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I mean...with Kirby and Yoshi already announced, and a 2D Mario inevitably making an appearance sooner rather than later - do we really need another 2D platformer from Nintendo anytime soon? I would definitely be disappointed.
If it's 2D most definitely. It'll be "we wanted something more ambitious from Retro" and "we waited so long for ANOTHER 2D DK game!!?!"
If it's a 3D DK game there won't be as much rage.
The whole "Retro might be a support studio now!!" thing is completely baseless. Surely we would've seen them in the credits of any Nintendo game in the last three years if that was the case.
A new DKC in the vein of Returns/Tropical Freeze would definitely get me more excited than another NSMB.
I dunno, I feel like this kind of thinking is what lead to the destruction of the Paper Mario series.
I was trying to word it that I was skeptical it was a port but that even if it was I don't see it being a shadow drop, but as usual I tripped over my own words. I'm finding it increasingly unlikely it's a port, and I REALLY don't think they're just going to drop it with nothing but combined content. They've mentioned keeping the Ballot content for future games and took the coding out back to work on something since before we even knew what the NX actually was past vague code namery, I seriously doubt they've been busy for two years and been planning the eventuality of fan favorite characters on a vanilla port. With that amount of time they might as well be halfway through a sequel.
And as far as what I'm assuming out of their Pokemon philosophy goes. . .hang on, let me flip through my ORAS guide.
It's not as much laid out as I remembered, but it still says a lot about their thought process. They want the game out when consumers want to play it first and foremest; not only does that factor into a steady cadence, but people have been going insane at them for Pokemon Switch. They've got a big hill to climb, but it's not as though they have NO work done ahead of time: All current Pokemon models are already HD, just displayed on non-HD hardware (cue slowdown) and as of SuMo the trainer models are as well. So it really depends more on how fast they can crunch out a region, because we know they can produce both HD Pokemon and trainers and do writing for the games at this pace.Masuda said:
I'd be more excited for DKC than NSMB too. The problem is we already know Kirby, Yoshi and 2D Mario are coming.
I'm not saying let's not have four 2D platforming franchises. I'm saying let's not potentially have four releasing in a single year. As someone who actually likes 2D platformers that would be far too many for me. What does the person who doesn't like them do? It would be a terrible year for them. Doesn't make any sense from a business perspective.
So yes, there would be rage. And it would be kinda deserved tbh.
I get where you're coming from. That's all the more reason why I hope Retro's game is a 3D Donkey Kong. It's been 18 years since DK64 and just thinking about how Retro would translate their vision of DKC into 3D gets me pumped.
I imagine it kind of like Odyssey. Big, beautiful playgrounds and you only play as DK. No need for five characters. Need to reach an area and can't make your way up? Find a Diddy Barrel and have him help you reach it. Can't walk across a pit of brambles? Find a Cranky Barrel and have him help you get past it. Can't reach a vine? Find Lanky and have him stretch his arms out, just for you.
Much of the rage last time was due to "if retro is making fucking donkey Kong then who is gonna make METROID WiiU?"
Now that prime 4 is being worked on there will still be anger, just a lot less
Even less if it's a 3D platformer and they try to go big and do something different
Joy from all if it's Diddy Kong Racing 2
Like TheMoon said Retro has traditionally reveal their games at E3 so we should wait until then(even if it's been said a couple times). Plus we can't really pinpoint what exactly their working in compared to say...monolith's action game.
The studio themselves even tweeted this lol.
The studio themselves even tweeted this lol.
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Like TheMoon said Retro has traditionally reveal their games at E3 so we should wait until then(even if it's been said a couple times). Plus we can't really pinpoint what exactly their working in compared to said...monolith's action game.
The studio themselves even tweeted this lol.
That just tells me their game is ready, but they can't announce it yet because Nintendo won't let them.
"they" don't announce it anyway. Retro doesn't do any PR themselves.
That's exactly what will happen (in my opinion).
People speculated about them holding off DLC talk to give Mario a clear run, which... well does Mario really need it? But I think it makes sense for them to give Xenoblade 2 a better shot by leaving it for a surprise release at the Game Awards or later.
Retro's next game has online multiplayer probably.
I don't think they'll be doing a platformer.
I don't think they'll be doing a platformer.
Really curious about 2018 lineup. I am assuming that we will be getting 12 games.
The recent age / demographics data is very interesting. I'm curious how would Nintendo react to it. Would they want to focus on growing sales for their younger audience or capitalize on the more mature age group. I think they would also release games and new color scheme targeted towards females (which they did with the 3DS). They also have to release more games with online multiplayer for the online service to take off.
Announced
- Kirby Star Allies
- Yoshi
- Fire Emblem
Guesses (Starting from the most likely)
- Super Smash Bros.
- Animal Crossing
- 1 New / Revived IP with some focus on online play (Could be by Retro).
- Pikmin 4
- Pokemon spin-off
- WarioWare
- Mario Sports (Tennis, Golf, or Strikers)
- Luigi's Mansion from Next Level Games (If they're not making Strikers).
- Super Mario Odyssey DLC
- Zelda spin-off (Four Swords)
Unlikely
- 2D Mario and Donkey Kong Country
They are releasing two 2d platformers this year. I doubt that they would also release 2D Mario (or DKC).
- Prime 4 & Pokemon RPG
I don't feel we will see those anytime soon. They announced them early to mitigate the possible backlash from US/UM and Samus Returns imo.
Hopes
- a good Mario Party game
- Kid Icarus sequel
- Murasame Castle revival
The recent age / demographics data is very interesting. I'm curious how would Nintendo react to it. Would they want to focus on growing sales for their younger audience or capitalize on the more mature age group. I think they would also release games and new color scheme targeted towards females (which they did with the 3DS). They also have to release more games with online multiplayer for the online service to take off.
Announced
- Kirby Star Allies
- Yoshi
- Fire Emblem
Guesses (Starting from the most likely)
- Super Smash Bros.
- Animal Crossing
- 1 New / Revived IP with some focus on online play (Could be by Retro).
- Pikmin 4
- Pokemon spin-off
- WarioWare
- Mario Sports (Tennis, Golf, or Strikers)
- Luigi's Mansion from Next Level Games (If they're not making Strikers).
- Super Mario Odyssey DLC
- Zelda spin-off (Four Swords)
Unlikely
- 2D Mario and Donkey Kong Country
They are releasing two 2d platformers this year. I doubt that they would also release 2D Mario (or DKC).
- Prime 4 & Pokemon RPG
I don't feel we will see those anytime soon. They announced them early to mitigate the possible backlash from US/UM and Samus Returns imo.
Hopes
- a good Mario Party game
- Kid Icarus sequel
- Murasame Castle revival
They released NASCAR Heat 2 just two months ago. Seems like they will be busy with the NASCAR license.
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Likely Prospects for 2018
Retro Studios - last release Winter 2014
Nintendo R&D Rhythm Tengoku team - last release Summer 2015
Nintendo R&D Tomodachi Life team - last release Spring 2016
Next Level Games - last release Summer 2016
Smash Bros. port team
Announced works like Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Kirby
Less likely Prospects for 2018
Nintendo R&D 2D Mario team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Miitopia team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Animal Crossing team - least release November 2017 (smaller team?)
NIntendo R&D Pikmin team - small team?
Nintendo R&D 2D Zelda team - small team?
NSTC - ??
See you in 2019
Game Freak - Pokemon for Switch
Nintendo TBA - Metroid Prime 4
Retro Studios - last release Winter 2014
Nintendo R&D Rhythm Tengoku team - last release Summer 2015
Nintendo R&D Tomodachi Life team - last release Spring 2016
Next Level Games - last release Summer 2016
Smash Bros. port team
Announced works like Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Kirby
Less likely Prospects for 2018
Nintendo R&D 2D Mario team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Miitopia team - last release December 2016
Nintendo R&D Animal Crossing team - least release November 2017 (smaller team?)
NIntendo R&D Pikmin team - small team?
Nintendo R&D 2D Zelda team - small team?
NSTC - ??
See you in 2019
Game Freak - Pokemon for Switch
Nintendo TBA - Metroid Prime 4
With Ubisoft Milan making the statement that they want to be the next Rare, do we expect they will be working on another Nintendo Switch exclusive?
Edit: I know this isn't First Party, but if they are potentially using another Nintendo IP I thought it fit the discussion like some of Nintendo's close partners and I also didn't think it required its own thread.
Edit: I know this isn't First Party, but if they are potentially using another Nintendo IP I thought it fit the discussion like some of Nintendo's close partners and I also didn't think it required its own thread.
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Yea, I do too as i thoroughly enjoyed Mario + Rabbids.
It sold well and I imagine will continue to sell fairly well moving forward. They were a small studio and while I'm not sure if any other studios helped on the project, I imagine Ubisoft was quite happy with the project both critically and financially. I could see them continuing with another Switch title, though I'm not sure if they would try and get Nintendo IP again.
I would be fine with that, though I'd kinda prefer they give us something else new and unexpected, kinda like Mario Rabbids was when we saw it.
Ah, this is a nice list, I think I'll look over this.
R&D 2D Zelda has got me curious how they'll end up. Aonuma was a bit loosey goosey with the fact that they're definitely working on something. . .when was their last release again? ALBW was even earlier than I thought, but I just remembered Triforce Heroes existed and I don't remember which team did that. They feel like a wild card.
Smash is complicated because 1. Every assumption people have about it's release date assumes it's a port, which I think has passed it's window of being a safe bet, and 2. the last team to work on it was external, making potential timing difficult to track even outside of that. We don't know who's assigned, and it's not safe to assume what they're doing.
Still think Pokemon is in a state of extreme limbo right now as far as release goes. It could be holiday 2018 if they're lucky, and by necessity of that scenario even existing early 2019 is also a feasible window.
Generally the harder it is to figure out what the hell a team is even doing, the more it dips into speculation that I feel might turn out contrary to most people's expectations.
Retro and Next Level being likely prospects is interesting because it's hard to tell what they're making. Likewise one of the top row teams is likely responsible for a wild card casual game that's "un game-like" on a comparable level to Brain Age they've already hinted at, but I'm going to pretend the aforementioned two teams aren't options for that because the backlash would be horrific to watch. I want to say Tomodachi team since they're the most utilitarian and Miis have a low enough impact on the Switch to potentially force them to switch gears, but I don't know.
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Crazy Predictions Time:
- Nintendo quite literally formed a new dev team and Prime 4 is their first project, will be ready 2019
- Retro is working on a Diddy Kong racing sequel
- Next Level is doing F-Zero
- Pikmin 4 will be positioned as one of the big announcements during the January Direct
- Classic Warioware returns, none of that Game & Wario stuff (come to think of it, Wario Land is also greatly welcomed)
- Pokemon is ready for Holiday 2018
- 2D Mario with a brand new artstyle/gameplay elements is in the works, with a Mario Maker mode built in
- Surprise Paper Mario announcement
(probably none of this is true)
- Nintendo quite literally formed a new dev team and Prime 4 is their first project, will be ready 2019
- Retro is working on a Diddy Kong racing sequel
- Next Level is doing F-Zero
- Pikmin 4 will be positioned as one of the big announcements during the January Direct
- Classic Warioware returns, none of that Game & Wario stuff (come to think of it, Wario Land is also greatly welcomed)
- Pokemon is ready for Holiday 2018
- 2D Mario with a brand new artstyle/gameplay elements is in the works, with a Mario Maker mode built in
- Surprise Paper Mario announcement
(probably none of this is true)
Nintendo forming a new team for Metroid does strike me as crazy. I cant see a new team being formed in Japan for a first person shooter, and in the west, making studios is expensive. if you said Arkane Austin is making Metroid Prime 4, that'd be less crazy
Diddy Kong Racing and F-Zero? nah. the racing market is drying up. F-Zero's chance to make it has shrunk significantly. same for Diddy, when they can just leverage DK in Mario Kart the next time around for significantly higher ROI.
Diddy Kong Racing and F-Zero? nah. the racing market is drying up. F-Zero's chance to make it has shrunk significantly. same for Diddy, when they can just leverage DK in Mario Kart the next time around for significantly higher ROI.
But your post isn't even that crazy! All of this seems possible, besides maybe the Mario Maker one if you think it will have a full single player campaign (but even then Mario Maker 3DS had actual EPD developed stages)
This one might be true. I have a suspicion that they have a DKC or 3D DK game completed, which they're sitting on to fill the release schedule later on, and they're currently working on a DK racing game. MK8D released very early and unless tradition is broken, no Nintendo system has ever had more than one MK game. Their experience on MK7 would also be key here. DK Racing makes the most sense IMO.
I think we can completely dismiss the idea that Retro is making another DKC. Whatever game they're making has now been in development for 4 years. It would not take them 4 years+ to make another DKC.
That's why I think whatever they're making it's ambitious, and very likely a new IP, as that would explain why this project is taking so long. Making a new IP is the hardest thing to do in game making.
That's why I think whatever they're making it's ambitious, and very likely a new IP, as that would explain why this project is taking so long. Making a new IP is the hardest thing to do in game making.
My opinion on the state of Metroid Prime 4, which I admit borders on conspiratorial and is proabably completely off base is this:
I am Team 2018 Retro/Metroid/2D MARIO until proven otherwise :)
- Nintendo knew Samus Returns was coming to 3DS in 2017
- Nintendo knew they were going to release Metroid Prime 4 on Switch in 2018
- Nintendo did not want to show MP4 in 2017, they wanted to reveal it in 2018 and then build a giant E3 booth around it like BOTW and SMO
- Nintendo knew the debut of a 3DS Metroid, during the Switch's first E3 in 2017, would derail the entire show for them into a toxic pissing match about a lack of a Metroid NX
- Nintendo teased MP4 with no information, preserving mystery and surprise and then rolled out Samus Returns in the post show treehouse
- Nintendo preserves the surprise when they announce "holy shit! Metroid is much farther along and 2018!!l
I am Team 2018 Retro/Metroid/2D MARIO until proven otherwise :)
We just had this conversation a page back. Mario Odyssey started right after 3D World ended. That's about 4 years. Whatever Retro is working on is likely finished, and Nintendo's waiting for the right time to reveal it. That doesn't mean their new game isn't Donkey Kong. It could be a 3D Donkey Kong game, or Diddy Kong Racing since supposedly their new game has online multiplayer.
Well it has online multiplayer and a story writing team.
It sounds the most like an ambitious new IP, but as a desperate Kid Icarus fan I'm still not particularly quitting watching on that pair of details. Every bit of divining one can attempt to do points against DK, though, from the hirings to the fact that they implied whatever they started working on wasn't any IP they'd worked on before. The time frame means squat all to be sure, but Retro DK in any form still strikes me a far less likely scenario than most people consider it to be.
That isn't to say I think DK is unlikely per se, quite the opposite after Reggie name dropped it, just that Nintendo found another team for it like they did for Metroid and that Retro's got something else on the grill.
I just really want the Nintendogs team to get together and make this.
Famitsu: 40/40; "The defining game of our time."
Also, I really hope Retro is making a DK64 sequel. Between indies, Yoshi, Kirby, eventual 2D Mario, etc, the Switch is not hurting for 2D platformers. But with Odyssey as the only big 3D platformer, I think there is a lot of room for a DK128 game to provide something different with a totally different art style and character moveset, as well as a bigger focus on action/combat options.
I mean color splash just came out last year, I don't see a new Paper Mario yet.
Joking aside, a Nintendogs mobile game would make so much money that I think is happing next year for sure.
If it's a new IP or new series for them it's absolutely normal. Starting from scratch and likely using a new engine all adds a lot of time to development. For comparison, Horizon Zero Dawn was a 5-6 year process for Guerilla Games. That's a much bigger studio as well(although many we're working on Killzone stuff as well). The problem with Retro is that they should probably be twice the size they are, but Nintendo doesn't seem to have managed them properly.
To be fair, New Fang specifically said Donkey Kong 'Country'.
'Country' series = 2D Sidescrolling platformer.
Mario Odyssey required creating an entire new engine from scratch. I don't see why a new DKC (2D Donkey Kong platformer) would need a new engine when they can simply re-use the existing engine from Tropical Freeze?
That was only a port of Mario Maker. They would have been working on a new title alongside it since ~September 2015.
Ah, fair enough then. :) I'm all aboard if it means a game of even close to that scope.
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My bad. Gotta agree with you on that. I can't see a 2D Donkey Kong game taking that long, because they likely would just reuse the existing engine. A new IP, revived IP, or 3D Donkey Kong would be a different story.
It won't be Donkey Kong. Just give up on this, people. The people they hired, the job listings, taking years to make a game - It's looking like a new IP.
Why has it passed the window of being a safe bet? I think it makes sense to delay it to 2018 even if it is only an enhanced port, because they already had four big multiplayer games releasing in 2017 - Kart, Splatoon, ARMS and Pokken. Two of which were fighting games! Even announcing Smash before now could have limited the hype for ARMS and Pokken.
I'm going to wait and see. Jumping to conclusions is exactly what lead people to disappointment when Tropical Freeze was announced. Retro had hired an ex-Naughty Dog employee and people were convinced Retro wasn't making a DKCR sequel. Lo and behold, their game was "fucking Donkey Kong". With Reggie name dropping Donkey Kong in a recent interview andNintendo having Donkey Kong Country in their theme park plans I don't think the series is going dormant again. Maybe someone else is working on Donkey Kong, but I can't imagine who. Monster Games looks to have been busy making Nascar Heat 2. Whatever they're working on I'm excited nonetheless.
I wouldn't be disappointed as I like DK games, but it wouldn't take 5 years of development and there's no way they would hire staff for online play for a DK title.
Wouldn't look too much in that Reggie comment too, he doesn't decides what games are made and he name dropped even Mother 3 during E3 events and nothing came out of it.
But fine, it's not 100% impossible because anything can happen, it's just really unlikely.
3D Donkey Kong with some mini games that can be played online
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