Depends on the manufacturer and how the tv was built.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Depends on the manufacturer and how the tv was built.
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I can see manufacturers giving older models the finger even if they're capable of receiving the feature. :/
holy crap, you're not even kidding
the blooming is not even the worst part. it looks like it take half a second to react, like look at the bottom left when the purple carpet goes away.
Samsung only has vrr on it's top end model?
To me that signals companies know vrr will be a heavily requested feature which means I expect it as an upsell feature in higher end models. Expect to pay extra for it.
Out of curiosity have you tried the "fake" HDR setting for hd movies. I've found it to be not horrible for movies after tweaking the medium setting. I typically only use this for older movies. I watched the original Ghostbusters and Gremlins 2 in this mode.
To me that signals companies know vrr will be a heavily requested feature which means I expect it as an upsell feature in higher end models. Expect to pay extra for it.
Out of curiosity have you tried the "fake" HDR setting for hd movies. I've found it to be not horrible for movies after tweaking the medium setting. I typically only use this for older movies. I watched the original Ghostbusters and Gremlins 2 in this mode.
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tokkun , if I'm understanding, 2.1 allows all of these new features, but the devices (both the TV and the devices connected to the TV) still have to "opt in" on the individual items (e.g. VRR, eARC, etc).
So while we're all expecting 2.1 to hit in 2019, there's really no guarantee that ANY TV will tick all of the boxes out of the gate?
So while we're all expecting 2.1 to hit in 2019, there's really no guarantee that ANY TV will tick all of the boxes out of the gate?
I guess the next question is whether we think a 2.0 receiver/sound bar would be able to pass through those things. I mean, we did have the baffling scenario with PSVR where the original breakout box couldn't pass through HDR.
To be fair, it's impossible to tell if the blooming you see there is from the tv or camera induced. You can probably find footage where it appears OLED also has blooming.
Nah, VRR/Freesync is available from the NU8000 midrange set on up to the top end QLED.
Nah, VRR/Freesync is available from the NU8000 midrange set on up to the top end QLED.
Well I have a 2016 QLED, so perhaps they weren't that good back then. But I have been very unimpressed with it. A lot of Bloom, and don't get much out of its HDR. Amazon is coming to get it this Thursday. So until then I will be wasting a lot of time pondering do I get a the new Sony 900E or wait for E, or just spring for a 65inch OLED.
Actually getting some decent prices for a new LG OLED 65 inch. Like £2,300, which I won't feel too bad letting go of. Just don't wanna spend close to £3000.
A state of the art 65inch OLED does fill me with a lot of excitement. I am an OLED believer. Hell I still play games on a vita OLED due to how much I love gaming on an OLED screen. Also got the Iphone X mostly for that lovely OLED.
Actually getting some decent prices for a new LG OLED 65 inch. Like £2,300, which I won't feel too bad letting go of. Just don't wanna spend close to £3000.
A state of the art 65inch OLED does fill me with a lot of excitement. I am an OLED believer. Hell I still play games on a vita OLED due to how much I love gaming on an OLED screen. Also got the Iphone X mostly for that lovely OLED.
Off-axis viewing will always show blooming with a full-array local dimming LCD.
The LCD panel in front will lose brightness and contrast while the LED zones do not. It tends to be barely visible to the eye unless you are viewing in a dim or dark room.
It's hardly a brightly-lit environment they were filming in, and the camera is over-exposed in many shots - which always reveals blooming that is not visible to the eye.
I say these things as someone with a FALD LCD TV, not as someone trying to defend Samsung.
You'll never eliminate blooming on a FALD LCD TV, but when viewed on-axis in-person, it can look very good.
You can just as easily point out things like the off-axis white shifting and poor color reproduction on OLEDs, but most people don't find that to be an issue either (though both do bother me).
For an LCD, it's looking very good in those shots - though you can never really tell anything concrete from a video.
This is something I'd be a bit concerned about though. The LED zones should not be lagging behind the image like that.
Nice Q9, very nice.
With my Sony FALD LCD, if you put it in game mode the zones lag behind the image by 1 frame, but they do that to reduce latency, and never switch the zones entirely off when it's active.
In movie mode it's in sync with the image, and never does anything like that.
It could just be the camera, being slow on the transition, but one thing is for sure, blooming is definitely being picked up, HDR will be interesting for sure, especially in a pitch black room.
To be fair to manufacturers, it may be that their hardware simply is not capable of variable refresh rate or that it would require a lot of work. VRR is sort of in a different class of features compared to eARC, HDR10+, or auto latency in that it requires more fundamental changes to the processing pipeline of the TV set. Some TV makers invest a lot in their video processing features (motion interpolation, upscaling, etc) and it may not be trivial to rework them to operate at variable frequency.
Strictly speaking, the precise definition of what is required to be labeled HDMI 2.1 is not finalized yet. That will happen when the HDMI 2.1 compliance test is released, which is supposed to happen in Q2. However the word on the street up to this point has been that these features are optional. It seems very unlikely to me that any consumer TV will offer ALL features of HDMI 2.1 in 2019. For instance, I would be surprised to see any generally available consumer model support 10K / 120 video format that is part of the standard. "HDMI 2.1" has become something of a meaningless buzzword. You just need to pick out the specific features that are important to you and look for a set that offers those features, whether it is labeled as HDMI 2.1 or not.
Yeah, that's a good question, considering that passthrough of Dolby Vision requires receiver support.
They lost all credibility with the over praise they gave the 2017 Q9...
I am guessing it has less than 500 zones..holy crap, you're not even kidding
the blooming is not even the worst part. it looks like it take half a second to react, like look at the bottom left when the purple carpet goes away.
Digital Trends are prettttttty bad. Low effort, non-detailed crap.
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Shit guys, I always flip flop between my setups. I know everyone always prefer bigger, but damn, I enjoy using my 55 inch OLED better than the 65 inch for gaming.
Sitting 5.5 feet away, it provides the best combination of high DPI and ability to subdue flaws. Sub native content is way more appealing when less stretched on the smaller display.
There's definitely more of a supersampling effect going on, makes sense cause the DPI is higher. Smaller pixels and that. Functions well as a monitor too at the above distance.
Movies are a different beast, much prefer experiencing that on larger displays.
I couldn't wait any longer. Bought an OLED. John Lewis kindly price-matched an online retailer so I've paid for it and it'll be delivered next Saturday.
This is more thrilling right now than a new generation of consoles. I'm sure the difference is going to be lovely.
So excited.
Quick question: Read that I shouldn't play games on a new OLED for the first 200 hours or so. Anyone here had any issue cranking her up and playing on her straight away? After all it'd be rude not to shove Gran Turismo Sport on it pretty much straight away!
This is more thrilling right now than a new generation of consoles. I'm sure the difference is going to be lovely.
So excited.
Quick question: Read that I shouldn't play games on a new OLED for the first 200 hours or so. Anyone here had any issue cranking her up and playing on her straight away? After all it'd be rude not to shove Gran Turismo Sport on it pretty much straight away!
You are kidding, I pretty much just gamed on it, since the first time I put it on, honesty don't worry about it, the only thing you might want to be mindful of, is not getting it calibrated before the first 200 hours or so, but that's it. Enjoy :)
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Nah, you're good to go. Just keep the anti-retention features like pixel shift enabled. For some reason I had it disabled and ended up with a Netflix logo permanently burnt in.
With a 10" difference, I'd take OLED over LED. If you're talking 20"-30"+, that's when you start having a serious size vs IQ convo, in my eyes
Sorry, I'm new to all of this, do you mean calling a guy to calibrate my TV? And if yes, why?
Some people say that's the break in period. During that time, the colors and levels of your TV may still be settling in
For me, the more important thing is what happens if you pay $400 to calibrate your set and realize a week into owning it that it's not the set for you? Waiting a few months is a safe bet in that regard.
I don't think we have calibrators here in Kuwait :/ I'll have to look into how I can calibrate myself.
There are plenty of nearly centered shots (they are still slightly off-axis, but only by a slight degree) where it's easy to see issues with the local dimming. Also, how many people actually don't watch TV in a dim or dark environment at least some of the time?
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Do you have a source for the not playing on the tv? is there any particular reason? i have not heard this before, maybe they want you to have someone calibrate it before being used?
When i got mine I had to wait for my move to deliver my gaming stuff so I only had access to youtube and netflix and i used to that semi calibrate the tv. Once i got my tv and consoles i set up everything properly, but no idea how much time i spent on the tv before that happened.
Something that you should be aware of that scared the crap out of me on the TV was sun stains. Just try to not leave the tv in direct sunlight or where sun bounces hard on to it. I just refreshed the pixels and that did the trick when i got an aura but it scared the shit out of me.
Like I said, the camera is over-exposed for many of these shots. I'm not saying that it will be free of blooming, but FALD displays typically do not look like that when you see them in person.
You can tell that it's overexposed from that bright blue glow.
Here's an example of an overexposed image next to a properly exposed image:
Blooming is always there, but not half as bad as the overexposed image makes it look - and that's an off-axis shot. On-axis, it's less visible. You cannot judge a FALD display based on videos / photos.
You'll never get the same inky blacks as an OLED display with an LCD - not even if you combined those 1,000,000:1 native contrast IPS panels Panasonic developed with a local dimming system.
But OLED is hardly free of problems either. It does black very well, but is less-good at near-black transitions, and is not even comparable in terms of brightness for HDR.
I need an HDMI switch that supports all the latest 4K bells and whistles. I'd like 8 or so ports, but I can make due with fewer if I have to.
Anyone know of such a beast that exists and works? I could buy a receiver but really don't need features outside of the switch.
Anyone know of such a beast that exists and works? I could buy a receiver but really don't need features outside of the switch.
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24-month zero interest financing.
Aside from that, jumping in to 4k on a budget is fine if you can sacrifice some things. That 600 dollar TCL P series seems like a good buy and is very affordable.
The TCL P series (6 Series for 2018) checks a ton of boxes. What are your use cases where this wouldn't meet your needs (and budget)?
It's over my max budget, and I can't even find it in the UK.
These are my options with all the filters set: https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/searc...3031&qid=1520859383&low-price=&high-price=400
Oh okay. Yeah, if you truly meant "budget" set (as in, say < $400 for a 50"), 4K HDR isn't there yet. You can look at the TCL s405. It's a fine set but it doesn't get bright enough to do HDR that well, it's edge lit and the uniformity isn't amazing. If you don't need a set today, wait and try to save a little more if you can.
The problem you're always gonna run into is that nobody is going to make premium TVs under 50-55 inches. If I was you I would save up the rest of the year and get a 55 inch of the best TV you can in the fall. If you don't want to budge on the size, you're not gonna get a TV that does everything you want.
As the basement work begins, I'm looking into whole house WiFi. Anyone have any experience with Ubiquiti? My router is on the top floor and as it stands, I get a "Good" signal downstairs but I have a feeling 4K streaming, games, etc. will be a lot less clean unless I beef this up.
I would say out of that list... Look into one of the Hisense models.
Thanks, it seems Hisense is very popular when it comes to more mid tier TVs, I've actually never heard of them but it seems they might be my best bet.
how does the dual database upscaling on the higher end x1 extreme sonys work? is it like the video equivalent of checkerboard rendering in terms of image quality being increased but potentially being image artifacts?
is it only applicable to specific content? is it really as good as advertised?
is it only applicable to specific content? is it really as good as advertised?
It's Samsung's marketing trying to make it look like they have something like OLED.. but it's just LCD.
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