Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP

FairyEmpire said:

Which is why people should stand up and vote with their wallets. Lootboxes like Battlefront 2 is what every company would love to implement with no backlash. EA went too far, they lost billions of dollars because of that move. And yet, nobody could argue that if it pushed through, it would have been insanely profitable and "great" for them. But it was shit for the players, so players fought back and won. Not sure we're suddenly so preoccupied with Sony's finances when discussing crossplay. Is the decision to block it hurting paying customers? Yes, very much so. In the case of Minecraft the entire game is crippled because of this. That is the only thing people should give a shit about: what's best for them. If everyone acted in the interest of businesses, we'd still have online passes, insanely OP lootbox systems, not to mention we'd never use sites like Amazon because they kill the mom and dad shops. But here we are.

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But I agree... I just pointed out what Sony probably is thinking... I didn't buyed BF2, I don't buy lootboxes, I never buyed DLCs (only expansions worth the money, not add-on "contents")... If people don't like something it's the right thing to let companies understand that by not buying their products, but only what it's worth their money.

Magwik said:

Except this doesn't work because you don't need a PS4 to play the game with PS4 owners.
Also who even gives a shit about the optics.

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But You can't play with XB owners if you own a PS4... that's their point probably, XB is the main competitor for them on a certain point of view.

everyer said:

Fine. Sony is Evil.
Don't play any Sony titles and sell your playstation4.

I just want to play God of Wars and Detroit ASAP. I don't care about why Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this forum.

lol.

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Won't someone think of the poor multinational multi-million corporation.

Ge0force said:

Sony should consider taking the interests of their customers over their own.

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In the long term, the interests of your customers are actually your own. I can't help but feel like Sony is acting very badly here especially since they want to champion #fortheplayers. Right now, seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors and PR bullshit.

everyer said:

Fine. Sony is Evil.
Don't play any Sony titles and sell your playstation4.

I just want to play God of Wars and Detroit ASAP. I don't care about why Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this forum.

lol.

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"I want crossplay"
"Us too"

"Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this"

One hell of a jump you made there.

ffvorax said:

But I agree... I just pointed out what Sony probably is thinking... I didn't buyed BF2, I don't buy lootboxes, I never buyed DLCs (only expansions worth the money, not add-on "contents")... If people don't like something it's the right thing to let companies understand that by not buying their products, but only what it's worth their money.

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And you're perfectly right, my answer was only marginally directed at you in fact. When in lootbox threads, you don't see people going "oh but it's fine because it's what's best for the developers". Nearly everyone says "fuck lootboxes, never buying this game". And we saw with Battlefront 2 that such "protests" can have solid results. And yet, when cross-play comes into mix, we have hundreds of people ready to die on the "but MS opposed cross-play first" "PS4 is leading so Sony should block it" hills. It boggles my mind, honestly. To me, if there are two identical products in terms of content, but one has better graphics (on the X) and has cross-play with other platforms like the Switch, this products is obviously more value to me, so I won't buy one that in fact has less things going for it for the same price. And this isn't Destiny-like scenarios where someone pays a dev to withhold content from platforms: these are literally opt-in features that any console manifacturer could achieve if they wanted to, so it is only on them if we don't get there. So to me the choice is a no-brainer. I bought Minecraft on a lot of different platforms, but why would I bother getting it on PlayStation when I can't even bring my worlds and saves over? The mobile version literally has more content and value proposition at this point.

samar11 said:

MS is what


This is a fucking terrible post mate. Dont post anymore

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TheTruthofKayle said:

You are drunk :D

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That's literally a definition of competition in a free market. I don't agree with it in principle, but you are asking Sony to remove a competitive advantage, and the reason we keep competition is because it's "best for consumers".

I guess the big appeal of cross play is to:
-expand the player base and keep games alive longer
-play with friends cross platform

With friends, I'd have to imagine without them being able to join party chat, I'd be kinda uninterested in taking advantage of cross platform play with a friend.

It definitely would be nice if Sony got on board. It definitely seems like the future of the industry.

travisbickle said:

That's literally a definition of competition in a free market. I don't agree with it in principle, but you are asking Sony to remove a competitive advantage, and the reason we keep competition is because it's "best for consumers".

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People had no troubles asking EA to remove lootboxes despite such practices giving them an incredible competitive advantage compared to most other publishers. Not sure why Sony blocking cross-play is suddenly worth "but this is good for them" counterpoints, unless you're a shareholder and thus actively interested in them winning.

As long as the developers don't change their stance on this, nothing here will change..

As it is right now, Sony has nothing to gain from opening the floodgates to other console users... nothing at all. It is a very small (but vocal) minority who is fighting for this to happen...

BUT, if the developers of the games, start demanding that Sony will use crossplay servers, or they will get their own servers (with only Playstation 4 players), and the console makers who wants to play crossplay, gets in on servers with all the other players (mobile, pc and console). That way Sony will not have the biggest playerbase anymore...

Fortnite on PS4 does not "need" crossplay with other consoles, there are more than enough players on the servers.. and Sony knows it.. but if those players would move to another platform with more players, then Sony might reconsider, but right now.. nope.. which is also why they can crossplay / cross purchase with PC and mobile, they do not want to use the players to those platforms.

travisbickle said:

That's literally a definition of competition in a free market. I don't agree with it in principle, but you are asking Sony to remove a competitive advantage, and the reason we keep competition is because it's "best for consumers".

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isnt like im not understanding the reasons why sony is doing it ...and probably if i would be sony ive been doing the same...BUT theres a thing that is making me smile ...im (and is the third time that i say this) sure that no one who is defending Sony here would use the same tenacity supporting Ms and their marketshare advantage (that is even more than what sony can dream to have on console side) on the pc platform trying to leverage their position with their store and other things ( clearly after improving it) etc etc...and this should let you understand the difference used to measure the two things.

The Wise Old Man said:

I feel like there are unintended consequences To cross platform play that nobody is thinking about.

Putting out massively trendy games as cross account and cross platform is just propping up massive games developers that suck up all the oxygen in the room and it doesn't allow for small innovative games to be made. I feel like we're heading to a one console/one game future controlled by one company. That's not good for the consumer.

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Sorry but that's absolute nonsense. These games exist anyway. Fortnite doesn't need crossplay to survive on every platform going. Thrive even.

Crossplay helps out smaller devs with smaller games.

kbear said:

I think it would've been better PR for Sony to just say outright that we don't want to due to business and competitive reasons.

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First page necrobump, but they actually already came out and said this with Minecraft.

Jim Ryan: It's certainly not a profound philosophical stance we have against this. We've done it in the past. We're always open to conversations with any developer or publisher who wants to talk about it. Unfortunately it's a commercial discussion between ourselves and other stakeholders, and I'm not going to get into the detail of that on this particular instance. And I can see your eyes rolling.

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-cross-play-with-xbox-one-and-nintendo-switch

CountAntonius said:

"I want crossplay"
"Us too"

"Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this"

One hell of a jump you made there.

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But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

I totally get why some would love for it to happen, but at the same time I also understand why Sony isn't keen to make this happen.

It is what it is I guess.

hanmik said:

As long as the developers don't change their stance on this, nothing here will change..

As it is right now, Sony has nothing to gain from opening the floodgates to other console users... nothing at all. It is a very small (but vocal) minority who is fighting for this to happen...

BUT, if the developers of the games, start demanding that Sony will use crossplay servers, or they will get their own servers (with only Playstation 4 players), and the console makers who wants to play crossplay, gets in on servers with all the other players (mobile, pc and console). That way Sony will not have the biggest playerbase anymore...

Fortnite on PS4 does not "need" crossplay with other consoles, there are more than enough players on the servers.. and Sony knows it.. but if those players would move to another platform with more players, then Sony might reconsider, but right now.. nope.. which is also why they can crossplay / cross purchase with PC and mobile, they do not want to use the players to those platforms.

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Okay but why do none of these types of posts, speaking in behalf of the company, never mention why I should give a shit as a consumer or why this kind posturing matters on their point of view.

KALOSMANI said:

I don't understand why we have another thread on this. Will we get why games are not cross play with every online game that has cross PS4-PC and Xbox-PC. Can I also vote for monthly why do we pay for online thread and I hate lootbox thread even if they are cosmetics.

I suggest we should have a OT

Why Sony doesnt do cross online OT
Lootbox are bad OT
Why are we still paying for online OT

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I suggest you edit your post, this thread has already had two warnings against thread whining.

Zappy said:

Sorry but that's absolute nonsense. These games exist anyway. Fortnite doesn't need crossplay to survive on every platform going. Thrive even.

Crossplay helps out smaller devs with smaller games.

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Yeah, that point doesn't make much sense imho. Indie games are literally the ones to benefit the most from shared playerbases. Imagine a small indie game with 10 people on Xbox, 15 on PS4, 20 on Switch, 15 on PC and another 40 between Android and iOS. Most of these platforms probably wouldn't have enough players to find a match in anything but rush hours, but sum them all and you could have a couple matches going at nearly all times, and by making sure there's always a relatively healthy population you ensure further sales as well. Nobody buys into a dead multiplayer game (see Lawbreakers).

Whereas with AAA... does it really change that much? The yearly Call Of Duty probably has like at least 30-50k people online at any given time on X1 and PS4. That means you can find a match from your region in any gamemode without much of a trouble regardless of your gaming schedule. It's not like their matchmaking would drastically change if the number somehow doubled up.

everyer said:

But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

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You know all Sony have to do is say "ok". It will take absolutely no focus away from them making games. All the work is on the backend of the developer. Sorry these topics hurt your feelings.

Sony's just not going to play ball. In lieu of definitive reason I'm presuming they don't want to enable smaller player counts on MS platform to survive via larger PS4 player counts.

They want PS4 to be where you feel safe you'll get decent player count for MP games and MS to feel risky.

Sucks for consumers but it's an obvious competitive play IMO and so long as Sony has a decent percentage advantage with game splits I don't see it changing.

Cross play helps MS more than Sony competitively right now so they're shutting the door on it.

I'm for cross play but I'm not hopeful it's going to be standard at this point. With MS essentially claiming - falsely IMO but let's not derail thread - that a PC player is an MS player they're even more encouraged not to contribute to player base available for MS platforms.

Sucks - but it's clearly driven by competitive thinking.

everyer said:

But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

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You're really going all in then? lol

Lurcharound said:

Sony's just not going to play ball. In lieu of definitive reason I'm presuming they don't want to enable smaller player counts on MS platform to survive via larger PS4 player counts.

They want PS4 to be where you feel safe you'll get decent player count for MP games and MS to feel risky.

Sucks for consumers but it's an obvious competitive play IMO and so long as Sony has a decent percentage advantage with game splits I don't see it changing.

Cross play helps MS more than Sony competitively right now so they're shutting the door on it.

I'm for cross play but I'm not hopeful it's going to be standard at this point. With MS essentially claiming - falsely IMO but let's not derail thread - that a PC player is an MS player they're even more encouraged not to contribute to player base available for MS platforms.

Sucks - but it's clearly driven by competitive thinking.

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Why would anyone buy a game on Xbox if they don't need one to play with their Xbox friends. Clearly Sony should be confident in having the better platform and knowing it will increase sales long term.

If I know the steam version of a game isnt hindered at all, why would I buy the version on uPlay? Steam doesn't block me from playing with uPlay users.

everyer said:

But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

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Jesus man.

Lurcharound said:

Sony's just not going to play ball. In lieu of definitive reason I'm presuming they don't want to enable smaller player counts on MS platform to survive via larger PS4 player counts.

They want PS4 to be where you feel safe you'll get decent player count for MP games and MS to feel risky.

Sucks for consumers but it's an obvious competitive play IMO and so long as Sony has a decent percentage advantage with game splits I don't see it changing.

Cross play helps MS more than Sony competitively right now so they're shutting the door on it.

I'm for cross play but I'm not hopeful it's going to be standard at this point. With MS essentially claiming - falsely IMO but let's not derail thread - that a PC player is an MS player they're even more encouraged not to contribute to player base available for MS platforms.

Sucks - but it's clearly driven by competitive thinking.

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It is, but so are online passes, lootboxes, on-disc DLCs, broken launches, etc.. Yet, we fight against those but this one is kind of a weak argument for most people, and I'm not sure why: it would only have benefits for consumers, no downsides. And that quote you are referring to is not wrong, if anything possibly misinterpreted: since most of the people playing on PC are using Microsoft services (which start at Windows but possibly include Windows Store, Azure, OneDrive, Hotmail, Office, etc.), they are, by all means, Microsoft users. If we were to look at it this way, Microsoft has an infinitely larger userbase than Sony, even if for Sony we decide to include their TVs, media players, phones, etc..

So yeah, it's driven by competitive thinking, you're not wrong, but since it fucks us over as customers we should stand up against it. By voting for them with our wallets we're essentially telling them that what they're doing is perfectly fine, and nothing will change until this shit starts hurting their bottom line.

Magwik said:

Won't someone think of the poor multinational multi-million corporation.

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Isnt the poor multi-billion coporation MS in this case? They are the once begging for it?

Ludens said:

Isnt the poor multi-billion coporation MS in this case? They are the once begging for it?

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everyer said:

But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

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I must admit, I have only read the last few pages so not sure how deep you are in to this derailing, but duuuuuude

everyer said:

But isn't it ridiculous???? I still remember last time there are so much posts about MC cross play and every hater said the same things in this and those topics.
Again?????

You know you can avoid buying Sony products and give it a lesson. But in these months it still sold very well and still focused on making good first party games.

I really enjoy Frantics last week, playing with my friends, got a fantastic weekend. Thanks you Sony, for focusing on making good games and not responding to such stupid topics.

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I know you love making dumb excuses for multi million dollar companies that are actively anti-consumer and anti-reflection, but you do realize Sony doesn't need to "focus" on shit to allow it, certainly? Like, it requires no effort on their part. There are zero resources needed for it. This wouldn't have any impact on games being made. That literally isn't how shit works. Psyonix devs already have literally everything worked out for crossplay for more than a year now. Literally the only thing Sony needs to say is "Yes".
Take off your dumb fanboy glasses for one second.

TheKidObi said:

Perfect example, yet people still don't get it, and say we're defending our fav company. At the end of the day whether your against it, don't care or care that doesn't matter what matters to Sony is what you posted above. So yeah people that care ,sorry cause your out of luck, ain't going to happen but you can keep tweeting and asking if that gives you hope.

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That reasoning is pretty dumb and reeks of fanboyism. Sony loses literally nothing about crossplay. If anything, not allowing crossplay is a bad business decisions. Bad for Sony, bad for developers, bad for consumers. There's no defending this shit.
Some decently popular games haven't released on PS4 yet because Sony isn't willing to budge on this. How in the fuck is this good for anyone?

People comparing not allowing cross online play is as anti consumer as lootboxes, online passes, Xbox One launch DRM are being ridiculous. I own a PS4 and lack of cross online play isn't something I am going to cry over.

Lootboxes are way for Devs to prey in people with gambling habits, whether it's pay 2 win or just cosmetic is something way more important for people to tackle.

Magwik said:

Okay but why do none of these types of posts, speaking in behalf of the company, never mention why I should give a shit as a consumer or why this kind posturing matters on their point of view.

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I am not "speaking on behalf of the company".. lol... wtf...

I am just telling you that this crossplay dream isn't going to happen, as long as the other stuff isn't happening....

FairyEmpire said:

It is, but so are online passes, lootboxes, on-disc DLCs, broken launches, etc.. Yet, we fight against those but this one is kind of a weak argument for most people, and I'm not sure why: it would only have benefits for consumers, no downsides. And that quote you are referring to is not wrong, if anything possibly misinterpreted: since most of the people playing on PC are using Microsoft services (which start at Windows but possibly include Windows Store, Azure, OneDrive, Hotmail, Office, etc.), they are, by all means, Microsoft users. If we were to look at it this way, Microsoft has an infinitely larger userbase than Sony, even if for Sony we decide to include their TVs, media players, phones, etc..

So yeah, it's driven by competitive thinking, you're not wrong, but since it fucks us over as customers we should stand up against it. By voting for them with our wallets we're essentially telling them that what they're doing is perfectly fine, and nothing will change until this shit starts hurting their bottom line.

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I buy MP third party games on PC do I do vote with my wallet!

I don't agree with their thinking: I'm not even sure they're right in assuming it's better not to have cross play; in that I don't think it would hurt their sales or splits at all.

I'm just noting they appear to have a clear stance against it and it seems competitive in nature. They're not being evil for the sake of it. Heck if the splits were reversed i suspect MS would refuse Sony cross play and focus on PC/Xbox only.

The closed nature of consoles in my view has seen all three make non consumer choices and no doubt will continue too.

It's why I overall favour PC and push against MS there when they try and close it off a bit.

Great news for MS for finally pulling their finger out and sorting out Cross-play in fortnite for Xbox One and other platforms. Sony has had this from launch and so I don't understand why MS wsas dragging their feet.

At least now, on both sides, no gamers are left out in the cold. PS4 players have a larger player pool to play with and Xbox One gamer do too.

Sony apparently isn't going to let PS4 players play with Xbox players, and while I understand that this would suck for some players who want it, it's easy to understand why Sony are blocking this. At least now, however, Xbox players can cross-play with PC, Mac and Mobile same as PS4 players could.

So regardless of whether XBox-PS4 players can cross-play with each other or not, at least both sides are still enjoying the benefits of cross-play. Which is a good thing in my view.

Lurcharound said:

I buy MP third party games on PC do I do vote with my wallet!

I don't agree with their thinking: I'm not even sure they're right in assuming it's better not to have cross play; in that I don't think it would hurt their sales or splits at all.

I'm just noting they appear to have a clear stance against it and it seems competitive in nature. They're not being evil for the sake of it. Heck if the splits were reversed i suspect MS would refuse Sony cross play and focus on PC/Xbox only.

The closed nature of consoles in my view has seen all three make non consumer choices and no doubt will continue too.

It's why I overall favour PC and push against MS there when they try and close it off a bit.

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This is fantastic .
So you think that console NEED to be closed by definition? And what about evolving ? Before Ms pushing for online gaming on console that was pretty much a pipe dream ..

given the comments sections of places like youtube i dread to think what that would be like in terms of communication. lol

but options are good, as long as you were never forced to play with other platforms (since i'd argue balance would be at risk), i don't see why it shouldn't be there. but i still understand why it isn't happening. it's not a huge deal either way for me. it's not like either platform are going to be short on people to play with. i'd argue it's more important for titles that don't have a huge following to begin with for the sake of sustaining a playerbase that otherwise wouldn't be there.

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:

Great news for MS for finally pulling their finger out and sorting out Cross-play in fortnite for Xbox One and other platforms. Sony has had this from launch and so I don't understand why MS wsas dragging their feet.

At least now, on both sides, no gamers are left out in the cold. PS4 players have a larger player pool to play with and Xbox One gamer do too.

Sony apparently isn't going to let PS4 players play with Xbox players, and while I understand that this would suck for some players who want it, it's easy to understand why Sony are blocking this. At least now, however, Xbox players can cross-play with PC, Mac and Mobile same as PS4 players could.

So regardless of whether XBox-PS4 players can cross-play with each other or not, at least both sides are still enjoying the benefits of cross-play. Which is a good thing in my view.

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I know it would be horrible but How you would feel if ms would block crossplay between windows and PlayStation you would understand them?

KORNdog said:

given the comments sections of places like youtube i dread to think what that would be like in terms of communication. lol

but options are good, as long as you were never forced to play with other platforms (since i'd argue balance would be at risk), i don't see why it shouldn't be there. but i still understand why it isn't happening. it's not a huge deal either way for me. it's not like either platform are going to be short on people to play with. i'd argue it's more important for titles that don't have a huge following to begin with for the sake of sustaining a playerbase that otherwise wouldn't be there.

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The way they've done fortnite means you're not forced.

But PS4-Xbox crossplay doesn't have any balance issues. PC yes. But cross-console - no.

I d love cross with xbox guys but it wont happen.

Sony spent millions (billions?) and years to create attractive platform, with exclusives, dlc deals with third party. My friend bought x platform so i must do the same to play with him.
Same people in ecosystem etc.

One big game d probably open floodgate for other games. Thats my understanding.

Zappy said:

The way they've done fortnite means you're not forced.

But PS4-Xbox crossplay doesn't have any balance issues. PC yes. But cross-console - no.

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Actually there is no balance issues either way.

TheTruthofKayle said:

This is fantastic .
So you think that console NEED to be closed by definition? And what about evolving ? Before Ms pushing for online gaming on console that was pretty much a pipe dream ..

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I don't think they need to be but all 3 - including MS still - clearly prefer them to be though. It's still a market strategy pursued via focus on exclusive content (be it full games or merely in game content).

As noted with a better platform already available to me - PC - that's where I focus. Consoles are exclusive content devices for me. Those who focus on consoles need to fight to open it up. What can i say: my bet's on PC currently and that's my focus.

TheTruthofKayle said:

So I'm sure you are totally with Ms when they trying to push away steam with uwp and making de facto the only console directly compatible with PC the xbox right?

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How is those two things the same? Sony worked hard to get to were they are after the fiasco that was PS3. So they creating an atractive console for mass market and it paied of. UWP is MS trying to strong arm devs to use UWP instead of win32 for there own benefit? Cmon man......

foamdino said:

It would not surprise me if this is being held up by legal agreements etc. that were written/created at a time when none of the 3 console companies thought about cross play. Last gen nintendo hardly even had an online presence and Microsoft was famously against the idea.

Now it may be the case that there's a lot of unpicking previous agreements from 3rd parties and licensing of tech that runs Live/PSN.

Kudos to Microsoft for getting their act together about this quickly, but it really wouldn't shock me if there's something in TOS of Live that the Sony lawyers are just not going to accept without it being adjusted (or vice-versa, but right now it looks like Sony is the blocker here).

If crossplay is achieved via

Player on Live -> 3rd party (ie Epic) <- Player on PSN

Then the issue is that the 3rd party has to manage the connections from both which I think would be more palatable for Sony than direct Live <-> PSN connections.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the technology is certainly capable and obviously ready for this, so based on what we know for sure it's either:
* Prior legal stuff that needs to be untangled/negotiated
* Sony being dicks

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It's 100% on Sony. We have at least 6 developers so far literally saying it's good to go but Sony won't allow it. Not really sure how this is still up for debate.

PSN does not interact with XBL directly in games like rocket league or fortnite. It's all done through a third party server/service, and for all PSN knows it is playing with PC players.

There is literally nothing other than Sony preventing this. The rocket league Devs and seemingly the fortnite devs can turn full PC/XB1/PS4 cross play on at the flick of a switch - epic have "accidentally" done it already, and psyonix have said it's a phone call away and it would be done before you could walk out of the room.

upinsmoke said:

How do you theoretically go about playing on the psn with Xbox live users? I take it you would need to sign into a Xbox/MS portal?

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Third party "man in the middle" server basically. It facilitates everything through a separate account, so PSN doesn't actually interact with XBL and vice versa.

KALOSMANI said:

People comparing not allowing cross online play is as anti consumer as lootboxes, online passes, Xbox One launch DRM are being ridiculous. I own a PS4 and lack of cross online play isn't something I am going to cry over.

Lootboxes are way for Devs to prey in people with gambling habits, whether it's pay 2 win or just cosmetic is something way more important for people to tackle.

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I don't think anybody said that the lack of crossplay is as bad as lootboxes, they were merely being examples out there of decisions that end up hurting the end user (some more, some less). Things will only change for the better if Sony sees their bottom line hurting by the lack of crossplay. You can achieve that by putting light on the issue on the Internet to raise awareness and by voting with your wallet, eg. buying cross-play versions of the games rather than the one on PS4. Just like people had every right to "punish" Microsoft for their DRM or EA for their lootboxes, people have every right to do the same with Sony and their block on cross-play. Nothing wrong with that.

They can beg all they like but if it isn't in sony's best interest, then it will never happen. As is, if they did allow it, that would be one of the most idiotic moves any company could ever make. I also don't see how this affects the majority of PS4 consumers. I'd bet they dgaf.

TheTruthofKayle said:

I know it would be horrible but How you would feel if ms would block crossplay between windows and PlayStation you would understand them?

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Well, it's a pointless comparison, because (a) that's not possible for MS to do and (b) huh?

No cross-play between Xbox and Playstation is understandable because Sony and MS are direct competitors in the marketplace. Whether it's MS or Sony blocking it, to me it doesn't make a difference because it's not something I would intuitively expect to ever happen.

It's like expecting AMD and NVidia to forgo their own self-interests and work together for the benefit of the consumer alone—it's a pipedream.

Ludens said:

Isnt the poor multi-billion coporation MS in this case? They are the once begging for it?

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I thought it was clear from the first page that it was players that were begging for it.

So here's the thing. We can acknowledge that Sony is preventing this. Just like how we can acknowledge why Sony is preventing it.

So what is it that people want to discuss in this thread knowing those things? Is this thread supposed to just be a "Sony sucks" echo chamber or do people at least want to try to figure out ways to at least spread the appeal of cross play to those who don't care in hopes it can change Sony's mind? Because it seems like a lot of people are leaning towards the former.

Ludens said:

How is those two things the same? Sony worked hard to get to were they are after the fiasco that was PS3. So they creating an atractive console for mass market and it paied of. UWP is MS trying to strong arm devs to use UWP instead of win32 for there own benefit? Cmon man......

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So you think that Ms didn't worked hard (continuing to doing to) to won the Os's leadership on PC ? And you think that sony isn't strong arming little devs forcing them to smaller user base? Or even more to choose their platform instead of others to start with ? They both playing their card on their strength

Nitpicker_Red said:

I thought it was clear from the first page that it was players that were begging for it.

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Then you have missed all the tweets and interviews from MS reps.

BernardoOne said:

I know you love making dumb excuses for multi million dollar companies that are actively anti-consumer and anti-reflection, but you do realize Sony doesn't need to "focus" on shit to allow it, certainly? Like, it requires no effort on their part. There are zero resources needed for it. This wouldn't have any impact on games being made. That literally isn't how shit works. Psyonix devs already have literally everything worked out for crossplay for more than a year now. Literally the only thing Sony needs to say is "Yes".
Take off your dumb fanboy glasses for one second.

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Again.
You can vote by your wallet.
And it's more easier than you thought to buy a console or pc/ios game in order to play with your friends. Several of my friends bought playstation 4 for the first time only because they want to play Monster Hunter World cooperation with me. They used to be Steam players.You can't say the strategy doesn't make money as this is a case that 1 player, like me, bringing in a lot of more new platform console players into this gen.

What I can't understand for such a topic is that as you know the answer is NO, why still make the same topic again? From MC to Fornite. You can even make this an OT| Why Sony refuse cross play. and update again and again with new titles that MS want to work out.

What a waste of time.

Can't believe there are still people defending worldwide companies "but it's in their best interest!" smh

Yeah maybe it's in their best interest (I just don't know that myself), but it's not in MY interest and I'm pretty sure it's not in the interest of most customers and as such we should be complaining about it in the same way we can complain about anything we think goes against our interest, such as DRM, Kinect, micro-transactions, lootboxes, whatever.

FairyEmpire said:

I don't think anybody said that the lack of crossplay is as bad as lootboxes, they were merely being examples out there of decisions that end up hurting the end user (some more, some less). Things will only change for the better if Sony sees their bottom line hurting by the lack of crossplay. You can achieve that by putting light on the issue on the Internet to raise awareness and by voting with your wallet, eg. buying cross-play versions of the games rather than the one on PS4. Just like people had every right to "punish" Microsoft for their DRM or EA for their lootboxes, people have every right to do the same with Sony and their block on cross-play. Nothing wrong with that.

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Well you can do that. I guess vote.woth your wallet. For me personally lack of cross play doesn't bother me. In the UK the userbase is massive for PS4 so I don't have trouble finding online games in any online game I'm interested in. Also all my friends own a PS4 so I am able to play with them.

I personally think a business should not be forced to do anything unless they are actually abusing things like online passes, microtransactions and etc. Not allowing cross play from their own platform is not something that makes Sony evil. I understand if you are massive are able cross play then I suggest you purchase platforms that incorporate cross play. Luckily I'm not fussed and I have a big enough pool to play online games against. Also if I was a business owner and had the biggest markets hare I would also ban cross play. It's like letting people bring their own food in the cinemas or letting people eat KFC in McDonalds, you don't make the cut from microtransactions. To turn Sony into villains for this is ridiculous. We have had a lot of people making threads about this but there is a reason why there isn't a outcry and this hasn't taken off like Battlefront 2 lootbox and Xbox One DRM launch scenarios. Cause those things are not comparable. Anyways I'm out for this thread, keep fighting the good fight I'm sure one day Sony will be like user from ResetEra and few people on Twitter said...... Let's allow cross play, but I'm not holding my breath. It's a world we live in entitled gamer internet age so I'm not surprised.

Edit: Also wanted to note my cousin bought a PS4 who is primarily a PC gamer to play Monster Hunter World with a few of us online. If they announced cross online play he would have waited for PC version. So don't made money from a new PS4 purchase, cut from Monster Hunter World sale, online fee and any future purchases my cousin makes including cut from future Monster Hunter DLC. As my cousin now owns a PS4 he is going to buy some PS4 only exclusives just bought Shadow of Collosus and he is also checking out Ratchet which he got from PSN+.