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Secretofmateria

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Anyone come across a bug with the mission "the summit" im going to the place but no matter what i do the quest will not begin

Edit: *fixed* had to shut down and restart the game (not from the beggining) seems it was a streaming issue becasue i explored the oceans before i started the quest
 

Bahamut

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And done

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Time to do the postgame hunts, pitioss and the dungeon dungeons and then do a write up how this is still a mediocre game and a bad FF game.

Level 120 at 47 hours? Never completed any of the post-game? I wouldn't enjoy it either. How did you get enough EXP for 120? Did you just grind? I was level 44 with 31 hours or so when I first beat the game. Currently I'm at 114 hours at level 104. I played through sealed dungeouns, DLC and completed enough hunts for the Zwill Crossblades. Didn't touch Pitioss though (yet). Really interested to see what you did in order to get to 120 without playing any of the extra content, but it really doesn't sound enjoyable.
 

Koozek

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finally buying the Royal Pack tomorrow. Can I get confirmation that loading my main game save and not chapter-selecting will allow me to go into Chapter 14 without wiping my hunt and quest progress?
From what I understand there's unfortunately still no way unless your old save is from before chapter 14 (?), but maybe someone else knows better (Ignis DarkLordMalik Ishiro Bazztek). This really seems cumbersome for people who already beat the game. They should give an option to reset Insomnia to the new version if you load your post-game save and return there through Umbra.
 

Vashetti

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Oct 27, 2017
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From what I understand there's unfortunately still no way unless your old save is from before chapter 14 (?), but maybe someone else knows better (Ignis DarkLordMalik Ishiro Bazztek). This really seems cumbersome for people who already beat the game. They should give an option to reset Insomnia to the new version if you load your post-game save and return there through Umbra.

Whaaaaaat. How could they have implemented this so poorly? I may just do a new game+. What carries over?
 

Mifec

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Level 120 at 47 hours? Never completed any of the post-game? I wouldn't enjoy it either. How did you get enough EXP for 120? Did you just grind? I was level 44 with 31 hours or so when I first beat the game. Currently I'm at 114 hours at level 104. I played through sealed dungeouns, DLC and completed enough hunts for the Zwill Crossblades. Didn't touch Pitioss though (yet). Really interested to see what you did in order to get to 120 without playing any of the extra content, but it really doesn't sound enjoyable.
I already played the game once on PS4 when it came out, thought it was a really bad FF game and a mediocre game on it's own but I wanted to give it another chance with all the DLC. I basically did the same thing as then, did all the quests and hunts I could, barely the ones I couldn't and rested at Galdin, I went to Altissia at level 78, after that I just did all the same stuff with xp 3x from the hotel. Admontoise pushed me to 100 and I cheat engined the last 20 before Ardyn.(that part was new)
 

Bahamut

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I already played the game once on PS4 when it came out, thought it was a really bad FF game and a mediocre game on it's own but I wanted to give it another chance with all the DLC. I basically did the same thing as then, did all the quests and hunts I could, barely the ones I couldn't and rested at Galdin, I went to Altissia at level 78, after that I just did all the same stuff with xp 3x from the hotel. Admontoise pushed me to 100 and I cheat engined the last 20 before Ardyn.(that part was new)

Yea....I think you like this game more than you care to admit. Either that or you are a glutton for punishment.
 

DarkLordMalik

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From what I understand there's unfortunately still no way unless your old save is from before chapter 14 (?), but maybe someone else knows better (Ignis DarkLordMalik Ishiro Bazztek). This really seems cumbersome for people who already beat the game. They should give an option to reset Insomnia to the new version if you load your post-game save and return there through Umbra.
That's true. I just wanted new content asap so I decided to take the bitter pill and played using chapter select but the progress that I made there is useless because I can't carry it to end game unless I wanna do all the sidestuff again.

Best way is through new game plus and this is actually the ideal way to play through royal pack because all the post launch updates plus new content makes it better and you also get armiger unleashed so combat feels different. Although sidequests are gone in this way too so....
 

PlanetSmasher

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From what I understand there's unfortunately still no way unless your old save is from before chapter 14 (?), but maybe someone else knows better (Ignis DarkLordMalik Ishiro Bazztek). This really seems cumbersome for people who already beat the game. They should give an option to reset Insomnia to the new version if you load your post-game save and return there through Umbra.

Funny thing: I was at my friend's house on Wednesday and he used Umbra to warp into Chapter 14, and when he did, the game started with the cutscene of the bros at the front gate of Insomnia and Noctis put on the ring. I don't know how he managed to pull it off, but his Umbra warp did reset him to the beginning of C14. I have to assume it was a glitch. I was so upset.
 

Vashetti

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Funny thing: I was at my friend's house on Wednesday and he used Umbra to warp into Chapter 14, and when he did, the game started with the cutscene of the bros at the front gate of Insomnia and Noctis put on the ring. I don't know how he managed to pull it off, but his Umbra warp did reset him to the beginning of C14. I have to assume it was a glitch. I was so upset.

Gonna back up my save and try this tomorrow! Is that Noctis and the ring scene new then? I can't remember.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Gonna back up my save and try this tomorrow! Is that Noctis and the ring scene new then? I can't remember.

It seemed to be generally the same scene as I saw the first time I played through the game. But sure enough, he got to do the entire Insomnia dungeon as if he was experiencing it for the first time despite doing it via a timewarp. I have no idea how it happened. When I did it, it warped me to the bathroom right in front of the gate to the Citadel.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Is this the definitive and final version of the game?

There is another season of DLC coming and the game will be supported into next year. But as far as "definitive" goes, I think the changes they made to the endgame basically cement it as finally being "done", as far as what it needed in the first place.

The stuff they're adding over this next year largely seems to be supplementary content for fans of the actual game itself, rather than "we need to fix the broken stuff so people will buy it". Episode Ardyn won't matter to anyone who hasn't already played FFXV, for example.
 

Lukar

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Is this the definitive and final version of the game?
There are four more additional DLCs coming over the next year or so, and there's no word on if they'll be in a second season pass, free or paid (though I highly doubt they'll be free), only sold separately, etc. However, at this point, the main story (focused on Noctis and the rest of the party) is as complete as it'll ever be— these new DLCs will be focused on other characters.

No doubt there'll eventually be one more version of the game that is basically the Royal Edition plus those new DLCs, but really, there's not much of a reason to not jump in now.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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Whaaaaaat. How could they have implemented this so poorly? I may just do a new game+. What carries over?

https://www.dualshockers.com/how-final-fantasy-xv-new-game-plus-works-what-carries-over/

You keep the following :

  • Experience and levels
  • Ascension skill progression
  • Survival, Fishing, Cooking and Photography levels.
  • Outfits (it will literally load you at the beginning of the game with the clothes you had in your last save, so you might want to change into something fitting for that first scene)
  • Weapons (The Engine Blade is an exception, and it will be reset to its starting conditions)
  • Royal Arms
  • Accessories
  • Items
  • Gil
  • Spells
  • Ignis' Recipes
  • Regalia Customization and customization colors, decals and components (excluding the Type-F upgrade, unfortunately. No flying from the beginning)
  • Ability to rent chocobos and your chocobo customization
All story progression, quests, hunting rank and hunts completion will be reset.

I guess this means your Carnival/Festival stuff also carries over, right? What about bestiary? Anything else not carrying over worth noting?
 

Vic_Viper

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What is the best way to earn Gil quickly early in the game? Is there anything considered Vendor Trash? The Oracle Ascension Coins?
 

AlanOC91

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Uh is it just me or is Ignis "Overwhelm" ability a bit OP? On Chapter 5 and it's wrecking everything.
 

DarkLordMalik

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Huh, gotta check that out. Didn't notice that when I watched streams of the new chapter 14.
I am pretty sure it is a completely new scene and it fits well with the ending because you see Noctis utilizing it then. I find it better than whatever they had before. It is only seen if you start ch 14 from scratch, I think. Just like people missed the Cor stuff, maybe someone missed it too.
 

Lunatic

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Whoever designed Costlemark tower needs to be fired. Worst gameplay experience I've probably ever had >.>
 

Koozek

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I am pretty sure it is a completely new scene and it fits well with the ending because you see Noctis utilizing it then. I find it better than whatever they had before. It is only seen if you start ch 14 from scratch, I think. Just like people missed the Cor stuff, maybe someone missed it too.
Okay, I'm seeing it right now and yeah, it is different and extended. Definitely better now. Comparison:

Old version:


New version:
 

DarkLordMalik

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Okay, I'm seeing it right now and yeah, it is different and extended. Definitely better now. Comparison:

Old version:


New version:

Another important thing to mention here is regarding the ending. I noticed two major changes that keep in mind I never saw when i replayed ending around March 2017.

First change
Ardyn when he is killed in mortal world talks about going to Beyond and how he can't be killed as he has died in the past but returns always returns as a demon. This is very important because we had no idea this afterlife is called Beyond and it also sheds more light on why Noctis has to sacrifice himself to completely purge the demon Ardyn from Beyond.

Second change
The best cutscene at end. The bonfire one. It has a slight change to the way Noctis ends it with you guys are the best. IMO it works better now.
 

Rudolph

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Level 120 at 47 hours? Never completed any of the post-game? I wouldn't enjoy it either. How did you get enough EXP for 120? Did you just grind? I was level 44 with 31 hours or so when I first beat the game. Currently I'm at 114 hours at level 104. I played through sealed dungeouns, DLC and completed enough hunts for the Zwill Crossblades. Didn't touch Pitioss though (yet). Really interested to see what you did in order to get to 120 without playing any of the extra content, but it really doesn't sound enjoyable.

Sounds like the game design is shit.
 

Koozek

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Another important thing to mention here is regarding the ending. I noticed two major changes that keep in mind I never saw when i replayed ending around March 2017.

First change
Ardyn when he is killed in mortal world talks about going to Beyond and how he can't be killed as he has died in the past but returns always returns as a demon. This is very important because we had no idea this afterlife is called Beyond and it also sheds more light on why Noctis has to sacrifice himself to completely purge the demon Ardyn from Beyond.
He did say the Beyond thing in the original already:
https://youtu.be/K9hDyGek_Ss?t=10m2s

And where does he say the second part about his returning again? You mean during the combat or when he's on the ground and talks with Noctis (the scene linked above)? Because if it's during combat, I might've missed it because most players beat him so quickly that it probably skipped over some of his lines, lol.

Btw, the Alterna spell is called Versus in the Spanish version and its attack basically transports enemies to the "beyond/afterlife", so maybe the Beyond was supposed to be called Versus?
Second change
The best cutscene at end. The bonfire one. It has a slight change to the way Noctis ends it with you guys are the best. IMO it works better now.
Hm, I don't see a difference.

Original:


Royal:
 
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Rudolph

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No..? But glad to have an educated discussion surrounding the topic when you quit your drive-by career.

I didn't mean to drive by buy if your saying "your playing the game in a non optimal manner that isn't fun" it's an issue with the design of the game because the game design facilitates how the player plays the game. "Your playing it wrong" just proves the game has bad game design. Doesn't mean it's terrible but it does stop it from being a "great" game. You can disagree but if the game design doesn't facilitate the desired experience it's an issue with the design.
 

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Another important thing to mention here is regarding the ending. I noticed two major changes that keep in mind I never saw when i replayed ending around March 2017.

First change
Ardyn when he is killed in mortal world talks about going to Beyond and how he can't be killed as he has died in the past but returns always returns as a demon. This is very important because we had no idea this afterlife is called Beyond and it also sheds more light on why Noctis has to sacrifice himself to completely purge the demon Ardyn from Beyond.

Second change
The best cutscene at end. The bonfire one. It has a slight change to the way Noctis ends it with you guys are the best. IMO it works better now.

Those were added in the Day 1 patch.
 

THE GUY

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There is another season of DLC coming and the game will be supported into next year. But as far as "definitive" goes, I think the changes they made to the endgame basically cement it as finally being "done", as far as what it needed in the first place.

The stuff they're adding over this next year largely seems to be supplementary content for fans of the actual game itself, rather than "we need to fix the broken stuff so people will buy it". Episode Ardyn won't matter to anyone who hasn't already played FFXV, for example.
I'm curious to learn their plans for this second season.

I enjoyed FFXV mostly, even if the main story needed fleshing out, but I've not returned to it since 2016. With the announcement that their DLC plans are finishing in 2019 and with PS5 looming, I really hope Tabata makes a final edition for PS5. Maybe if he tasks it to a very small team and lets them create a more integrated experience at the same time. It'd be a good experience for those dudes too.

From what I've read, it seems like Episode Gladio would fit in without much problems as it is, and both Episode Prompto and Ignis could be worked in with some minor changes. Depending on what his plans are for Ardyn, Luna, and whatever else, a PS5 edition of FFXV with everything worked into one campaign could be quite killer.

Even the first half of the game could do with fleshing out, but I think that's not important now. With Ardyn and Luna, I would hope the focus is more on new areas. And beyond that, I'd have liked more content from Noct's POV, although that seems unlikely if he's not planning on adding to the main game now. I think the real major addition I'd want is Regis in the invasion to serve as a prologue for the game (and you could even incorporate Luna here), but that damn Kingsglaive makes that unlikely.

There would've been so much potential in a Regis and Luna invasion scenario. Not only could you integrate flashbacks to their time with Noctis and others, giving focus to those relationships and depth to their characters, the simple scenario of escaping an invasion is pretty ace in itself. A lot of potential. It would've been an excellent prologue.

Still think the most ideal DLC route should've been:

1. Insomnia Invasion Expansion - Retcons Kingsglaive, and focuses on Regis and Luna as playable characters. 5-7 hours major expansion.
2. Episode Ardyn that focuses on Niflheim.
3. Expanded Altissia with the other bros. More build up with Luna and Noctis too.
4. Expanded Tenebrae with the bros.

Something like that. Whatever the case, I'm just going to wait until 2019 for my second play through. More time away allows for it to feel fresher when I do. And I'm just going to do one big play through while playing the additional DLC at the appropriate times.
 

Vashetti

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They havn't actually said if the new DLC is a second season pass or not yet.

I imagine there won't be one. Hard to sell a second Season Pass (which is usually synonymous with including all content) when they've just released the Royal Edition, or Royal Pack for previous owners.

They'll just be individual DLCs I reckon.
 

THE GUY

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Well, whatever the case. There's going to be 4 releases so I'm sure it'll add up to something substantial. At the very least, it seems like there's going to be something focusing on Ardyn and Luna. Tabata's Famitsu interview mentioned that they're trying to spend more time to make the DLC meaningful, but that they're no longer necessarily focusing on fleshing out the current game events. It does sound like the Ardyn and Luna DLC will be somewhat standalone, and we'll probably get alternate endings in them too.

I'm just curious on what the other two will be. If he's not integrating stuff into main game anymore, then I hope he decides to focus on Ravus and Regis. Ravus would allow for some new areas and to see a different side to the current story. Regis, if only because I'd like to see a DLC set in the invasion. And you could do a lot here in fleshing out his relationship with Noctis. Show some flashbacks and explore a bit of the city too. End it with his death.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Well, whatever the case. There's going to be 4 releases so I'm sure it'll add up to something substantial. At the very least, it seems like there's going to be something focusing on Ardyn and Luna. Tabata's Famitsu interview mentioned that they're trying to spend more time to make the DLC meaningful, but that they're no longer necessarily focusing on fleshing out the current game events. It does sound like the Ardyn and Luna DLC will be somewhat standalone, and we'll probably get alternate endings in them too.

I'm just curious on what the other two will be. If he's not integrating stuff into main game anymore, then I hope he decides to focus on Ravus and Regis. Ravus would allow for some new areas and to see a different side to the current story. Regis, if only because I'd like to see a DLC set in the invasion. And you could do a lot here in fleshing out his relationship with Noctis. Show some flashbacks and explore a bit of the city too. End it with his death.

I think an Episode Ravus would be a cool idea if they almost do it as a complete "versus" XV. Like a story arc that branches off at the beginning into two arcs, one of them being "this is what Ravus wanted" and "this is what actually happened". Make it sort of like a mini-RPG where you have a kind of big (but not Lucis big) setting to explore and do things in, fleshing out his character over time. Like the Witcher 3: Blood and Wine but in FFXV, basically.
 

THE GUY

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I think an Episode Ravus would be a cool idea if they almost do it as a complete "versus" XV. Like a story arc that branches off at the beginning into two arcs, one of them being "this is what Ravus wanted" and "this is what actually happened". Make it sort of like a mini-RPG where you have a kind of big (but not Lucis big) setting to explore and do things in, fleshing out his character over time. Like the Witcher 3: Blood and Wine but in FFXV, basically.
That'd be real cool. I think his character has potential simply because you can see a lot of things from his viewpoint that you can't necessarily see with the others. Niflheim, Tenebrae, interactions with Ardyn, Luna, the Emperor etc. Just due to his position, you can make something quite interesting there.
 

Bazztek

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I would like some more Ravus stuff, I wonder if them making the outfits for Aranea, Iris, Regis and Ravus with gameplay animations and proper cloth movement on them is them testing stuff out and giving us them as outfits in Comrades first, before they decide to do other stuff with them with the actual characters in a seperate DLC.

Ravus's story line always felt to me like a more typical "fantasy" RPG kind of protagonist in contrast to Noctis, so it'd be nice to see his side as one collective thing.
 

PlanetSmasher

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That'd be real cool. I think his character has potential simply because you can see a lot of things from his viewpoint that you can't necessarily see with the others. Niflheim, Tenebrae, interactions with Ardyn, Luna, the Emperor etc. Just due to his position, you can make something quite interesting there.

I know that the leakers have said that Gralea was never intended to be an explorable "town" area, even in the Versus era of the game's development, but Episode Ravus could be set before Gralea completely fell to the Scourge. That would be a fun way to show us a completely new piece of the world.

I do fully expect ONE of the DLC pieces to finally show us Solheim, though. They keep talking about the fall of Solheim and it gets more and more important with each update they've done, to the point at which even Omega is tied into it somehow.
 

THE GUY

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I can't remember what Solheim was about, but maybe Ardyn could be tied to that? Seems like if you want to show the death of things, he's your man.

Also, even if they don't go the route of creating more towns, simply creating smaller areas would be fine. Sometimes it's about the illusion rather than actually having a lot of space to explore. I definitely want them to focus on areas outside of Lucis. We got plenty of that place in the game. Only exception being Insomia before the fall or during the actual invasion. Will gladly welcome that anytime.
 

PlanetSmasher

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I can't remember what Solheim was about, but maybe Ardyn could be tied to that? Seems like if you want to show the death of things, he's your man.

Also, even if they don't go the route of creating more towns, simply creating smaller areas would be fine. Sometimes it's about the illusion rather than actually having a lot of space to explore.

Solheim was the civilization that predated the Kingdom of Niflheim on the western continent. Ifrit was their god, and he blessed them with the light of fire, leading to a golden age of technological advancement that even outpaced the Niflheim Empire's greatest achievements. But at one point in time, the people of Solheim grew too arrogant and rebelled against Ifrit. Ifrit completely destroyed the kingdom in response, and his rage threatening to consume the entire planet is what kicked off the Astral War. Omega is one of the warmechs the Solheim kingdom designed, with the specific intended purpose of killing gods. That's why even Gentiana is unsettled when she sees him appear.

Solheim would predate even Ardyn and the story of Lucis, but I think there's definitely some content there to be mined. If they can't do it as a DLC episode, it could make an awesome "set in the same universe, but not a numbered sequel" kind of spinoff game.