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ColonialHawk

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Oct 27, 2017
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I had thought Annihilation was gonna be a netflix exclusive and had been waiting for it to come out. I didnt realize it was even in theatres. Luckily theres still some showings so thats nice.

Maybe do a double feature of this and The Hurricane Heist
 

Vashetti

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Oct 27, 2017
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I reckon the TLJ Plinkett Review will be another super long one like TFA that discusses the state of Star Wars, what with Lord & Miller leaving Solo, D&D getting their own set of movies, Rian getting a trilogy, etc.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm kinda shocked they didn't bring up Disney donating Black Panther profits to opening a STEM center considering they were looking at it from a pretty cynically realist perspective. Kind of raised an eyebrow when they also conflated Black Panther with Ghostbusters, though I guess nuance is something lost on Mike because movies make him want to be dead.
Yeah, I had a similar thought/reaction.
 

SteveWinwood

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Oct 25, 2017
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Real Hero

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm kinda shocked they didn't bring up Disney donating Black Panther profits to opening a STEM center considering they were looking at it from a pretty cynically realist perspective. Kind of raised an eyebrow when they also conflated Black Panther with Ghostbusters, though I guess nuance is something lost on Mike because movies make him want to be dead.
RLM has a product to sell just as much as Disney. Praising Disney won't really sell to their audience
 

Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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Mike's "X is only important to little kids." argument is so stupid and out of touch I can't even feign offense.
 

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Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh come now deary he didn't mean you.


Was likely the hyperbolic reviews from reviewers who care more about diversity than film quality.
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Nah, that's just Mikes overall opinion. He's been saying the same thing since the Phantom Menace reviews. Like Jay said comparing a R rated $40 million dollar sci fi film vs a PG 13 $200+ million dollar blockbuster seems off. It just reeks of poorly thought out whataboutism. Especially since adult genre films historically give more roles to women/poc while women/poc lead blockbusters are relatively new and their failure is penalized more.
 

Madison

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Oct 27, 2017
8,388
Lima, Peru
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Nah, that's just Mikes overall opinion. He's been saying the same thing since the Phantom Menace reviews. Like Jay said comparing a R rated $40 million dollar sci fi film vs a PG 13 $200+ million dollar blockbuster seems off. It just reeks of poorly thought out whataboutism. Especially since adult genre films historically give more roles to women/poc while women/poc lead blockbusters are relatively new and their failure is penalized more.

Yeah the way they compared blockbusters to an author film by Alex Garland had some interesting concepts but it mostly lacked logic.
 

Sanjuro

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Oct 25, 2017
31,076
Massachusetts
I do think Black Panther is problematic in a similar regard. They made their point pretty clear in the video.

It's very similar to the Oscar disconnect, and what we are championing.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
13,085
Whether you agree with their overall opinion on the situation or not, the fact that an intelligent sci-fi movie made by a well respected filmmaker with women in all the lead roles isn't being championed or talked about in today's very specific media climate was worth noting.

I really need to go see this soon before it's out of the kino. Unpopular movies' empty theaters can work out for getting the theater experience basically all to yourself. Hopefully it shows up on Netflix in the US pretty soon too.
 

Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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Whether you agree with their overall opinion on the situation or not, the fact that an intelligent sci-fi movie made by a well respected filmmaker with women in all the lead roles isn't being championed or talked about in today's very specific media climate was worth noting.

I really need to go see this soon before it's out of the kino. Unpopular movies' empty theaters can work out for getting the theater experience basically all to yourself. Hopefully it shows up on Netflix in the US pretty soon too.

Who isn't talking about it that should be? All the same news outlets that they used for the Black Panther/Ghostbusters headlines wrote pieces about it and how it relates to the climate. This is a hard R nihilistic piece of depressing Sci Fi. As far as championing it goes the studio had two options. They could either cut a deceiving trailer to try and trojan horse it to general audiences like Mother!/Blade Runner 2049 only for it to die in theaters. Or they could sell the international rights to Netflix and give it a modest domestic run but make a profit. Of the two options this was their best bet.

The Southern Reach Trilogy was never going to have mainstream appeal. A great film like Children of Men bombed 11 years ago and this was before the golden age of TV where most people watch their adult stories now a day. If this was a more hopeful film like Arrival I could see the studio giving it more of a push but its really not. This is a problem about how audiences view hard sci fi not how supporters of diversity are being inconsistent.

Annihilation Is the Latest Example of How Women Are Taking Over Science-Fiction Movies
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/annihilation-tessa-thompson-female-cast-sci-fi-1201929523/
What Makes 'Annihilation' a Different Type of Female-Driven Movie

'Annihilation' Star Tessa Thompson: Having a Predominantly Female Cast on Sci-Fi Horror Film 'Changes Everything'

'Annihilation' Shows It's Possible To Cast All Women In A Movie Without Making A Big Deal About It

'Annihilation': the sci-fi movie women have been waiting for
 
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Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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They mention the hard sci-fi limiation in the review.
I watched and mostly agreed with Mike and Jay's points after the first 7 minutes of the review. My response was mainly focusing on Mike's soap boxing for the first 7 minutes about how no one talked about this film even though it had women so thus it should have the same marketing/media push as Ghostbusters 2016.
 

Ether_Snake

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Oct 29, 2017
11,306
I watched and mostly agreed with Mike and Jay's points after the first 7 minutes of the review. My response was mainly focusing on Mike's soap boxing for the first 7 minutes about how no one talked about this film even though it had women so thus it should have the same marketing/media push as Ghostbusters 2016.

No one is really talking about it. You can find articles about anything, doesn't mean much. Yours links are also broken, three point to the same page.
 

kadotsu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Don't disagree but that was the evidence Mike used. People are talking its just a smaller audience.
I think the whole discussion is just about studio push. The argument goes like: You heavily push perfunctory (Ghostbuster) to good (Black Panther) movies with a diversity campaign but this well reviewed, diverse movie doesn't even get a cinema release. But I also see that this is more of a mainstream vs auteur movie conflict.
It could be potentially be seen as problematic if you read the argument as just using diversity as a catalyst to push more movie marketing for titles that you want to see but that would be a very uncharitable reading.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Who isn't talking about it that should be? All the same news outlets that they used for the Black Panther/Ghostbusters headlines wrote pieces about it and how it relates to the climate. This is a hard R nihilistic piece of depressing Sci Fi. As far as championing it goes the studio had two options. They could either cut a deceiving trailer to try and trojan horse it to general audiences like Mother!/Blade Runner 2049 only for it to die in theaters. Or they could sell the international rights to Netflix and give it a modest domestic run but make a profit. Of the two options this was their best bet.

The Southern Reach Trilogy was never going to have mainstream appeal. A great film like Children of Men bombed 11 years ago and this was before the golden age of TV where most people watch their adult stories now a day. If this was a more hopeful film like Arrival I could see the studio giving it more of a push but its really not. This is a problem about how audiences view hard sci fi not how supporters of diversity are being inconsistent.

Annihilation Is the Latest Example of How Women Are Taking Over Science-Fiction Movies
What Makes 'Annihilation' a Different Type of Female-Driven Movie

'Annihilation' Star Tessa Thompson: Having a Predominantly Female Cast on Sci-Fi Horror Film 'Changes Everything'

'Annihilation' Shows It's Possible To Cast All Women In A Movie Without Making A Big Deal About It

'Annihilation': the sci-fi movie women have been waiting for
I mean... a few articles doesn't compare to the way the studios pushed something like Ghostbusters. That movie and the discussion about it was everywhere on the internet for months. It's definitely interesting to me which movie the studio system decided to throw their "this is great for feminism" marketing campaign behind.
 

TAJ

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Oct 28, 2017
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I just got home from work and was greeted by... the DVD of Suburban Sasquatch that I ordered. Fuck yes.
 

SteveWinwood

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Oct 25, 2017
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I remember when I was a kid I found a vhs tape of a tng episode in an alley.

Unfortunately it was the one where everyone gets addicted to what must be the shittiest video game ever of sucking up spheres. Fucking Wesley saves the day because of course he does. I think that's the one with Jessica Biel in it though.
TOS doesn't count (and is awesome).
I do generally agree but some of the premises are too amazing to ignore.

Like when they took Spock's brain out.
 

BorkBork

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have always loved Masks, but I'm a Joe Monesky fanboy (at least for TNG).

They liked Annihilation more than I did, it seems. I did notice and appreciated the majority women cast as well.
 

LakeEarth

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Oct 27, 2017
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I remember when I was a kid I found a vhs tape of a tng episode in an alley.

Unfortunately it was the one where everyone gets addicted to what must be the shittiest video game ever of sucking up spheres. Fucking Wesley saves the day because of course he does. I think that's the one with Jessica Biel in it though.
Ashley Judd. Jessica Biel wouldve been like 11 when that episode was made.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Is RLM above being used as a marketing device? Is [insert thing here] replacing [insert other thing here]? Are RLM memes getting old by now?