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Banjo Kazooie in Super Smash Bros Switch, is it actually realistic?
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If you just started gaming it's understandable not to know who Banjo is I guess. Back in the N64 era Rare made a platformer called Banjo Kazooie. It was a 3D platformer and a huge hit. Microsoft now owns Rare so they own the rights to the franchise.
Absolutely. Phil wants to play nice with the other Platform holders - Minecraft on Switch being a biggie (You can even play as Banjo and the Chief in the Switch version). As long as it's the Nuts and Bolts redesign too - Packaging Banjo looks awful.
edit: Anyone who thinks the redesign is bad better queue up for a whoopin..
edit: Anyone who thinks the redesign is bad better queue up for a whoopin..
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If Nintendo and co. wanted it MS would let them but Rare's games were never popular in Japan and I doubt Nintendo would want to advertise a game from another hardware competitor (yes there were MGS 4 references in Brawl but this is different).
No its not.
Aslong Nintendo doesnt buy something back or get something in exchange there is no reason to put them in Smash.
Also not many care about Banjo anymore since MS kiiled the franchise. Its not like their inclusion would light the world on fire.
Aslong Nintendo doesnt buy something back or get something in exchange there is no reason to put them in Smash.
Also not many care about Banjo anymore since MS kiiled the franchise. Its not like their inclusion would light the world on fire.
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Never going to happen
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Never going to happen
I loved Banjo but at least MegaMan became a meme for awhile :p
Banjo hasn't been relevant since the 64 days (that car game didn't help )
I wouldn't say the Banjo IP is over. Microsoft is still actively promoting the Banjo-Kazooie IP with things like Minecraft DLC. Microsoft could very easily do what they did with "Killer Instinct". By giving the "Perfect Dark" and "Banjo-Kazooie" IPs to other studios to tackle (aka, studios not named Rare).
The truth is, most semi-popular IPs don't stay dead forever. They just go into a temporary hibernation until publishers can figure out what to do with them. I mean, last year gave us a new Bubsy game, of all things! This year, we're getting a new Toe Jam and Earl game and an HD remake of Fear Effect. We also have Sony creating a remaster of MediEvil.
People said Metroid is dead. Nintendo announces Metroid Prime 4 and Metroid Samus Returns.
People said Mega Man is dead. Capcom announces Mega Man 11.
People said Crash Bandicoot is irrelevant. Last year, Crash Bandicoot N's Sane Trilogy shattered sales records.
People said Bomberman is irrelevant. Last year, Super Bomberman R became the best selling game in the series history.
And, with the recent Netflix show, I think Castlevania will make a big comeback too.
Well they did have a full fledge GBA game dedicated to him unlike cloud who only had cameos.
But they are owned by a competitor. But then again, they were allowed to be used in the Switch version of Minecraft.
But they are owned by a competitor. But then again, they were allowed to be used in the Switch version of Minecraft.
Its totally possible. I remember Phil saying something like he'd be down with Banjo in Smash. I don't think he'll make it in this game but its definitely possible.
You certainly aren't wrong. We've seen our share of comebacks lately. It really depends on what Rare wants to do. I used to know some people over there, but all my connections dried up a while ago.
I'd be real interested in seeing what Konami's next attempt at Castlevania looks like, personally. After Metal Gear Survive, I have little to no hope, but with the right dev partner they might be able to make magic. Who knows.
Not really, there are some moves there that are completely ripped of BK, sure, the dog is much faster than what banjo would be, and moves work different, but so what? Kirby and Jigglypuff are clones, and they play nothing alike.
I think if Microsoft were going to sign over one of their characters, there's a way more obvious and contemporary choice for Smash: Steve from Minecraft. That'd be a great move set, too.
I firmly think MS will bring Banjo back, especially in the wake of the Crash success, but they need to sort that character out on their own platform first either with a new game or a Crash-like remaster. Steve, however... great fit.
I firmly think MS will bring Banjo back, especially in the wake of the Crash success, but they need to sort that character out on their own platform first either with a new game or a Crash-like remaster. Steve, however... great fit.
Steve having a game on nintendo consoles already give him a leg to butt in, but people want banjo because he's much more significant to Nintendo history.
Of all the banjo games that exist, only 1 wasn't in a nintendo console (Nuts n Bolts), and Banjo was part of the original cast in Diddy Kong Racing, that's a total of 5 nintendo games banjo appeared on, 3 of them which remain exclusive to Nintendo platforms (DKR, Grunty's Revenge and Pilot).
I can definitely see something being worked out. It will be really tough to do an N64 Classic without Rare games, so I would imagine that they're going through broad talks along these licensing lines as it is anyway.
I wonder if they'd somehow manage to blend the two properties together - much like how Pac-Man also incorporates some Namco properties and Duck Hunt Dog does with Wild Gunman. Like swinging a pickaxe and shovelling isn't quite enough (especially with the Villager) - whereas giving those to Banjo plus the ol Beak attacks and Flutter jumps fits the Smash Set. Plus you could have a level that's Voxel Spiral Mountain.
Yeah, and when MS bring back Banjo (cos I think after the Crash success it's now inevitable) they're going to do it only on their main platform. Steve makes a lot more sense for a lot of reasons anyway - on Nintendo platforms Minecraft has sold several times what all the Banjo games have, and he's iconic now to today's kids, which would make him a good get for Nintendo and obviously a good get for Microsoft, too in terms of continuing to promote the wildly successful game on Nintendo platforms.
It's possible but I can't really see Nintendo wanting to use a rival first party character. I'd love to see it because Banjo was an iconic N64 game but obviously he would never feature in a new Switch title. Guys like Cloud might not have the same history on Nintendo platforms but they are free to appear if SE wishes. Banjo is locked up with another first party.
A comeback could always happen.
As for relevancy, I've posted it earlier but are characters like Duck Hunt Dog, Mr Game and Watch, etc relevant? No, but it's part of Nintendo's history and they're fun to play as. I'm sure there's gamers out there who played Banjo and would love his inclusion in Smash.
As for the Nuts and Bolts, I agree lol. I didn't think it was a bad game, but I really wanted a proper platformer and sequel, not whatever we got.
You will never see Banjo Kazooie in Smash:
1. Sakurai is very picky with western characters. Diddy Kong is literally the only character on the entire roster not created in Japan. And that's only due to his connection to DK.
2. Since Banjo is owned by Microsoft, they're not going to spend time developing a fighter they may have to remove in the next game. I think they learned their lesson with Snake.
3. Banjo is unknown now to most gamers. Banjo Kazooie came out in 1998 for goodness sakes. An entire new gen of kids have never played his N64 games.
1. Sakurai is very picky with western characters. Diddy Kong is literally the only character on the entire roster not created in Japan. And that's only due to his connection to DK.
2. Since Banjo is owned by Microsoft, they're not going to spend time developing a fighter they may have to remove in the next game. I think they learned their lesson with Snake.
3. Banjo is unknown now to most gamers. Banjo Kazooie came out in 1998 for goodness sakes. An entire new gen of kids have never played his N64 games.
Is steve really as recognizable as you people are saying? Not being cheeky, legit asking. I'm not savvy on it but my kids play minecraft, but its all about their stories/characters and youtubers. I don't think they even know steve is a thing, let alone that its name is steve
Guess they would be hyped seeing a minecraft character in smash, yeah, but it could basically be anything, even youtuber #485 character or a creeper
Guess they would be hyped seeing a minecraft character in smash, yeah, but it could basically be anything, even youtuber #485 character or a creeper
Yeah, I don't think relevancy is that important to the Smash Bros series.
Smash Bros has always been about celebrating video game history (and more specifically, Nintendo's history).
Most people probably didn't know what "Ice Climbers" was until they played a Smash Bros game.
At this point, anything is possible with Smash
Yes? Maybe not everyone knows his name, but they definitely know it's Minecraft guy.
Except Ridley
Yes? Maybe not everyone knows his name, but they definitely know it's Minecraft guy.
They definitely learned their lesson with Snake, which is why they bought back two characters SEGA owns the rights to, one Namco owns the rights to, two Capcom own the rights to and one Square Enix owns the rights to who hasn't even had a proper appearance on a Nintendo platform. I guess all these guys are also cut from the new Smash because they might have to remove them next game if the companies change their minds, so why waste the resources?
Like, I don't think Banjo stands a chance, but this point is silly. If Nintendo cared about this there wouldn't be any third party characters at all.
The real reason is that Banjo is 1) pretty irrelevant and 2) unlikely to get a game on a Nintendo platform any time soon. I think if he only had one of these things going for him (IE Cloud, who has enormous relevancy but no real Nintendo connection) he'd stand a chance, but both is a killer. I think if Nintendo is looking at top sellers on their platforms they surely must have at least considered approaching MS about some Minecraft representation, though.
I think it's fair to say it's probably an intersection of relevancy and Nintendo history, though. A third-party character is more about the relevancy, which is why we got Cloud instead of a less immediately recognizable SNES-era FF rep or something. Like I said above, it's a combination of factors. Nintendo's own franchises they paint with a broader brush, but that's because it's their stuff.
Lol, this forum and all Nintendo forums would explode, it would be massive.
But everyone knows "minecraft anything" due to the artstyle. i guess what i'm really questioning is "does it really have to be steve? would people actually give a shit that is steve instead of literally anything else minecraft"? could be a minecraft walking pickaxe as far as i'm concerned, i think people would enjoy anything as long as minecraft related - i don't think steve the character would matter much here
Its certainly possible, but I'm not getting the vibes and don't expect it. I don't think Sakurai is a big fan of Rare videogames and Microsoft and Nintendo aren't that good of friends and I don't know if Sakurai knows anyone over at Rare/Microsoft. Banjo himself has also fallen from grace, unlike someone like Cloud.
I would expect Sora or more Namco/Capcom/Square characters before Banjo. But if he got in it would be a huge deal, at least in the West.
I would expect Sora or more Namco/Capcom/Square characters before Banjo. But if he got in it would be a huge deal, at least in the West.
It doesn't 'have' to be Steve, but he's obviously the default model and everyone will recognize the model, if not the name. And in a very Smash way there's a female variant (Alex) that could easily be an alt, too. The point is it'd be a Minecraft character, though.
A creeper would make a pretty great assist trophy, also. I feel like Minecraft deserves the representation, so I hope it does come to pass.
Hold on, link me any interview where sakurai stated he dislikes western characters, because that seems like just an assumption on your part.
2 and 3 are meaningless because Cloud and Snake both happened. And really, do you think Cloud is popular with the kiddies? How old is FF7 again? do you think modern kids care about Cloud, Cloud fandom is all people who grew up with the original FF7 release? why do you think the younger audiences ask for Sora from KH when dream lists happen?
Uh, I think the video game series that recently had a new entry that proved highly successful for Microsoft is worth a lot more than a DK villain.
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sailing around sea of thieves and you find The Lost World, still filled with kremlings
what a dream
In the Direct Cloud was announced in, he was also revealed to be in Final Fantasy Explorers 3DS.
Along with a bunch of PS1 Final Fantasy characters.
This thread feels like when everyone made fun of wanting Pac-Man in Smash and it was asinine. Remember those days?
"Theyre gonna use his modern TV show design only" "What moves would he even have?" "He has no recent games" "Namco has other characters that would work better" "Wheres Klonoa"
And then Pac got in and hes literally perfect.
"Theyre gonna use his modern TV show design only" "What moves would he even have?" "He has no recent games" "Namco has other characters that would work better" "Wheres Klonoa"
And then Pac got in and hes literally perfect.
Cloud is still relevant and represents a franchise that's still relevant.
Snake was huge at the time. Still is, honestly.
I'm still curious how things would go. Technically, if they wanted someone from MS. Steve from Minecraft would be the real big get for all the kids. Compared to Banjo. Still say Master Chief would be the cooler MS pick and one with the most reaction around it.
They could easily get away with making them a Duck Hunt clone. Might take a little more finessing than your average clone, but it could be made to work.
Nintendo would likely only be interested if they had banjo games to sell on VC (they'd need a VC first). Probably more realistic than Goku tho
Yeah there is. Would be a huge goodwill move for Microsoft.
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