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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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Reading through this thread has been an adventure. The large amount of defense being run for Sony, and their decision to not allow you to play with more people (for better, faster, more accurate matchmaking), because they produce a piece of plastic that some are overly attached to is kind of amazing.
Ain't tribalism grand.
Reading through this thread has been an adventure. The large amount of defense being run for Sony, and their decision to not allow you to play with more people (for better, faster, more accurate matchmaking), because they produce a piece of plastic that some are overly attached to is kind of amazing.
Ain't tribalism grand.
I don't believe this to be true. If you read any of the Monster Hunter threads where people ask which platform they're going to buy MH on, the vast majority say PS4 because of the bigger user base.
Yeah, its amazing how many are more invested in the console wars than they are in the ability to actually play and enjoy games. It seems that their company "winning" matters far more to them than actually having an option to enjoy this game with the widest possible group of friends. I do find it funny.
And what does this even mean? How slow and inaccurate is your matchmaking now?
It is going to be hard deciding what console to buy in the future.. because we almost always hear: "Buy the console where all your friends are playing", when we ask if we should buy this or that console.. now they can play anywhere, any console etc.
We aren't asking for God of War on PC or Xbox. We are asking for Sony to embrace the changes developers want. Your analogy makes no sense at all.
Because you're saying microsoft are bad for having exclusive games. As a playstation player. You're saying Microsoft is bad and anti-consumer because you couldn't play Gears of War on your playstation. If you don't realize how baffling this sounds i don't know what to tell you.
And here comes the old "microsoft did it in the past!!!!!!!!" strawman again. Quick, post the FFXIV 2013 link as well
Arguing against even having a choice is ridiculous to me, let them choose and if people don't find it a value the service will fail.
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God of War is a first party title. Gears of War wasn't.
Am I living in some weird upside down world where paying to keep games off of one console in perpetuity is not anti-consumer? Is that really the gymnastics routine I'm watching?
What games aren't coming to PS4 because of the lack of cross platform play? If you are talking about the updated version of Mine craft, the older version is still on PS4. Any other games?
Are you really going to try and derail the thread to talk about why a game released TWELVE YEARS AGO was exclusive to the Xbox 360 and didn't come to the PS3? What even is this?
The trouble with this argument is that it boils down to "Sony should do everything they can do gain competitive advantage - that is only fair". In that scenario on the flip side MS should do the same. So if MS were to open their war chest and sign up a few timed exclusives or even full ones they should just do it and nobody could complain because they are just "gaining their competitive advantage". Perhaps that's what will happen. I'll await the lack of moans with great anticipation.
Gears of War 4; October 11, 2016
Are you saying this is not the case to this day?
So.. platform holders aren't allowed to buy IP's and/or studios now? Where is this argument going? If Sony had bought the Crash IP, I wouldn't scream about anti-consumerism. That's business and part of this industry.
But sure; console exclusives are stupid. I'd love to play God of War on my PC.
You do realize the IP is microsoft owned for quite some time, done by a microsoft studio and still released with crossplay on PC as well, right?
Do you really want me to list all the non first party series that never left playstation to refute your asinine point about gears of war?
That's my point. They should. The have. It sucked, but I bought my console and was ultimately fine. But let's not pretend they are pro-consumer. THAT'S my point.
Gears of War 4 is a first party game. Microsoft own Gears of War. Of course it's exclusive to Xbox and Windows 10. They make it.
Everyone gave several reason why money wise Sony benefits from not doing Xplay, you just dont want to listen to em
Nah I heard, I just feel like it's not weighting to the final definition that this decision was purely done out of greed.
I guess, I just can't see greed on a f2p game. Timed exclusives, additional dlc ala Destiny...all those things definitely shows their greed...but this? Idk, I don't see it...the numbers don't add up to me.
From the examples you put forth, buying a PS4 for fortnite isn't exactly something everyone is doing out tbe buttload and if we want to add microtransactions to the equation, there's already devices the system is playing nice with that already makes a ton more hand over fist in microtransactions than a console.....so is the final answer really greed? I'll honestly say that I might be being naive but I really don't see it. A single console sale just doesn't seem worth blocking out one competitor if it wasn't for the fact that they just don't want to share their userbase with them.
Hmmm this is true. So then with Microsoft it is about leveraging positions and piggybacking. That's what it has to be for....because there's a lot thar Microsoft has brought to the table including a more powerful console, but sales wise, sony is comfortable, isn't worried about them jumping ship sincethey try to keep them engaged somehow, but still no Xbox.
Honestly, I find bringing up Microsoft's transgressions mostly baffling. I mean, I'm sure there's some topics worth discussing. But in terms of irrelevant derailing it's super irrelevant to the topic at hand. Like, the goal here is "I want crossplay." People are challenging Sony because they think Crossplay is a good thing. They're not trying to smear Sony's good name to prop up MS as the saviors of this great hobby. Like, the endgame here isn't "everyone that owns a PS4 but not an XBO should trade in their PS4 towards and XBO! Everyone that owns both should sell their PS4!"
It means having a bigger pool of people to choose from. That way it can more accurately match-make you with people closer to your skill level. As well as having more people to play with, longer. Especially in a title's twilight years.
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It's not asinine. It's literally the whole point. They bought Gears of War from Epic to keep it off of Playstation. Is this not registering? It's done by a Microsoft Studio BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT IT TO KEEP IT OFF OF PLAYSTATION. Literally to exclude half the gaming community from playing it.
Don't know if anyone is arguing either company is 100 percent pro consumer. Individual policies can be though and cross play is one of those. That's the point.
This is incorrect. They consider PC to be a direct competitor. They specifically said this was their main reasoning for the PS4 Pro.
No, but they are only arguing that one company is ANTI-consumer. I'm saying they all are, lol.
And how did that happen?
And when you answer that, why did they buy the IP? Minecraft is now a first party Microsoft title. Since we're coming full circle. Why not let PS4 play. What does it hurt them? (These are all cross-play arguments, too if you can't tell where I'm going with this).
Why can you justify one, but not the other?
If the main allure of Sony consoles is the exclusives then third party crossplay shouldn't be an issue.
But it's a theoretical threat so they won't do it.
But it's a theoretical threat so they won't do it.
This. Let's not pretend Microsoft is holy. Or even close to that. This topic is about cross play. Just as the other topic is about charging for FTP online. Both topics are fine and these topics should be discussed. It makes consumers more aware of the issues that are facing console gaming.
And we're asking why that's relevant. The policy we're discussing is pro consumer (and dev for that matter). It doesn't matter who's pushing for it or why because it benefits us the consumer.
By buying the IP.
But please; open a topic about how exclusive IP's are bad for gamers. I'm completely agreeing with you. But it's a completely different topic.
You mean like every third party exclusive ever created?
It really is something else. I just wish this topic in particular wasn't reduced to console warz nonsense, since in my eyes the people actually playing these games gain far more from being able to group up and play together regardless of platform than any of the companies gain from it in terms of PR.
Ok. But clearly there's something different there. Why go to the trouble of funding a lot of the development and locking up exclusivity on consoles just to allow the game to release on PC with seemingly no limitations?
So this is completely seperate from this conversation. I know you think you got em with this but are we really arguing exclusives now? Sony has paid for a lot of exclusives to be off other systems, however this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Crossplay. Those decisions are entirely out of greed....wtf?
People are upset that a specifically pro-consumer feature is being apparently blocked by one platform holder. It's not about picking sides, it's about raising issues and trying to make changes that will benefit gamers. I know you want to divert attention towards bad things that Microsoft does/has done but there are other threads about that. There is an active thread right now about Microsoft requiring Xbox Live Gold for F2P games that and if you want to create a thread to discuss why Microsoft bought the Gears of War license from Epic nobody will stop you. I don't think it'll get much traction though, it's a weird thing to be complaining about in 2018.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Sony blocking cross-play in Fortnite.
I was explained so it's cool but the definition of the situation is still not the same a cross platform play. The PS4 version of Fortnite is not holding back Xbox players from playing the game at all.
Are you for fucking real? Microsoft funded the development of the GoW series, much like what Sony did with Street Fighter V. Once Epic were finished with the IP, Microsoft purchased it with the intentions to keep making games for it. They created a new studio just to make new GoW games. If you really are that bothered, buy an xbox and get over it. There would be no Gears of War games if it wasn't for Microsoft. Your double standards are embarrassing to witness.
This thread is about crossplay, cry over this somewhere else.
Uhhh, the shareholders would complain. Buying up a bunch of exclusives is kind of why MS is getting trounced this gen.
YES. EXACTLY. Why do they do it? Either company? Because they felt it's good for their business.
I get that cross-play in and of itself is good for consumers. I'm not ANTI-cross-play. I'm not PRO-corporation. But everyone is yelling at a monolith for being uncaring and it's silly. Cross-play doesn't effect Sony's bottom line one way or the other and it give the competition a chance to justify staying on their console. Why get a PS4 if you can play with them on Xbox. They literally have no incentive and Xbox has ALL the incentive, corporately speaking.
It's not a pro-consumer move that they are kindly giving. It's a smart PR move, that's all I'm saying.
Now imagine Sony saying that and tell me about double standards, lol.
No company will ever be entirely pro-consumer. Right now MS are offering more to the consumer than Sony. Cross-play, play anywhere, back compat (free), EA access etc....(what they haven't got is the AAA exclusives but that's a different point)
This will always be in flux, but right now in terms of pure "consumer friendly" initiatives MS are ahead. May be out of necessity but that doesn't really matter.
The point is that we should hold everyone to account on things like cross-play that will happen anyway and will benefit gamers for generations. Its like the Berlin wall, it just needs to be pulled down and the floodgates opened now.
Fortnite dosnt need Crossplay at all ..and Ms with their moves on windows/Xbox integration and the crossplay with Nintendo even less than Sony ......here the things is more about niche games or devs that go through for any reasons problems with their release (as example see Lawbreakers)