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IIRC, that rule is introduced later on.
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더 지니어스 The Genius -- Classy reality-game show with smart people
- Thread starter azeke
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Well, I've thrown up an OT highlighting a number of interesting works in a few different Gameshow genres, that should help people get started.
Ah, right. I *think* that's talking in terms of the likes of pickpocketing, rather than (if I remember correctly?) picking up an item that's been left lying around.
It's been too long since I watched the first series, I'm wondering if a rewatch is in my future...
I just watched the first episode last night and
I am totally with you on this. What the hell?
Starting episode two right now.
I am totally with you on this. What the hell?
Starting episode two right now.
I love Teacher Cha, he casually explains the tricks to the game to everyone. Producers must be pissed at him lol
By the way can anyone give me a cheat sheet with Korean names? Its hard to tell who is who especially with the girls because they change outfits and hairstyles. The cheat sheet in the OP is so helpful for the first episode though!
http://www.purplerockpodcast.com/wp...season-1-cast-cheat-sheet-by-Angie-Caunce.jpg
By the way can anyone give me a cheat sheet with Korean names? Its hard to tell who is who especially with the girls because they change outfits and hairstyles. The cheat sheet in the OP is so helpful for the first episode though!
http://www.purplerockpodcast.com/wp...season-1-cast-cheat-sheet-by-Angie-Caunce.jpg
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Holy fuck what the fuck did Gura dooooooooo
This is the most entertaining shit I've ever seen!
Holy fuck episode 2 gave me trust issues
This is the most entertaining shit I've ever seen!
Holy fuck episode 2 gave me trust issues
Kinda lame that Minseo betrayed Jinho after he saved her
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People who are in the know: How did Korea react to Kyunghoon?
His character in general, I mean.
His character in general, I mean.
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I'm on season. 2 of genius. Is society game good to watch or crime scene ? I seem some characters from genius show up on crime scene.
And after the fourth season of genius is there a similar show currently on to follow ? Show is just like liar game and liar game was an awesome manga.
And after the fourth season of genius is there a similar show currently on to follow ? Show is just like liar game and liar game was an awesome manga.
Crime Scene is really fun, especially if you like puzzles and mysteries. Also, there is a lot of fun interactions between the players in every episode, so that is a big draw for the show. You get to see your favorites in a lot of different kinds of roles and relationships, it's neat seeing their range. Very different kind of game than The Genius. The only issue with it is that maybe you'll find the format kind of weird at first. It starts out a little dry but picks up a lot of steam as it goes on. I enjoyed Crime Scene a lot, I wish they would make more (or do an American adaptation).
Society Game is worth watching, but you'll be disappointed if you're looking for something as twisty or manipulative as The Genius. It is slightly better at showing off people's personalities a little more, you get to see them live and stuff. It's much more challenge-oriented too, even more than something like Survivor. I've only seen Season 1, dunno if the second season is better.
Society Game is basically Survivor, so if you like that, you'll like SG. The second season adds some powerful Genius alumni, and some of the challenges become a bit Genius-esque, but ultimately the show is about mixing power with thinking, whereas Genius is all mental+social.
Crime Scene is brilliant, but obviously has very little to do with Genius except the casting. Jims is right; it's honestly shocking it hasn't been adapted in the US. It would honestly be the perfect format to take a few high level celebrities and make a great "variety" show out of. Netflix could do it, even.
Crime Scene is brilliant, but obviously has very little to do with Genius except the casting. Jims is right; it's honestly shocking it hasn't been adapted in the US. It would honestly be the perfect format to take a few high level celebrities and make a great "variety" show out of. Netflix could do it, even.
Kyungran is bae. My favorite contestant, hope she survives!
EDIT: OH NO I JUST STARTED EPISODE 3 AND SHE'S CRYING ;_;
EDIT: OH NO I JUST STARTED EPISODE 3 AND SHE'S CRYING ;_;
I'm at S02E05(finished), and I like the viciousness. I don't watch these things for them to make friends. No time for Lana Del Rey montages on this season. I hear it gets even worse....can't wait!
This Yutanari game is fantastic! Loved the outplay where Teacher Cha's team played two blank sticks to cancel out the enemy team also throwing two blank sticks because they enemy thought Teacher was going to go for the 3 marked 1 blank.
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Aw fuck. That misplay :((((
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Watching ep 4 now. Sangmin running around desperately yelling "SOMEBODY GIVE ME THE CURE" had me belly laughing.
The Zombie game is really entertaining, hidden role games are my jam.
Holy shit, the
The Zombie game is really entertaining, hidden role games are my jam.
Holy shit, the
Gura & Sunggyu Coaliation continues its path of destruction
And the fake cure!!!!!!!!! Bruh
And the fake cure!!!!!!!!! Bruh
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The one two punch of S02E06 and E07 was amazing. I loved many many moments in both episodes. "Nelson Mandela once said....."
OP
OP
I am in a rambling mood this morning, so here goes...
After watching just the first episode one acutely realizes just how tied to South Korean culture this project is.
Respect for elders that comes from Korean brand of Confucianism, politeness and feeling of "fairness", obsession with education and celebration of skill and cleverness -- factors that make The Genius such a unique show simply don't exist in western media. Western society not only does NOT recognise knowledge -- it actively shuns, jeers and leers at it:
Even more important than smarts is an atmosphere of decency on The Genius -- even Gura who plays up his role of devious "villain" has defined lines in the sand he will not cross, not only because that will hurt his TV image but also because ultimately they're all decent people. That's why it's such a shock when these lines are crossed in season 2 even though western audience wouldn't even register these petty acts as anything shameful.
At some point all players have to decide just how far they're willing to go for victory and many players would rather "die" than look indecent on TV:
This concept is expressed as early as opening monologue:
You can also see Korean perfectionism and hard working obsessiveness in the way just how intricately designed the games are. Game design is just on completely other level compared to any other game show. The Genius plays 2 tabletop/social/parlor games each episode. Many of them -- fascinating and deep enough to garner dedicated research of their own.
For example here are two articles dedicated to "Monorail" from season 3 alone:
Same could be said about "Food Chain" -- a main match game that has a dedicated podcast episode featuring person who made playing Food Chain his day job.
TG is a rather small production. It is filmed weekly for several hours on a soundstage decorated with fake walls (which is still more than Crime Scene production team does because they just designate walls with chalk lines a-la von Trier's Manderley and call it a day). Staff's hard work designing the show masks small scale and budget.
Set design, mirrors and gold highlights, green broadcloth tables, women in evening gowns, men in formal three-pieces, croupiers, cards, dice and chips -- everything is designed to evoke chic, glitz and glamour of high stakes casino.
And so are music choices. Many background tracks are consciously lifted from "casino heist" movies like Ocean's Eleven, Now You See Me or The Thieves. David Holmes' 70s-inspired soudntrack for Ocean movies is complemented further by other similarly funky music selection.
And the "casino heist" analogy is a perfect fit because great episode of the The Genius exactly that to a tee. You have a montage explaining the rules and restrictions, people planning how to overcome these rules and "rob the casino", plans going haywire and players improvising on the spot and pulling it off and twist in the end when one member of the team turns to be the mole all along.
That's what TG producers have in mind when they are designing the games and rigging the props hoping that there will be an observant player capable to take advantage of their secrets.
Due to unscripted and improvisational nature of the show, players sometimes don't in fact crack the secret:
But sometimes players manage to find tricks that production team never intended to be used. It is regular occurence -- players consistently go off the grid from original rules, cheat the producers, fake items, double and triple- and quadruple- betray each other. That's what makes The Genius the best, smartest game show of all time.
After watching just the first episode one acutely realizes just how tied to South Korean culture this project is.
Respect for elders that comes from Korean brand of Confucianism, politeness and feeling of "fairness", obsession with education and celebration of skill and cleverness -- factors that make The Genius such a unique show simply don't exist in western media. Western society not only does NOT recognise knowledge -- it actively shuns, jeers and leers at it:
Even more important than smarts is an atmosphere of decency on The Genius -- even Gura who plays up his role of devious "villain" has defined lines in the sand he will not cross, not only because that will hurt his TV image but also because ultimately they're all decent people. That's why it's such a shock when these lines are crossed in season 2 even though western audience wouldn't even register these petty acts as anything shameful.
At some point all players have to decide just how far they're willing to go for victory and many players would rather "die" than look indecent on TV:
This concept is expressed as early as opening monologue:
You can also see Korean perfectionism and hard working obsessiveness in the way just how intricately designed the games are. Game design is just on completely other level compared to any other game show. The Genius plays 2 tabletop/social/parlor games each episode. Many of them -- fascinating and deep enough to garner dedicated research of their own.
For example here are two articles dedicated to "Monorail" from season 3 alone:
- Monorail analisys from combinatorial theory standpoint
- Programmer's blogpost about writing an online implementation of Monorail
Same could be said about "Food Chain" -- a main match game that has a dedicated podcast episode featuring person who made playing Food Chain his day job.
TG is a rather small production. It is filmed weekly for several hours on a soundstage decorated with fake walls (which is still more than Crime Scene production team does because they just designate walls with chalk lines a-la von Trier's Manderley and call it a day). Staff's hard work designing the show masks small scale and budget.
Set design, mirrors and gold highlights, green broadcloth tables, women in evening gowns, men in formal three-pieces, croupiers, cards, dice and chips -- everything is designed to evoke chic, glitz and glamour of high stakes casino.
And so are music choices. Many background tracks are consciously lifted from "casino heist" movies like Ocean's Eleven, Now You See Me or The Thieves. David Holmes' 70s-inspired soudntrack for Ocean movies is complemented further by other similarly funky music selection.
And the "casino heist" analogy is a perfect fit because great episode of the The Genius exactly that to a tee. You have a montage explaining the rules and restrictions, people planning how to overcome these rules and "rob the casino", plans going haywire and players improvising on the spot and pulling it off and twist in the end when one member of the team turns to be the mole all along.
That's what TG producers have in mind when they are designing the games and rigging the props hoping that there will be an observant player capable to take advantage of their secrets.
Due to unscripted and improvisational nature of the show, players sometimes don't in fact crack the secret:
But sometimes players manage to find tricks that production team never intended to be used. It is regular occurence -- players consistently go off the grid from original rules, cheat the producers, fake items, double and triple- and quadruple- betray each other. That's what makes The Genius the best, smartest game show of all time.
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I want to read your ramble but it looks a little spoilery so I'll hold off. But I wanted to thank you azeke for your excellent thread which convinced me to watch the show. Enjoying it doesn't even describe how unpredictable and entertaining this show is.
Right now I'm watching the horse race episode. I love this man Poong so much, he's just here to unapologetically farm gems.
Right now I'm watching the horse race episode. I love this man Poong so much, he's just here to unapologetically farm gems.
As far as I know they're not on Youtube, you have to download them off MegaUpload. They're all here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGenius/comments/70jog1/links_to_all_subbed_episodes_of_the_genius_s14/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGenius/comments/70jog1/links_to_all_subbed_episodes_of_the_genius_s14/
I've only watched half of season 2 so far but it's amazing with twists and turns. Not as friendly as season one, but I think its better so far.
I'm also now up to the 5th episode and the way different alliances form every episode is fascinating. Sangmin seems to no longer work with Gura since the Zombie game and after the horse race episode he might actually be my favorite character.
I find the differences between the death match games really interesting. The first one is very much a game of forming alliances but the board game is much more about reading your opponent. I actually disliked the board game at first but I've come around to it but I hope they don't keep reusing the same ones.
I'm absolutely watching all four seasons, I'm loving the show even more than after the first 2 episodes.
Poong later on becomes a legend on the popular show "Me and My Fridge" so there's an easy way to keep watching him later if you want. (Netflix subs it right now but I believe you can try free streaming from OndemandKorea, if you're in North America or use a VPN)
thanks - will have to put it up on plex so I can continue watching on ipad.
is 'me and my fridge' the same as 'chef and my fridge'? Thats all I can see on netflix.
This show is hella awesome so far. Finished ep8 a few days ago, kind of slowing down on watching it because every new episode is more of a heartbreaking start due to fewer people remaining. I can't imagine what the final episode will be like, but at the same time I'm extremely excited for it. I think this weekend I'll finish up S1 and then move on to S2.
I'm near the end of Season 4 now and decided to find out what this Society Game is some of you were talking about. 15 minutes in the first episode of Season 2 (which is 2h longf?!) and it seems pretty interesting. Just seeing Dongmin not wearing uber formal clothes makes it weird. No idea where this is going either.
We need a Korean TV Shows thread.
We need a Korean TV Shows thread.
Koreans really don't do brevity!
(I assume this sort of programme is commissioned in part to be long, to fill a big chunk of the schedule?)
Yeah, I just worked my way through the first episode. There's so much filler in there, it's astonishing. Not sure I like the show that much. Too many people, too much downtime, the physical games don't interest me (I don't like Survivor either tbf).
We had some short overviews in another forum where I am active:
Summary
Summary
In the show there are 13 contestants with a "genius" skill or talent. They compete in games that test these abilities and 1 player is eliminated in every episode.
Through these games they'll earn garnets, which are the game's currency. Each garnet is worth $1000. These garnets can be used to gain an advantage in games or in negotiations with other players. The total number of garnets will also be the final prize for the last remaining player.
First, all of the players play in the main match. This game finds a winner and loser and also has garnet rewards. The winner gains immunity and advances to the next episode, while the loser is up for elimination.
The player up for elimination chooses 1 player as their opponent in a death match. The death match is a 1 on 1 game. The winner advances to the next episode and takes all of their opponent's garnets. The loser is eliminated.
Contestants
Hong Jinho
Brood War legend YellOw and Kong
Cha Yuram
Goddess and pool player
Lee Sangmin
Singer and leader of Roo'Ra and TV personality
Kim Poong
Webtoon writer
Choi Jungmoon
Mensa member and student
Park Eunji
TV personality and former weather caster
Kim Gura
TV personality and host
Lee Junseok
Politician and entrepreneur
Cha Minsoo
Go and Poker player Jimma Cha
Kim Kyungran
Announcer, TV personality and former news anchor
Sunggyu
Leader of idol group Infinite
Choi Changyeop
Actor
Kim Minseo
Auctioneer
In the show there are 13 contestants with a "genius" skill or talent. They compete in games that test these abilities and 1 player is eliminated in every episode.
Through these games they'll earn garnets, which are the game's currency. Each garnet is worth $1000. These garnets can be used to gain an advantage in games or in negotiations with other players. The total number of garnets will also be the final prize for the last remaining player.
First, all of the players play in the main match. This game finds a winner and loser and also has garnet rewards. The winner gains immunity and advances to the next episode, while the loser is up for elimination.
The player up for elimination chooses 1 player as their opponent in a death match. The death match is a 1 on 1 game. The winner advances to the next episode and takes all of their opponent's garnets. The loser is eliminated.
Contestants
Hong Jinho
Brood War legend YellOw and Kong
Cha Yuram
Goddess and pool player
Lee Sangmin
Singer and leader of Roo'Ra and TV personality
Kim Poong
Webtoon writer
Choi Jungmoon
Mensa member and student
Park Eunji
TV personality and former weather caster
Kim Gura
TV personality and host
Lee Junseok
Politician and entrepreneur
Cha Minsoo
Go and Poker player Jimma Cha
Kim Kyungran
Announcer, TV personality and former news anchor
Sunggyu
Leader of idol group Infinite
Choi Changyeop
Actor
Kim Minseo
Auctioneer
Season 2 Contestants:
Yoo Jung Hyun (Former announcer and politician)
Lee Sang Min (Leader of Roo'Ra/TV personality)
Eun Ji Won (Former idol/TV personality/rapper)
Noh Hong Chul (Host/TV personality)
Lim Yo Hwan (SlayerSBoxeR)
Hong Jin Ho (YellOw)
Kim Jae Kyung (Leader of idol group Rainbow)
Lee Da Hye (Go player)
Jo Yoo Young (Announcer)
Lee Eun Kyul (Magician)
Lim Yoon Sun (Lawyer)
Nam Hwee Jong (Maths lecturer)
Lee Doo Hwe (Hacker)
Lee Sang Min (Leader of Roo'Ra/TV personality)
Eun Ji Won (Former idol/TV personality/rapper)
Noh Hong Chul (Host/TV personality)
Lim Yo Hwan (SlayerSBoxeR)
Hong Jin Ho (YellOw)
Kim Jae Kyung (Leader of idol group Rainbow)
Lee Da Hye (Go player)
Jo Yoo Young (Announcer)
Lee Eun Kyul (Magician)
Lim Yoon Sun (Lawyer)
Nam Hwee Jong (Maths lecturer)
Lee Doo Hwe (Hacker)
Holy fuck season 1 episode 7
Jinho fucking dunked on them out of nowhere and it was the hypest shit. By far my favorite contestant. They deserved it for shunning him for no reason.
So I'm up through Episode 5 now.
Loving the big games, not liking the death matches at all though. I'd prefer different games or some way of limiting who knows what for those to maybe make them a little more random or luck based. At least the board game thing had a little bit of strategy unlike winning streak
Loving the big games, not liking the death matches at all though. I'd prefer different games or some way of limiting who knows what for those to maybe make them a little more random or luck based. At least the board game thing had a little bit of strategy unlike winning streak
Ep 7 is my favourite, I love it. So much of the show is on how good the edit is. The twist is perfectly placed in the perfect spot.
Yeah I think so. For whatever reason ODK, Netflix, and the general internet never came to consensus on the english translation of the show's name. It's a great formula though, and Poong is sort of like the "what if your college eating style could turn you into a chef?"
I am in a rambling mood this morning, so here goes...
After watching just the first episode one acutely realizes just how tied to South Korean culture this project is.
Respect for elders that comes from Korean brand of Confucianism, politeness and feeling of "fairness", obsession with education and celebration of skill and cleverness -- factors that make The Genius such a unique show simply don't exist in western media. Western society not only does NOT recognise knowledge -- it actively shuns, jeers and leers at it:
Even more important than smarts is an atmosphere of decency on The Genius -- even Gura who plays up his role of devious "villain" has defined lines in the sand he will not cross, not only because that will hurt his TV image but also because ultimately they're all decent people. That's why it's such a shock when these lines are crossed in season 2 even though western audience wouldn't even register these petty acts as anything shameful.
At some point all players have to decide just how far they're willing to go for victory and many players would rather "die" than look indecent on TV:
This concept is expressed as early as opening monologue:
You can also see Korean perfectionism and hard working obsessiveness in the way just how intricately designed the games are. Game design is just on completely other level compared to any other game show. The Genius plays 2 tabletop/social/parlor games each episode. Many of them -- fascinating and deep enough to garner dedicated research of their own.
For example here are two articles dedicated to "Monorail" from season 3 alone:
- Monorail analisys from combinatorial theory standpoint
- Programmer's blogpost about writing an online implementation of Monorail
Same could be said about "Food Chain" -- a main match game that has a dedicated podcast episode featuring person who made playing Food Chain his day job.
TG is a rather small production. It is filmed weekly for several hours on a soundstage decorated with fake walls (which is still more than Crime Scene production team does because they just designate walls with chalk lines a-la von Trier's Manderley and call it a day). Staff's hard work designing the show masks small scale and budget.
Set design, mirrors and gold highlights, green broadcloth tables, women in evening gowns, men in formal three-pieces, croupiers, cards, dice and chips -- everything is designed to evoke chic, glitz and glamour of high stakes casino.
And so are music choices. Many background tracks are consciously lifted from "casino heist" movies like Ocean's Eleven, Now You See Me or The Thieves. David Holmes' 70s-inspired soudntrack for Ocean movies is complemented further by other similarly funky music selection.
And the "casino heist" analogy is a perfect fit because great episode of the The Genius exactly that to a tee. You have a montage explaining the rules and restrictions, people planning how to overcome these rules and "rob the casino", plans going haywire and players improvising on the spot and pulling it off and twist in the end when one member of the team turns to be the mole all along.
That's what TG producers have in mind when they are designing the games and rigging the props hoping that there will be an observant player capable to take advantage of their secrets.
Due to unscripted and improvisational nature of the show, players sometimes don't in fact crack the secret:
But sometimes players manage to find tricks that production team never intended to be used. It is regular occurence -- players consistently go off the grid from original rules, cheat the producers, fake items, double and triple- and quadruple- betray each other. That's what makes The Genius the best, smartest game show of all time.
The beginning of your post is a bit depressing. I am pretty impressed to hear it was a small budget. They did it in a classy way. I think maybe Netflix or Amazon could produce an american version. Fill a niche.
"Respect for elders that comes from Korean brand of Confucianism, politeness and feeling of "fairness", obsession with education and celebration of skill and cleverness -- factors that make The Genius such a unique show simply don't exist in western media. Western society not only does NOT recognise knowledge -- it actively shuns, jeers and leers at it:"
Correct.
The worst part to this is you even have self-hating asians who buy into the western standards and actively denounce them. It's tragic to know that politeness, responsibility and such are viewed as being weak there. Hence, I always code-switch.
Correct.
The worst part to this is you even have self-hating asians who buy into the western standards and actively denounce them. It's tragic to know that politeness, responsibility and such are viewed as being weak there. Hence, I always code-switch.
I just realized there should be a Mob Psycho 100 live action film with Sungyyu and Sangmin as Mob and Reagan respectively. Yes I know they're not Japanese.
Watching S02E02 of this right now. Loved the first season...but not sure if I can handle the second. Hongchul is just insufferable. It has seriously taken me three days to get through this one episode, because I have to turn it off whenever he's on.
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yeah, I think I might be done after that episode...unless someone says I only have to put up with him for another episode. It's really too bad, since I loved the show.
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Love reading the reactions of people watching this for the first time here.
One of the gripes I have about the show is that it kind of got too well-known after S1. A lot of the contestants in S2 were super competitive which lead to the games turning cutthroat quickly and putting players into some nasty social situations. Not really pleasant watching. S3 brought it back nicely, the cast were all still competitive but they managed to develop some great rapport (mainly because of Dongmin). The same carried over to S4.
S1 had the best atmosphere overall IMO, none of the contestants really had any expectations of the games and things felt a lot more organic.
One of the gripes I have about the show is that it kind of got too well-known after S1. A lot of the contestants in S2 were super competitive which lead to the games turning cutthroat quickly and putting players into some nasty social situations. Not really pleasant watching. S3 brought it back nicely, the cast were all still competitive but they managed to develop some great rapport (mainly because of Dongmin). The same carried over to S4.
S1 had the best atmosphere overall IMO, none of the contestants really had any expectations of the games and things felt a lot more organic.
I have no idea what Mob Psycho 100 is, but I endorse anything that reunites the sunbae and hoobae.
My idea only came about due to Sangmin dyeing his hair blonde in season 2, and then when Sungyyu returns the connection was made.
I have two episodes left to go in Genius season 2:
What an amazingly terrible final three besides Sangmin. Sangmin deserves hands down to win, as he's far and away the all star of two complete seasons. So he probably won't, as I end up disappointed so often in the end of these reality game shows. Jhungyun is impressive in these deathmatches but was a running joke until this point. I could accept him winning if he's final two but I still wish someone more dynamic like YooYoung or Jiwon was here.. Yowan(sp?) is one of the lamest players ever on the show as far as I'm concerned. His plans are half baked, he never figures any tricks out, and he is completely terrible at subterfuge and the social game. I am hoping he finally leaves next episode and never returns.
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that would be cool. It's been brought up occasionally but people in the k-pop thread say they talk about all things korea in there and a specifc korean tv show or whatever thread wouldn't last etc
Well it's not like neo confucian ideals are all positive influences. A lot of problems in Korean modern society have their origins in Confucianism. It even inhibits play in the show to some extent. (Not just cut-throat style play mind you)
Don't wanna get too off-topic but
I think you'll be surprised.
Yowan is a good Starcraft player, but obviously his wife should have been cast instead of him ;)
This show is honestly so great. Just wanted to thank the OP for getting me hooked. I really enjoy Big Brother, but this is on another level. Almost done Season 3 now and I have to say they do a great job with casting.