play hurts nobody. If you don't care about it you are entirely unaffected. Which is why everyone should support it. Even if you'll never ever party up with someone on another console.
I don't think architecture was ever a problem. PS2 and PC made it work and I imagine that was a huge difference in architecture. PS3 with it's cell craziness made it work often, Epic even introduced mods with Unreal Tournament 3, Valve did things with Portal 2 (was it mods? There was cross play as well as steam integration too right?).
Looked it up, it was Steamworks, cross buy, and cloud saves. Updates like Epic benefit from with Paragon and now Fortnite (Xbox are able to update weekly now I'm guessing. Epic breaking barriers).
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/01/18/portal-2-has-cross-platform-play
I'm laughing at this.... because I've never expressed that I'm with the corporation over gamers. It's this condescending attitude I hate about this discussion. You can't express an ounce of speculation as to why Sony may be holding out without it being, "you are against us".
I game when I have the time, I riff and raff like all of you, but I refuse to make it seem like I can't talk about anything else besides "Fuck Sony" for trying to understand why they might not be able to, and why I'm not particularly bother by it but kuddos to those who are trying for change. I'm not the one who goes out sending death threats to devs when they don't do something I don't like, and I'm certainly not the one to call devs lazy, talk shit about their games, or even once make it seem like their jobs aren't hard like some of you do on the regular bases. But this particular occasion literally is a matter of sharing the same amount of care and the reality is while some aren't against, they just don't care so much - to make it a priority for them. Some people want it more, some people don't really care....and some people really REALLY care. But it's whatever.....
This thread would make for a fantastic study on Stockholm Syndrome. I've never seen quite something like this.
the mental gymnastics on display in this thread are simply sensational
the mental gymnastics on display in this thread are simply sensational
I don't like telling my kids off when they are naughty. I still know I have to though sometimes.
Also I believe IIRC Spencer was making a general point about how he'd rather spend money on other things than secure map packs 30 days early. He's pretty much followed through with that as MS do not have many if any of those types of deals now.
I think Sony stance on this topic is just logical , and it is fair, it is not anticonsumer.
It is obviously not proconsumer either.
I think the solution to this has to come from the industry as a whole, all publishers, developers, and obviously platform holders, need to talk and maybe find an agreement on how, and when.
It would be hilarious that crossplay for this f2p game was a reality, but people gaming on XB had to pay for XBL and people playing on PS could play for free. Some things just make no sense at all.
It is obviously not proconsumer either.
I think the solution to this has to come from the industry as a whole, all publishers, developers, and obviously platform holders, need to talk and maybe find an agreement on how, and when.
It would be hilarious that crossplay for this f2p game was a reality, but people gaming on XB had to pay for XBL and people playing on PS could play for free. Some things just make no sense at all.
I think you and me just can't accept the internet these days. It's about us and them. Fuck his company and that company. Let's protest etc etc.
Sony did not sell the PS4 saying you can play Xbox gamers. No one has been misled.
Sony lose more from this as one of the best selling point from Sony's point of view is the PS4 userbase.
Me discussing and understanding why I can see Sony not doing this does not mean I want to defend Sony.
I think whattsapp (very popular messaging app outside US) should allow cross chat between WhatsApp and all other messaging services. If they don't allow it let's pull out the pitchforks because don't give a fuck.
I agree. Those pushing for crossplay need to find a way to make the average consumer care, however, because right now, most don't seem to. Sony probably isn't going to give up their edge nor do I expect them to play nice with MS. Next gen, with a fresh start, I expect more from both PS and MS, especially now that Nintendo is back in the fight
Well PUBG on XB1 isn't crossplay with PC.
Why Cross-play isn't possible on Xbox ?
I understand that PS4 does support crossplay with PC and Mobile, I'm referring to the games where PC, Switch, mobile and Xbox support crossplay among them, but PS4 will be out of Xbox and Nintendo crossplay. It is only a matter of time before Fortnite is announced for Switch and I'm sure Sony wont allow for Switch owners to play with their PS4 friends.
One game is a full 1.0 release, the other isn't. And by the way, you should ask PUBG Corp/Bluehole. It's their game.
I wish the way this game did cross play was more like Paragon and Street Fighter 5. This cross play is just invite/party only. This won't make a system with a small pool of players feel like it's not on life support, though I suppose the people with friends on more populated pools can invite the one that can hardly find a match.
Though it's not a level playing field like Paragon and SF5. Though arcade stick vs controller, and third person game with mouse keyboard on ranged characters.
Though it's not a level playing field like Paragon and SF5. Though arcade stick vs controller, and third person game with mouse keyboard on ranged characters.
Cleverly disguised console wars thread.
Until we know the exact details of the policies from both companies regarding cross-play, it's foolish to assume blame.
Microsoft wasn't hearing any of this last generation when Sony was open to cross-play, where was the outrage then? This has been iterated a few times, but of course it has fallen on death ears. It's amusing how Microsoft gets overlooked on a lot of things while Sony is put under a microscope.
Currently you guys are fussing over exclusives. The difference is Sony built their exclusives in house from first party development. Microsoft bought some of theirs (gears of war, titanfall 1, pubg). Can't compare first party development to second/third party development.
Waiting on a Microsoft revisionist to twist and spin this in favor of MS somehow.
Until we know the exact details of the policies from both companies regarding cross-play, it's foolish to assume blame.
Microsoft wasn't hearing any of this last generation when Sony was open to cross-play, where was the outrage then? This has been iterated a few times, but of course it has fallen on death ears. It's amusing how Microsoft gets overlooked on a lot of things while Sony is put under a microscope.
Currently you guys are fussing over exclusives. The difference is Sony built their exclusives in house from first party development. Microsoft bought some of theirs (gears of war, titanfall 1, pubg). Can't compare first party development to second/third party development.
Waiting on a Microsoft revisionist to twist and spin this in favor of MS somehow.
C'mon... I could make a post saying this thread would make for a fantastic study on buyers remorse but it would only detract and fan the console war flames.
This is what gets me. I'm not actively shutting down anyone's opinion and telling them, "No your wrong! Blah blah blah, something about Phil Spencer...blah blah, your post history...blah blah, fanboy this that, shill"
Like I don't got time for those games. I'm just saying that, it's gonna take time. I don't think it's fair to be like fuck this and fuck that...like it's pubescent. Idc if people are even asking why do you even care what they as a corporation are doing when you as a consumer should come first...I'm not wilding out, I don't feel slighted and I don't feel like I'm not getting what I deserve because it's a feature that's being asked to provide. I can't take getting upset about something that I never had but am perfectly fine to have. There's just nothing extra to be mad about. Its only, what? 10 or less games that this feature has been asked upon and of that the few that are aren't the ones losing money and players? What is there to be mad about? This is still early and still in development. It's going to take time, just like normalizing regular cross play is right now.
Yup and I cant believe this thread went as far as it did and multiple ones keep hoping up in the same week.
Oh I'm sure they are nowhere near that of PlayStation but you always hear about people struggling to match with players in their region and every little helps.
Not to mention the benefit for smaller/older games regardless of location.
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I like how you're passing the blame from Microsoft when it originated from them. If Microsoft enabled cross-play last gen when Sony was open to it, we would still have cross-play this generation between consoles. Since MS refused to and wanted to hold onto their XBL subscriptions, why should Sony give up market share now?
Want to explain how Sony is acting like tremendous dicks? The only people trying to make this a big deal is the people in this thread.