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Raven117

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The only reason it matters is when people say there are no people of color in the game because there were none in Medieval Europe.
Im sure there were some. I mean...there simply had to be due to the nature of the travel back then (as I said, trade, crusades, etc.). But what kind of representation would have been in some countryside in Czech?

Let's say there were some. How many? How many should be in the game? What purpose would it serve to represent this group in the game? 1? 10? 15? What kind of inclusion would be appropriate?

In your view, is the representation that it is historically accurate (and yet not be due to the failure to include a person of color), the issue? Im asking honestly. As I said, i've never quite understood both the exact issue (other than the dude being an asshole and racist) and the remedy for it as it relates to a video game.
 
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It matters when the writer/director is racist.

If in the inevitable sequel in Kuttenberg and/or Prague has no PoC, I think there would be something to make of it. Backwoods Bohemia where its nothing but rural countryside plus a couple of small castles... You'd have to stretch for anyone of any worth whatsoever, let alone wealthy black merchants or leaders (and if you are in Bohemia as a black dude in the 1400s you are almost certainly wealthy) to be in that area. You literally see someone higher than the lowest level of Holy Roman Empire nobility twice, and very briefly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nobility -seriously, Radzig and his buddies are all basically nobodies in the grand scheme. Kinda the charm of the game tbh, its so small-scale.

The people that the game is centered around in such a small area of Bohemia would have very little worth to anybody with money. With that being said, maybe they have a merchant broken down on the road who got lost on the way to Kuttenburg, but that would be a stretch as well because both Kuttenburg and Prague is west of Skallitz, Rattay, et al. And Vienna is far to the south. There is nothing of worth where this game takes place. Literally nothing but poor farmers and a couple landed Knights squabbling over them.
 

Einherjer

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No room for any nuance or discussion? Everyone should just keep quiet and either buy the game or not?

We discussed this to death and back so no matter you have to say it's probably allrdy been said a million times, as it is you are just annoying the ppl her who actually just want to discuss the game and nothing else.
 

Stiler

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That's my main problem with big battles, the lock on system.

They need to have it not auto-lock you to people, because when you get like 3-4 people coming at you the lock on REALLY fucks up your ability to move around and fight people.

Lock on is great when fighting 1 vs 1, but for a group it's terrible imo because you're constantly getting another person running up to you, or behind you, an dthen you are unable to dodge/move away. Then there's the whole issue of backing into a bush or tree and "walking" up it, which is annoying in of itself lol.

I think the large battles would be a lot better if they let you stay unlocked.

I think the real issue is the control system of combat. The way combat works, with you using the mouse to determine what area you want to strike from means that you have to lock on in order to do this, without a lock on when you move your mouse the camera moves and thus it wouldn't work, you'd constantly be moving your view around just to attack which would feel/look weird.

However I think there is a very simple way around this whole thing, have an attack key. This is something that Severance (aka blade of darkness) did and it worked great. Just have a simple "attack" key that you hold down when you want to attack. When you press and hold it down, you use the mouse to choose the direction you want to attack in, then you can simply let go of the attack button and your mouse goes back to simply controlling the camera as normal.

This would completely solve the issue of the forced lock on in big fights and let you still have decent control without messing with the camera in those situations.
 
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This game takes place in 1400s Bohemia, which is nowhere near the places your article mention. Also the demographics of modern day Czech Republic show this too.

Regardless. This game is proof people want historical games. People need to kick start a game like it in a different era and area where there is more diversity. ACO is a prime example.

Medievalpoc's blog is that of an art historian, so doesn't really speak to demographics, beyond showing evidence that there were enough people of color in 1400s Bohemia for artists to use them as models and paint their likenesses.
 

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As a longtime Colin/Beyond listener, I wish he'd actually play and talk about the game instead of bringing us tabloid-esque socio-political coverage.

I mean, that's what really defines GamerGaters/alt-righters when you boil it down. Despite all their blabbing about "just wanting to play games," they are way more interested in fighting with "libs" about social issues.
 

Isee

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Why do people say there were no black people in Medieval Europe? This is not true and wish people would stop using this as a talking point. i.e Colin Moriarty

African Presence in Medieval Europe

The article is more about the fact that not all african countries were Islamic during medieval times. Those Christian, African countries naturally interacted with other Christian countries in the near east and in Europe. Those African, Christian nations also had trade relationships with huge, important cities and sometimes even embassies. That doesn't mean though that there were black people living in the middle of nowhere, in a province of eastern/middle europe in small villages. Why should they? The article talks about the fact that there were trade, religious and diplomatic interactions between Christian, European and Christian, African countries and not that black people were part of every city, every village and every region across all parts of Europe. Spain on the other side, is very close to Africa (and was under islamic rule for quiet some time btw), and was indeed a multicultural and tolerant society, for some time at least.
 

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Maybe towards the end of the game but the real problem is that the economy is messed up. Part of that is because you can simply loot everything off of a person you kill and that there are so many chests to steal expensive things from it's just really easy to become as rich as a lord in no time.
Yep, that's definitely a problem. I actually stopped looting chests and bodies because I became too rich too quickly.

Why do people say there were no black people in Medieval Europe? This is not true and wish people would stop using this as a talking point. i.e Colin Moriarty

African Presence in Medieval Europe
Saying that there were no PoC in Medieval Europe is most likely wrong. But then again it's also unlikely that there were PoC in the area the game takes place. That's according to a professor emeritus of East Central European history with an emphasis on medieval Bohemia and Moravia. So in this case it's legitimate to portray medieval Bohemia without PoC. But he mentions at the same time that no one can claim that academic historical books (let alone games) depict the "truth". They are mere interpretations because there's no way to verify that something is the sole truth when speaking about history. Especially when a time is as different from ours as the Middle Ages.

https://youtu.be/IixibjXXFVY?t=4m24s [German] (relevant bit starts at around 4:24)
 

Raven117

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Hopefully their success lets them work on technical polish next time around if they plan on implementing big cities.
Im hoping for a Witcher type jump. You are right though. I don't think the developer as it stands now could handle such a task. Good thing they chose to keep the whole thing on the smaller side.
 

Dmax3901

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I've been reminded of the first Witcher game more than anything else while playing this, a Witcher 2-like jump would be fantastic. It was kind of my mindset during the bigger skirmishes that, well it may run like shit but no other game is really doing anything close to this so I'll let it pass.

We discussed this to death and back so no matter you have to say it's probably allrdy been said a million times, as it is you are just annoying the ppl her who actually just want to discuss the game and nothing else.
I really don't care if I've annoyed you or others who think that way as the mods have made it clear such discussion is allowed.
 

stufte

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I really don't care if I've annoyed you or others who think that way as the mods have made it clear such discussion is allowed.

Can we fucking not? It's been nice to discuss the game without all the bullshit surrounding that particular dev shitting up the thread.
 

Al3x1s

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If you want as close to realistic as possible this is it.
If you want dragons dogma this ain't it.

I personally can enjoy Dark Souls AND Skyrim AND this and Dragons Dogma.

It's like ARMA vs Call Of Duty. I like both. Some can't like both.
Well, I wouldn't equate it to arma, it's quite a gamey system in the end (you have the "easy" block where you just hold down the button and move the direction accordingly, and the "perfect" block where you time it to the time of the attack to parry, and then even smaller time window to perform a counter attack as in Batman or other simple games, a large part of it is conventional gamey stuff done in a unique, immersing manner here) and as others said you even get to become quite overpowered (I hope balance patches fix that because I like these systems when I'm being challenged, when it gets to a point you get some OP counters and moves and beat everything easily it's no better than Assassin's Creed 1/2 combat then) but at the same time it's definitely an RPG rather than just an action game and stats matter about as much as your playing skill, one can compensate for the other in a limited degree).
 
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Can we fucking not? It's been nice to discuss the game without all the bullshit surrounding that particular dev shitting up the thread.
If you don't want to discuss it, feel free not to engage that user. If nobody else wants to discuss it, then the conversation will peter out.
 

Raven117

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So, I was home at lunch and tried training with the Captain a few more times. I'm starting to get the hang of it!

Quick question...how do you get the stab in the middle on a controller? (ps4)
 

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If someone can somehow mod the combat out entirely and replace it with something more simple this game would be a ton better. Combat ruins it for me but everything else is stellar, even with the bugs.

Like I can't believe I am saying this but if we had simple skyrim like combat here I would be crying tears of joy

Modders plsss

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Buttzerker

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Really? So if I do stab and the star thing is pointed "UP" it is only going center?

Yeah. Stabs are basically just supposed to be a quick jab between Slash's although and practice that sometimes doesn't hold up because I have a much easier time winning fights spamming stab on enemies after blocking them personally. But regardless they always go to the same place and always set you back to Center no matter where you stab from
 

DeaDPooL_jlp

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Can we fucking not? It's been nice to discuss the game without all the bullshit surrounding that particular dev shitting up the thread.

Good luck, its been beaten to death that people simply want to discus the aspects of the game in the OFFICIAL GAME THREAD. There have been multiple threads concerning the developer ssue where people can discuss it freely but people feel they're doing a good deed by dragging that conversation to a thread solely discussing the game. Its a little mind boggling why people who simply want to play the game and share their experiences are forced to sift through endless back and forth comments that will ultimately lead to nothing.
 

stufte

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I'm REALLY looking forward to retrying the Runt fight after getting my ass kicked. I've been lvling for hours just to stab him in the face (or center mass lol) and loot his stupid smug corpse.
 

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Yeah I dropped Runt with one Master Stroke, it felt good to return the favor that he dished out to me at the beginning
 

Dmax3901

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Makes sense they would be similar.

So, what should be done about it?
Missed this. Is your question what should be done about his views? Well, nothing within my power I guess, but that's not what my posts were about.

I was simply expressing some observations I'd made about the female characters in this game. Given he wrote the damn thing, his views on women in the real world are naturally going to feed into that. I'm not the kind of person who is gonna ignore that side of things just to keep the peace in here. The extreme defensiveness in this thread is really off-putting and kinda gross tbh (not referring to you Raven). It's not like I started calling people racist for buying the game, geez.
 

Raven117

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Missed this. Is your question what should be done about his views? Well, nothing within my power I guess, but that's not what my posts were about.

I was simply expressing some observations I'd made about the female characters in this game. Given he wrote the damn thing, his views on women in the real world are naturally going to feed into that. I'm not the kind of person who is gonna ignore that side of things just to keep the peace in here. The extreme defensiveness in this thread is really off-putting and kinda gross tbh (not referring to you Raven). It's not like I started calling people racist for buying the game, geez.
I think most people know you aren't calling folks racists or misogynists for buying it.

Trying to sort out your point. Are you saying that because he depicted women in a game set in the middle ages roughly, means...what exactly? That he himself is a mysogensit in the real world?

Whats the remedy?

Its not just here on Reset, but almost everywhere now, are people "observing" issues (whether real or not). Im reading very few people actually say "Here is the issue, and here is what we should do about it." Solutions are hard. Observations aren't as hard.

Not enough people are answering the questions.
 

Raven117

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I thought you could only choose the direction of slashes and that you always stab in the one direction, directly ahead of you.
This is going to make combat for me much easier. I was all over the place with the right stick thinking i was aiming the stabs.
 

Stone Cold

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Stab spam wins the day always. It's actually kind of game breaking with how bad the AI is at defending against it
 

Dmax3901

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I think most people know you aren't calling folks racists or misogynists for buying it.

Trying to sort out your point. Are you saying that because he depicted women in a game set in the middle ages roughly, means...what exactly? That he himself is a mysogensit in the real world?

Whats the remedy?

Its not just here on Reset, but almost everywhere now, are people "observing" issues (whether real or not). Im reading very few people actually say "Here is the issue, and here is what we should do about it." Solutions are hard. Observations aren't as hard.

Not enough people are answering the questions.

His support of GamerGate is already a red flag for misogyny, but the only question I'm trying to answer is whether or not his views translate into the script itself. I had my concerns before release that his views might rear their ugly head in-game, making it very difficult for me to enjoy it. Now I've spent between 30-40 hours with the game and I have noticed some things that are, in my mind, worth bringing up. Bear in mind, the vast majority of the discussion and controversy occurred before the game was out so people were just talking specifically about his response to "why no people of colour?" In that sense, what I'm bringing to this thread has not been discussed ad nauseam, and I'm pretty confused as to why some people are giving me shit for it.

Some people responded to my observations and it was all fine. Then out of nowhere people started whinging (shitting up the thread, if you will) saying "can't we just talk about the game?" when that was literally what I was doing.

A final point: I don't believe that in order to have these kind of discussions you have to come up with a solution.
 

mujun

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Stab spam wins the day always. It's actually kind of game breaking with how bad the AI is at defending against it

Yep, it's very effective.

I gave up on my beloved mace because the sparring is bugged. Then gave up on my beloved axe because the stab damage wasn't high enough. Now I'm all about perfect blocking then stabbing or clinching then stabbing.
 

Stiler

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This is going to make combat for me much easier. I was all over the place with the right stick thinking i was aiming the stabs.

lol, I did the same thing at first too.

Also don't forget to go back to Captain Bernerd, even after your first lesson with him, he has a lot more to teach you including perfect blocks, riposte (master strikes), and combo's.

Combo's are the bread and butter of late game fighting imo. They allow you to attack specific points of the enemy with an unblockable last hit special move if you pull them off, which is a godsend when fighting armored opponents if you use a sword.

Just remember that longsword's must be used without a shield in order to do the combo's too, so if you have a longsword and a shield equipped you won't be able to do any of the combos.
 

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I just did the bandit camp raid. During the scouting portion I slaughtered everyone in there with horse archery and kiting.
It made sneaking in to do sabotage much easier.
 

Raven117

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His support of GamerGate is already a red flag for misogyny, but the only question I'm trying to answer is whether or not his views translate into the script itself. I had my concerns before release that his views might rear their ugly head in-game, making it very difficult for me to enjoy it. Now I've spent between 30-40 hours with the game and I have noticed some things that are, in my mind, worth bringing up. Bear in mind, the vast majority of the discussion and controversy occurred before the game was out so people were just talking specifically about his response to "why no people of colour?" In that sense, what I'm bringing to this thread has not been discussed ad nauseam, and I'm pretty confused as to why some people are giving me shit for it.

Some people responded to my observations and it was all fine. Then out of nowhere people started whinging (shitting up the thread, if you will) saying "can't we just talk about the game?" when that was literally what I was doing.

A final point: I don't believe that in order to have these kind of discussions you have to come up with a solution.
I mean, have you been able to ferret out the specific treatment of women in this time period compared to simply misogynistic views?

It was pretty rough in those days for women (to put it lightly), however, there are identifiable differences you feel confident that represent the misogyny of the creator and not the time period? (I would agree that the people of color was discussed more so than the treatment of women pre-launch).

Lets assume everything you say about misogyny in the game is true. Now what?
 

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I mean, have you been able to ferret out the specific treatment of women in this time period compared to simply misogynistic views?

I mean, the quest lines with arguably the two prominent female characters ending in you bedding them and getting an "alpha male" buff is a conscious decision on behalf of the developer and probably tells you what you need to know.

I just did the bandit camp raid. During the scouting portion I slaughtered everyone in there with horse archery and kiting.
It made sneaking in to do sabotage much easier.

Same here. It really pissed me off that the game didn't recognize it at all, though...
 

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Yeah I just walked into the camp and beat everyone to death with an axe. Reported back like "yep arrows and food (btw I killed everyone)"

Cue respawn.
 

Raven117

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I mean, the quest lines with arguably the two prominent female characters ending in you bedding them and getting an "alpha male" buff is a conscious decision on behalf of the developer and probably tells you what you need to know.

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I wasn't not implying it wasn't in there (just FYI).