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I'm going to wait and see. Jumping to conclusions is exactly what lead people to disappointment when Tropical Freeze was announced. Retro had hired an ex-Naughty Dog employee and people were convinced Retro wasn't making a DKCR sequel. Lo and behold, their game was "fucking Donkey Kong". With Reggie name dropping Donkey Kong in a recent interview andNintendo having Donkey Kong Country in their theme park plans I don't think the series is going dormant again. Maybe someone else is working on Donkey Kong, but I can't imagine who. Monster Games looks to have been busy making Nascar Heat 2. Whatever they're working on I'm excited nonetheless.

Wasn't the guy from ND just an artist? Like I dunno why people would have think it would have been anything significant unless he was one of the core writers or something.

Game has some type of online feature that is more as a definite.
 

HibbySloth

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I wouldn't be disappointed as I like DK games, but it wouldn't take 5 years of development and there's no way they would hire staff for online play for a DK title.

Wouldn't look too much in that Reggie comment too, he doesn't decides what games are made and he name dropped even Mother 3 during E3 events and nothing came out of it.

But fine, it's not 100% impossible because anything can happen, it's just really unlikely.

I get what you mean. I'm on the same page with you guys that a 2D Donkey Kong would not have taken this long. I also fail to see why a 3D Donkey Kong game would have online, unless it's a racing game or they are revisiting DK64's multiplayer...and oh god, no thanks.

I've ignored Reggie's comments up until his interview from January that hinted at Metroid. Doesn't mean I think because he named dropped Donkey Kong that one is 100% confirmed, but it did catch my attention.

Wasn't the guy from ND just an artist? Like I dunno why people would have think it would have been anything significant unless he was one of the core writers or something.

Believe me, It happened. I'm not linking the thread here but a quick google search of "Retro Studios Hires Uncharted 3, Darksider Artists" will show you the thread.
 

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Reggie just needs to fulfill the other game he name dropped....mother 3. It's getting close to about year since you've said that Reggie lol.
 

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Reggie just needs to fulfill the other game he name dropped....mother 3. It's getting close to about year since you've said that Reggie lol.

To be honest, we don't need to go that far back in time with Mother 3 teasing.

This was only four months ago.



Note: I should clarify that I don't know anything about Mother 3. I'm just saying that video game executives tease and joke about stuff all of the time.
 
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There's no doubt that Nintendo is working on more Donkey Kong considering that is a pretty big seller for them. The real questions are will it remain 2D and who is working on it?

I sincerely doubt that Retro is working on yet another 2D DK game considering the amount of time that has passed since the last one. They would just need to use the same assets and it would be done. They're either making a 3D DK or a brand new series.

Next Level Games is most likely working on Luigi's Mansion 3, LM2 is by far their most successful game and I would find hard to believe that Nintendo is not planning to do another one considering its sales.

About Metroid Prime 4, I think there's a high possibility that they've created a new team for it. They basically already said it during their announcement. The question is if they're competent enough.
 

New Fang

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These rumors of Retro making a new Diddy Kong Racing have been in the air for a couple years now. I recall some guy "in the know" (can't recall his name now) with a blog posting about it then. I believe he also claimed at the time that Nintendo's next console would be a traditional box priced at $200, so....

But the truth is I've always thought a new Diddy Kong Racing made sense. The Mario Kart games sell huge numbers, so it's easy to imagine Nintendo wanting to try and double down on that kind of game. I love racing games, so I'd welcome such a game from Retro.
 
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ILikeFeet

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If it's a new IP or new series for them it's absolutely normal. Starting from scratch and likely using a new engine all adds a lot of time to development. For comparison, Horizon Zero Dawn was a 5-6 year process for Guerilla Games. That's a much bigger studio as well(although many we're working on Killzone stuff as well). The problem with Retro is that they should probably be twice the size they are, but Nintendo doesn't seem to have managed them properly.
They are a subsidiary, they manage themselves including hiring (that's just ran through NoA's hiring page). While Nintendo can mandate they expand, they choose not to
 

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How are we sure that Retro is not working on Metroid Prime 4? Do we have any clues?
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I'll lol so hard is 3D world doesn't get a port. 1. It's on the Wii U so it didn't get the audience it deserves and with the local multiplayer focus of the game and the switch, it makes too much sense. Will LITERALLY laugh my ass off if I don't see it next year.
 
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A Super Mario 3D World packed with Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker would be simply perfect. People often complained that the latter game lacked enough content for a release so making it part of a collection should be more acceptable.
 
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EAD Ninja

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I'll lol so hard is 3D world doesn't get a port. 1. It's on the Wii U so it didn't get the audience it deserves and with the local multiplayer focus of the game and the switch, it makes too much sense. Will LITERALLY laugh my ass off if I don't see it next year.

The higher odds are that NSMB gets a DX port. We'll get 3D World someday though.

Which really brings up what "Deluxe" games are next? Smash Bros., New Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze all seem like no brainers. DKCTF would have been perfect for 2017 though...
 
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Sander VF

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My dream scenario in that regard:

Super Mario 3d All-Stars Gold

Featuring Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario 3D Land & Super Mario 3D World.
 

New Fang

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I'll lol so hard is 3D world doesn't get a port. 1. It's on the Wii U so it didn't get the audience it deserves and with the local multiplayer focus of the game and the switch, it makes too much sense. Will LITERALLY laugh my ass off if I don't see it next year.

I would love to see a 3D World port to Switch, but they just put out Odyssey, and presumably they have a 2D Mario game nearing completion, so I do have doubts about a 3D Port next year.

I also think it's possible they have a Captain Toad TT sequel in the works.
 

HibbySloth

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Sponge Yeah I just saw that thread....wow, especially people thinking it might be Zelda due to artist work lol.

Yeah, crazy right? That's why I'm just gonna wait and see what Retro's doing and not assume. Even though Retro hired someone for online, who knows. Tropical Freeze used online as well for time trials. Although I doubt that's why they hired a senior software engineer.
 
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Likely Prospects for 2018
Retro Studios - last release Winter 2014
Nintendo R&D Rhythm Tengoku team - last release Summer 2015
Nintendo R&D Tomodachi Life team - last release Spring 2016
Next Level Games - last release Summer 2016
Smash Bros. port team
Announced works like Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Kirby

Less likely Prospects for 2018
Nintendo R&D 2D Mario team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Miitopia team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Animal Crossing team - least release November 2017 (smaller team?)
NIntendo R&D Pikmin team - small team?
Nintendo R&D 2D Zelda team - small team?
NSTC - ??

See you in 2019
Game Freak - Pokemon for Switch
Nintendo TBA - Metroid Prime 4

Next Level Games brags all the time that they almost never crunch so I don't know if they'll be able to turn around a game in two years on hardware they've never worked on.

(Note that NLG is very good for not crunching)
 

Dark Cloud

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If I had to bet money on what my gut says Retro is doing I would put a million dollars on a new IP. I think it's time for them to show what they've got, but they may want to stick with the "Retro" moniker and pick an older Nintendo IP to bring back. I don't see DKC after the reception of TF. I'm sure they had plans prior to that anyways...

No matter what they do I think I'll thoroughly enjoy it, since I love all the MP and DKC games from them. Only way I may not like it is if they're making a racing game like F-Zero or some shoot'em up type of game. I don't really care for those genres. They could make an open world football RPG game and I'd be happy.
 

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Let's imagine that Aonuma is indeed working on that new IP about a thief that he mentioned one day, what could be the perfect team for that? If that's another adventure game as we can guess, Retro could also make a lot of sense.

That would be great if Retro are working on a new IP but I doubt that this IP would be 100% theirs. Instead a high profile and well known director/producer should be behind it. Tanabe is on MP4 with another studio so Aonuma working with Retro just like Miyamoto did for MP could be another possibility imo.
 
I would love to see a 3D World port to Switch, but they just put out Odyssey, and presumably they have a 2D Mario game nearing completion, so I do have doubts about a 3D Port next year.

I also think it's possible they have a Captain Toad TT sequel in the works.
The higher odds are that NSMB gets a DX port. We'll get 3D World someday though.

Which really brings up what "Deluxe" games are next? Smash Bros., New Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze all seem like no brainers. DKCTF would have been perfect for 2017 though...

Why? I think they'll just skip straight to NSMB3 if they decide to Port it over. The games are cheap to produce and reuse hella assets anyways from what I can tell. I really do think Emily had it right with Splatoon and that it was supposed to be a DX, not that the content isn't enough to justify the sequel though. 3D world is a legit good game while NSMB is just meh. I don't really see the point of making them when you they can just make another Mario maker instead, add NSMB 3d models in them and call it a day.

I also think that smash may not be a named as a DX title. I think it'll be considered smash 5 even though it'll obviously be building off of smash 4, instead of starting from scratch just like Splatoon. Donkey Kong can get a remaster of the first game built in the second games engine, that way we can play it waggle free without it being locked to 30fps like the 3DS version.
 
Let's imagine that Aonuma is indeed working on that new IP about a thief that he mentioned one day, what could be the perfect team for that? If that's another adventure game as we can guess, Retro could also make a lot of sense.

That would be great if Retro are working on a new IP but I doubt that this IP would be 100% theirs. Instead a high profile and well known director/producer should be behind it. Tanabe is on MP4 with another studio so Aonuma working with Retro just like Miyamoto did for MP could be another possibility imo.
I see them bringing an IP back over a new IP. I've always got lack of agency vibes when it comes to N.O.J.(Nintendo outside Japan). Not sure what they could bring back though. If I had to guess: they are working on a new style/genre of game that Nintendo lacks but won't feature original characters. Nintendo does this all the time, will make something that would otherwise be a new IP but pack on familiar faces to ensure sales. I hope that they give them a chance though. I think Retro could make the western centric games that they lack. They could have another Golden eye, perfect dark or killer instinct if they give Retro or even next level games the opportunity.
 
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Why? I think they'll just skip straight to NSMB3 if they decide to Port it over. The games are cheap to produce and reuse hella assets anyways from what I can tell.

It's absolutely plausible that they just develop a New Super Mario Bros. 4 or New Super Mario Bros. for Switch.

3D world is a legit good game while NSMB is just meh. I don't really see the point of making them when you they can just make another Mario maker instead, add NSMB 3d models in them and call it a day.

New Super Mario Bros. outsells the other two derivatives, especially in Japan. The important aspect is also the 2-4 local multiplayer that the Switch is specializing in.

I also think that smash may not be a named as a DX title. I think it'll be considered smash 5 even though it'll obviously be building off of smash 4, instead of starting from scratch just like Splatoon. Donkey Kong can get a remaster of the first game built in the second games engine, that way we can play it waggle free without it being locked to 30fps like the 3DS version.

Agreed. But Smash will almost certainly be a "DX" title with a non-dx subtitle. "Super Smash Bros. Switch or Super Smash Bros. Ultimate".
 

Reki

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Next Level Games brags all the time that they almost never crunch so I don't know if they'll be able to turn around a game in two years on hardware they've never worked on.

(Note that NLG is very good for not crunching)

Never heard of this. Not doubting you, but could you share a source? That sounds "refreshing" in the context of a japanese company (even though they aren't located in Japan) in an industry that lies heavily on crunch.
 

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Let's imagine that Aonuma is indeed working on that new IP about a thief that he mentioned one day, what could be the perfect team for that? If that's another adventure game as we can guess, Retro could also make a lot of sense.

That would be great if Retro are working on a new IP but I doubt that this IP would be 100% theirs. Instead a high profile and well known director/producer should be behind it. Tanabe is on MP4 with another studio so Aonuma working with Retro just like Miyamoto did for MP could be another possibility imo.

I recall in late 2015 or so, it was heavily rumored that Retro had a falling out with Tanabe, their Producer and main "connector" back to NCL. Supposedly this led to a new Producer being assigned to them, but Tanabe still overseas pretty much all Western development besides Retro.

Did we ever find out definitively that this is true? And if so, who the hell is Retro's new NCL Producer?
 

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I don't care if it's a returning franchise or a new IP - I just have my fingers crossed that it's a more Western-focused game that really fills a hole in Nintendo's lineup. I wouldn't be disappointed if it turns out to be 3D Donkey Kong or Diddy Kong Racing...but we already have those genres covered by other prominent Nintendo franchises. I really want something ambitious and new.

I'd love to see what they could do with Eternal Darkness. That's the top pick for me as far as returning franchises go.
 

Escalario

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It won't be Donkey Kong. Just give up on this, people. The people they hired, the job listings, taking years to make a game - It's looking like a new IP.

I remember few years ago people saying the same thing about Retro's WiiU game when news of them hiring people from Naughty Dog came out. And then we got Tropical Freeze :V
 

HibbySloth

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I remember few years ago people saying the same thing about Retro's WiiU game when news of them hiring people from Naughty Dog came out. And then we got Tropical Freeze :V

Exactly. History repeats itself. This is why i'm gonna wait and see. I still am not convinced the Donkey Kong series is going dormant again.
 

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Let's imagine that Aonuma is indeed working on that new IP about a thief that he mentioned one day, what could be the perfect team for that? If that's another adventure game as we can guess, Retro could also make a lot of sense.

That would be great if Retro are working on a new IP but I doubt that this IP would be 100% theirs. Instead a high profile and well known director/producer should be behind it. Tanabe is on MP4 with another studio so Aonuma working with Retro just like Miyamoto did for MP could be another possibility imo.
Aonuma is the head of the group that makes Zelda games and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I suggested a while back that maybe the group splits into different teams. One makes a BotW sequel and another makes this potential new thief IP.
 

Skittzo

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If I've learned anything in following years of Retro speculation and rumors it's this: nobody who talks has any idea what goes on in their offices.

I have no idea what they are working on, I just know it'll be great and I'm excited to see it. We can't use time frames since they could be sitting on completed games, and we know hiring info can be misleading.

So let's just be patient, whenever we finally see that logo the excitement will be that much greater.
 
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Never heard of this. Not doubting you, but could you share a source? That sounds "refreshing" in the context of a japanese company (even though they aren't located in Japan) in an industry that lies heavily on crunch.

"Don't try to 'persuade' you to work overtime."

"- Probably not the highest salaries, they are open about the fact that they don't try to get into a bidding war, instead they try to keep people happy in other areas, such as work-life balance."

"In an industry often criticized for its poor work/life balance, Next Level Games stands as a shining example of how to do it right."

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Next-Level-Games-Reviews-E115022.htm

Their reviews are really good and they've won awards in Canada for work life balance. I don't think they're going to crunch so hard to make a AAA HD game in two years after having never made an HD game before.
 

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Will the next Mario & Luigi RPG be on switch? Would love to see modern graphics for that franchise
 

Reki

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"Don't try to 'persuade' you to work overtime."

"- Probably not the highest salaries, they are open about the fact that they don't try to get into a bidding war, instead they try to keep people happy in other areas, such as work-life balance."

"In an industry often criticized for its poor work/life balance, Next Level Games stands as a shining example of how to do it right."

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Next-Level-Games-Reviews-E115022.htm

Their reviews are really good and they've won awards in Canada for work life balance. I don't think they're going to crunch so hard to make a AAA HD game in two years after having never made an HD game before.

Thanks for sharing. And yes, they aren't a big studio either, so I could see them taking more time to work on their next project.
 

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I'd love Retro to be working on first person shooter set in a cyberpunk/blade runner universe. Too bad Nintendo doesn't own the Perfect Dark IP, because I'd love Retro to take a stab at it...
 

Dekuman

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I'd love Retro to be working on first person shooter set in a cyberpunk/blade runner universe. Too bad Nintendo doesn't own the Perfect Dark IP, because I'd love Retro to take a stab at it...

PD might as well be an entirely new IP at this point. The sales gain for the Perfect Dark brand is probably tiny.
 

MetalLord

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"Don't try to 'persuade' you to work overtime."

"- Probably not the highest salaries, they are open about the fact that they don't try to get into a bidding war, instead they try to keep people happy in other areas, such as work-life balance."

"In an industry often criticized for its poor work/life balance, Next Level Games stands as a shining example of how to do it right."

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Next-Level-Games-Reviews-E115022.htm

Their reviews are really good and they've won awards in Canada for work life balance. I don't think they're going to crunch so hard to make a AAA HD game in two years after having never made an HD game before.

They were working in a console game parallel to federation force, its not gonna be just 2 years
 

Dark Cloud

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I'd love Retro to be working on first person shooter set in a cyberpunk/blade runner universe. Too bad Nintendo doesn't own the Perfect Dark IP, because I'd love Retro to take a stab at it...

Retro can make a new shooter IP for Nintendo. They can make IP's Nintendo doesn't have in their portfolio and a Perfect Dark type of game would be great.
 
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I'm not even sure if Alpha Dream will make more Mario & Luigi games. The remake bombed hard in Japan and expect it to be the same case everywhere.
Probably because it came out this late in the 3DS' life, when most people Japan are moving on to the Switch. Many 3DS games this year preformed bellow expectations because of that.
 
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I'm not even sure if Alpha Dream will make more Mario & Luigi games. The remake bombed hard in Japan and expect it to be the same case everywhere.

Probably because it came out this late in the 3DS' life, when most people Japan are moving on to the Switch. Many 3DS games this year preformed bellow expectations because of that.

While the declining sales of the 3DS might be one of the factors for the poor performance of the last Mario & Luigi, I think the fact that the last few entries were pretty disappointing contributed a lot to it. Graphics aside, the series has refused to evolve aside from a few gimmicks here and there and doesn't offer the same level of excitement as before.

Hell, even the remake of Superstar Saga is a downgrade from the original in several aspects (and style-wise, is even worse somehow). I wish that Alpha Dream would improve the formula by making it more focused on exploration like the first game promised but I don't know if they still got it.
 

Dark Cloud

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The Paper Mario Jam game was so boring. Like it's been said the series hasn't evolved and Nintendo picked Mario and Luigi to be the "RPG" Mario series.

Yeah screw that. Paper Mario should be the RPG Mario series. I want a return to the RPG genre with the next game. Color Splash bombed out of this world and everyone let their voices be known for two games in a row (SS and CS).
 

N75

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I'm still confused why Superstar Saga got a remake. Love the game but it's so unnecessary
It was probably quicker to get out for the end of the 3DS' life and they could just use the Dream Team/Paper Jam engine. Paper Jam to Bowser's Minions was the shortest gap between M&L games.

We know based on the eShop server that the game had been finished by April at the latest.
 
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