• Light/Dark
  • Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.

Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

Status
Not open for further replies.
MazeHaze

MazeHaze

Member
Nov 1, 2017
8,577
Keikaku said:
There's lots of posts on avsforum about channels like CNN, NBC and Nickelodeon causing burn-in. I doubt many watched those all day long exclusively.

I'm curious what these score displays look like, much red or yellow in them? Those are the worst colours considering burn-in.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I mean, I use my OLED as a PC monitor 4+ hours daily. I do a ton of music production in ableton, which is full of solid bright yellows. I haven't even seen any IR let alone burn in and it's been 7 months. I've suspected for quite a while that OLED burn in is result of manufacture defect/panel lottery. I've seen people with burn in from a few dozen hours of HUD intensive stuff, and I've definitely played hundreds of hours of the same content with no burn in. Hell, there's a guy here with the Netflix logo burned in. A logo that ONLY shows up when you're browsing, and that is never on the screen for more than a few minutes due to the LG screensaver. The new RTINGS test showing burn in only on the 200 nit TV with CNN and not the max brightness tv with CNN seems to support this panel variation theory. If LG covered this in the mfg warranty it'd be fine, but refusing to cover any burn in is really shitty.

I'm not saying burn-in isn't a problem for some, I'm just saying I don't think it's a guaranteed problem for everyone.
 
resident_UA

resident_UA

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,400
Keikaku said:
There's lots of posts on avsforum about channels like CNN, NBC and Nickelodeon causing burn-in. I doubt many watched those all day long exclusively.

I'm curious what these score displays look like, much red or yellow in them? Those are the worst colours considering burn-in.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Look, if I went solely by complaints about TVs on avsforum every TV would seem like the worst TV ever made. Don't get me wrong, avsforum could be very useful, but it's nowhere close to typical TV user/typical experience. First thing I do when I have issue with any TV (like most people) is googling it and ending up complaining on avsforum. It happens, but it's nowhere close to average representation... The point isn't that burn in is impossible. It is most definitely possible. But it's likelyhood that matters. With any TV there's a chance that you will get a shitty panel or it will break for stupid reason.
 
FoxSpirit

FoxSpirit

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
68
Good god, do I have to temind people about the improvements of the 2017 over the 2016 OLED sets in that regard again??

Just compare the values on RTings. Sorry for being grumpy but man, do some research WHY experiences might be so different.
 

Me_Marcadet

Member
Oct 25, 2017
411
And even if the worst case scenario happens and you get some burnin, which is very unlikely, it will not ruin your picture quality 99% of the time. I had burnin on my plasma because I used it as a pc monitor and the chrome tabs burned in never distracted me in content.

It's not something worth worrying about. And I'm very picky with my stuff, I had two C7 replaced.
I think vertical banding is the true flaw of OLED displays for gaming, something every potential buyers should be aware of.
 

Majora85

Member
Nov 21, 2017
1,105
Oof, just started playing Little Nightmares and it's the first piece of regular media I've seen in 3 months of owning a B7 where I see the vertical banding. There are long stretches where the background is just a light foggy grey colour with not much going on and it can be pretty rough.

I started getting used to it as I got into the game but it's one to avoid if the sight of your panel's vertical banding irritates you. I'm so glad 99% of media does not have this problem but for the 1% it's a shame such a glorious picture has this problem.
 
Kelegacy

Kelegacy

Member
Nov 12, 2017
253
Maine
I have a 2015 OLED and have NEVER seen IR of any kind. I use it as a PC monitor and gaming tv. OLED is so superior that there is no comparison. Even if i had IR occasionally the gap between the best LED and the worst OLED is so staggering that i would still pick the OLED.
 
thuway

thuway

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,168
Just got an LG OLED C6P for an insane price ($400).

I was wondering if any one could here could explain if it's ok to use Dynamic Contrast on the 2016 models or if there's any word if dynamic metadata would be coming to this set?

Also - any way to get YouTube HDR :(?
 
Zubalon

Zubalon

Banned
Dec 11, 2017
663
thuway said:
Just got an LG OLED C6P for an insane price ($400).

I was wondering if any one could here could explain if it's ok to use Dynamic Contrast on the 2016 models or if there's any word if dynamic metadata would be coming to this set?

Also - any way to get YouTube HDR :(?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I just picked this up for 400$
MRmb42y.jpg

Had to drive in a blizzard
 
Kyoufu

Kyoufu

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,582
Kelegacy said:
I have a 2015 OLED and have NEVER seen IR of any kind. I use it as a PC monitor and gaming tv. OLED is so superior that there is no comparison. Even if i had IR occasionally the gap between the best LED and the worst OLED is so staggering that i would still pick the OLED.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

The best LED/LCD TVs come pretty close if not beat the worst OLEDs in many areas. It's cool that you like your OLED TV a lot, I do too, but let's not get crazy.
 
FPS murderer

FPS murderer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
363
SLC, UT
Sky87 said:
Has anyone else with an LG C7 experienced unstable wifi? While watching Netflix, it suddenly got stuck buffering and i noticed my WiFi had dropped out. After a while, it started working again.
The only thing i could find about it was this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ZhYo1Wml8

I'm on 5G, perhaps i should just use Ethernet instead? My home network is 50mbps anyway, so the 10/100 ethernet shouldn't be an issue.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...


Been using ethernet on mine. No issues at all, can't beat a cabled connection and it's way more than ok for 4k streaming even.
 
Hawk269

Hawk269

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,043
Kelegacy said:
I have a 2015 OLED and have NEVER seen IR of any kind. I use it as a PC monitor and gaming tv. OLED is so superior that there is no comparison. Even if i had IR occasionally the gap between the best LED and the worst OLED is so staggering that i would still pick the OLED.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

So wrong on so many levels. Have you ever seen a Sony ZD9? It is a fantastic set and imho holds it's own with the OLED's and in many ways is far superior. I own a 2017 E7 65" LG and a Sony 65" ZD9 and hands down for gaming, the ZD9 blows the OLED out of the water. Main reason is the brightness level in HDR gaming. Main reason I got the ZD9 was that the HDR on the E7 was a bit dim when in game mode. My wife has a 75" 940d in the living room and on her "X" the screen is brighter when playing HDR games than the OLED. Don't get me wrong the OLED E7 is a fantastic set and for movies, I think it is better. But for gaming, which in my game room is the 95% of the use, I prefer the ZD9. To say that the best LED is not even close to the worst OLED is just bullshit and fanboy crap.
 
Last edited:

Ashhong

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,594
Kolle said:
LG replaced the panel of my C7 again, this is the fourth one.. and it's much much better!
You can still see some lines but in motion it looks more like the dirty screen effect and not full on banding.
This is the new one after only 6 hours of usage, so I expect it to improve over time.
8ndMyFf.jpg


To compare, this was the previous one:
WQkIVX3.jpg
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

What video did you use to test this?

Also did anyone remember the specific time stamp in Marco Polo to test banding? Or was it a different show..
 
LatteToGo

LatteToGo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
464
Does anyone having problem with the one connect on Samsung KS series? My Samsung Bluray player can't even connect on that thing
 
Punished Goku

Punished Goku

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,952
Are there any good 4k Dolby Vision receivers compatible with the Sony X930E? I know the whole Dolby Vision fiasco where external devices need a update to work with the X930E, did any receiver out there get the update?
 
EMGESP

EMGESP

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
503
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
 
Soriku

Soriku

Member
Nov 12, 2017
6,898
EMGESP said:
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Because I've owned my OLED for months, do heavy gaming, and experience no IR let alone burn in?

Others in this thread can attest to the same or similar. Because we own the sets and have experience.
 
FPS murderer

FPS murderer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
363
SLC, UT
EMGESP said:
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Been heavily gaming on mine. FIFA, battlefield etc. No IR. Then just varied tv and movie watching. It's just down panel lottery, nothing different from LED. And taking care of your set like not watching CNN on hours end lol.

If it was as bad as you or other people in this thread make it seem no one would buying these and they're selling well. Man, every 10 pages the burn in scare comes in and goes in this thread makes me wanna check out for a few days...
 

Deleted member 14649

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,524
EMGESP said:
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Probably because I've been playing games day in, day out on mine for nearly 2 years without any issue, but sure, you probably know best not actually owning one.
 
spider

spider

CLANG
On Break
Oct 23, 2017
973
Australia
EMGESP said:
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Please try to participate in threads in good faith. There have been posters stating that they have actual experience with their OLEDs and it will only improve everyone's quality of forum discourse if participants would read first before they jump in.
 
Bumrush

Bumrush

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,770
spider said:
Please try to participate in threads in good faith. There have been posters stating that they have actual experience with their OLEDs and it will only improve everyone's quality of forum discourse if participants would read first before they jump in.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Thanks Spider. Maybe we could put a "please read OP regarding burn in" in the title and add some burn in resources because as much as I think it's important the topic is discussed, we do have the conversation every 10-ish posts
 
Last edited:
Gravemind IV

Gravemind IV

Member
Nov 26, 2017
1,948
I need some help on this one, I am about to snatch a 4k TV and I have seen two models that are currently priced pretty competitively.
One model seems to perform a bit better but it's only 49'' while the other is 40 bucks cheaper and is a 55'' to boot.

Samsung UE49MU8000 (49'' @ 871 euros)
vs.
Samsung UE55MU7000 (55" @ 830 euros)

Would love to hear what you guys would pick up. I am gonna use it for the living room and gaming (input lag on these two models seem quite decent in comparison to some others).
 
spider

spider

CLANG
On Break
Oct 23, 2017
973
Australia
Bumrush said:
Thanks Spider. Maybe we could put a "please read OP regarding burn in" in the title and add some burn in resources because as much as I think it's important the topic is discussed, we do have the conversation every 10-ish posts
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I can update the thread's title if that's desired. Just PM me what the new title change should read :)
 
Hobbun

Hobbun

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,394
EMGESP said:
Don't see how you guys can trust OLED for heavy gaming, at least in its current state. I want an OLED Display, but I'm waiting until the tech improves to wear burn in is less likely to happen. Just like Plasma tech.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I have had an LG E6 for almost 2 years now and have had no issues in regards to burn-in or even IR. Not sure what you consider as 'heavy gaming', but between my roommate and I there is probably 2-3 hours of gaming on most days of the week. And that's the weekdays, weekends can usually even be more.
 
Sky87

Sky87

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,862
C7/B7 owners, do you use the built in USB media player for MKV's? How is it compared to the XB1 Media Player?
 
ShaDowDaNca

ShaDowDaNca

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,645
Hawk269 said:
So wrong on so many levels. Have you ever seen a Sony ZD9? It is a fantastic set and imho holds it's own with the OLED's and in many ways is far superior. I own a 2017 E7 65" LG and a Sony 65" ZD9 and hands down for gaming, the ZD9 blows the OLED out of the water. Main reason is the brightness level in HDR gaming. Main reason I got the ZD9 was that the HDR on the E7 was a bit dim when in game mode. My wife has a 75" 940d in the living room and on her "X" the screen is brighter when playing HDR games than the OLED. Don't get me wrong the OLED E7 is a fantastic set and for movies, I think it is better. But for gaming, which in my game room is the 95% of the use, I prefer the ZD9. To say that the best LED is not even close to the worst OLED is just bullshit and fanboy crap.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Agreed
 
Kudo

Kudo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,868
Considering the price difference between best LED that can somehow hold candle against "worst" OLED..
Well, if HDR Gaming is going to be your only use maybe it's worth it. On OLED though SDR and no motion blur, as far as LEDs go ZD9 is definitely most impressive.
I'm not even using near max OLED Light settings on my set and never felt it's too dim or want more brightness, but I do have perfectly dark room.
 
CrichtonKicks

CrichtonKicks

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,183
Sky87 said:
Has anyone else with an LG C7 experienced unstable wifi? While watching Netflix, it suddenly got stuck buffering and i noticed my WiFi had dropped out. After a while, it started working again.
The only thing i could find about it was this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ZhYo1Wml8

I'm on 5G, perhaps i should just use Ethernet instead? My home network is 50mbps anyway, so the 10/100 ethernet shouldn't be an issue.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yes, this happens to me. On a recommendation I entered my wifi details in manually instead of using the auto-connect mode. Limited testing but, so far, so good. Hasn't dropped since.
 
nib95

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
The HDR thing brings in a whole new can of worms, because the things people credit OLED for, such as black levels, colour or white balance accuracy etc, largely go out the window when talking HDR. I'm sure the Sony's HDR is far more visually striking what with a much brighter screen etc, that said, currently there is no proper way to calibrate for HDR use, and thus what you're seeing during HDR is not necessarily accurate or realistic to how the developer or producer intended it. In other words, it could be the modern-day equivalent of dynamic mode, eg big, bright and striking, but not necessarily honest or accurate. Granted, that's not to suggest OLED HDR would be any better, just that HDR, on the whole, is still a grey area in that respect.
 

Deleted member 25042

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,077
nib95 said:
The HDR thing brings in a whole new can of worms, because the things people credit OLED for, such as black levels, colour or white balance accuracy etc, largely go out the window when talking HDR. I'm sure the Sony's HDR is far more visually striking what with a much brighter screen etc, that said, currently there is no proper way to calibrate for HDR use, and thus what you're seeing during HDR is not necessarily accurate or realistic to how the developer or producer intended it. In other words, it could be the modern-day equivalent of dynamic mode, eg big, bright and striking, but not necessarily honest or accurate. Granted, that's not to suggest OLED HDR would be any better, just that HDR, on the whole, is still a grey area in that respect.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

HDR the new dynamic mode??
HDR is not what you think it is at all and things like black level, color accuracy etc are obviously important.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.