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Kresnik

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,972
Vita is dying though. Can't sell that much Oddworld anymore.

The Vita isn't selling out fast enough because all past titles were low-profile, but because nothing is selling for the platform. No, it's not the titles, it's the audience.

Vita is slowing down

Not even an Oddworld 5k copies < 5 minute sellout can stop the Vita slowing down :(

but no plans to ditch it. I still use it and love it!

But I suppose this is the important part. And I should hope so, given that the Vita fanbase have shown they're still perfectly willing to lap up content as long as it's decent.

(And even then, you've still yet to sell out of a Vita game - aside from Revenant Saga, which is down to ~ 80 copies)
 

Samuray

Member
Nov 21, 2017
413
Hamburg, Germany
Regarding the "Guns, Gore and Cannoli" mess:

@LRG, yes, it sounds like breach of contract on the dev's part and your lawyer should look into that.

BUT: If you decide to cease & desist the release of the game, I think I'm done with you. All of you are about getting games released physically, and you shouldn't be attacking each other. Again, contracts can't just be ignored like that, that's not what I'm saying. But please do not have a factory-new set of PS4 games destroyed out of, yeah, more or less pettiness. You're better than that.
 

Saoshyant

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,996
Portugal
Regarding the "Guns, Gore and Cannoli" mess:

@LRG, yes, it sounds like breach of contract on the dev's part and your lawyer should look into that.

BUT: If you decide to cease & desist the release of the game, I think I'm done with you. All of you are about getting games released physically, and you shouldn't be attacking each other. Again, contracts can't just be ignored like that, that's not what I'm saying. But please do not have a factory-new set of PS4 games destroyed out of, yeah, more or less pettiness. You're better than that.

Wait, what did we miss? There was no reference to any of this here but sounds like something bad's going behind the scenes? The GGC game had previously signed up with LRG instead of SLG?
 

Samuray

Member
Nov 21, 2017
413
Hamburg, Germany
Yeah, it seems that GG&C was signed with LRG for over two years....the devs grew tired of waiting for a release or something and published through Strictly Limited Games now, but that old contract was never canceled. I totally understand LRG being peeved at the devs, they really should have contacted them first, and that has to be looked at legally. Sure. But there's talk of SLG having to cancel the release, which means the already-in-production games would have to be destroyed. And who wants that?

We are all strong proponents of physical media here. Please settle this like gentleman and don't take it out on us or defenseless game discs. :)
 

Ventara

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
710
Sucks if LRG is pushing for a cancellation. SLG is based in EU anyways. Even though there's gonna be overlap, they're releasing for different regions, similar to how LRG released NA copies even though there already was English Asian versions.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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Don't European and North American publishing deals work independently of each other? Like, just because you get a North American publisher doesn't mean you can't also find a European one - unless otherwise is stated in your contract?

I can see why the devs would be annoyed by LRG not releasing their game. The longer you wait, the more likely people will have lost interest. Makes me curious to know just how long they've been sitting on the rights to it and not even announced it. I'm assuming it's been quite a while if the devs were willing to "move on" from a done deal like that. On the other hand, I can also see why LRG would be taking legal action, if the devs never reached out to them to talk about the situation. A legal contract is still a legal contract at the end of the day.
 

Shizuka

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,113
Just release the game in both regions. Didn't LRG mention time and time again that they don't care if a game is already available in another region and that they consider the company as an american distributor mostly?
 

i-Jest

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,013
Personally I'm fine with a multi-region release, just as long all parties involved don't entangle themselves over legal issues.
 

t26

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,559
That was before the market gotten so comparative, the extra thousand copies on the market will make a huge difference. After the Ghost Blade mess I think they will only do multi-region for major release.
 

Blacksark

Member
Nov 21, 2017
67
I believe the best would be lrg let slg release the game, lrg has lots of games and I don't think getting into problems is the best solution.
 

Dancrane212

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,962
Full posts from that thread for context.

LimitedRunDouglas wrote: A little concerned about this as we have an active contract from two years ago still.

qui_suis wrote: anything in the contrat close state you can pursue them if release with other company during the contrat deal ? hummm

LimitedRunDouglas wrote: Yes, our contract gives us worldwide-exclusivity. So this is concerning.

FoP wrote: Yeah, I don't fully get the worldwide-exclusive thing. For some games it makes sense since the rights revert when LRG has sold their version, so stuff like RIVE and tge EAS games work since they were released after the LRG versions. Ghost Blade had a loophole. But what about games like Dariusburst that already had a version released? Oh well, the fine print of LRGs contracts is hardly our business.

However, while this certainly is a shitty situation it's certainly one that the developers themselves put themself in. Unless Josh let them go without Douglas knowledge, so the contract still is valid, of course it's a problem. However the SLG version is probably hard to delay - they did nothing wrong unless they knew LRG already signed it, and if they don't sell them there's the risk of breaching two contracts, so unless it can somehow be legally stopped within a day (during a weekend) I don't see it being delayed. The problem is the developers of course, and I gotta say I really wonder what they were thinking. I mean you hardly forget such a big thing as a physical run if you're a small developer, and it's strange that if they thought the ball was in LRGs court (while inreality it was in their own) to not get in touch for over a year.

LimitedRunDouglas wrote: It wasn't canceled by either of us. They could have done a reprint after our print, but not before. The ball was kind of in limbo, but they hadn't even followed up or bothered to tell us that they would like to go with someone else. We've had a dev ask before to be let go to work with someone else and that is okay, but not asking is like a slap in the face and a breach of contract.

LimitedRunDouglas wrote: Everyone should be safe. Either you will get your money back, it will be delayed or canceled.

Lawyer looking into this.

shinoff2183 wrote: So your saying this ain't happening. Will you guys still release it. Looks like a great game. I just want it

LimitedRunDouglas wrote: I'm saying regardless of the outcome everyone will be okay.

I have legit no idea what will happen yet.

It could either be not affected, delayed or canceled (SLG)

Ours is most likely canceled if their's isn't.
 

Saoshyant

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,996
Portugal
I don't have a horse on this race, so I probably shouldn't voice my opinion, but from here it looks like both LRG and the developers of GGC screwed up, the former by letting a contract slumber for two years without acting on it, the latter by getting fed up with it and going to another publisher without first clearing things up with LRG. While legally LRG are in their right to pursue action, morally I don't think they should -- trying to set an example so it doesn't happen again is not the ideal way to act on those situations if they don't intend to scare away potential partners in the future.

However, it seems clear LRG won't do their own release if SLG isn't stopped: "Ours is most likely canceled if their's isn't." As such, if you are interested in the game, you probably should get it now or risk having to go through scalpers later. In the scenario that SLG release does get canceled, you get your money back anyway.
 

N E R O

Member
Oct 25, 2017
418
Mississauga, ON
I don't have a horse on this race, so I probably shouldn't voice my opinion, but from here it looks like both LRG and the developers of GGC screwed up, the former by letting a contract slumber for two years without acting on it, the latter by getting fed up with it and going to another publisher without first clearing things up with LRG. While legally LRG are in their right to pursue action, morally I don't think they should -- trying to set an example so it doesn't happen again is not the ideal way to act on those situations if they don't intend to scare away potential partners in the future.

However, it seems clear LRG won't do their own release if SLG isn't stopped: "Ours is most likely canceled if their's isn't." As such, if you are interested in the game, you probably should get it now or risk having to go through scalpers later. In the scenario that SLG release does get canceled, you get your money back anyway.

Interested to know more about this, Could you explain more ? what is SLG and GGC ?
 

Saoshyant

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,996
Portugal
Interested to know more about this, Could you explain more ? what is SLG and GGC ?
SLG stands for Strictly Limited Games, an European competitor/counterpart to LRG.
GGC is Guns, Gore and Cannoli, a game we are discussing on this page as being released by SLG today while also being in an exclusive contract with LRG.

What happened with Ghost Blade?

It was released by Play Asia which led to its LRG release being canceled.
 

Delusibeta

Prophet of Truth
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,648
Interested to know more about this, Could you explain more ? what is SLG and GGC ?
SLG - Strictly Limited Games, GGC = Guns, Gore and Cannoli.

The problem is that Limited Run Games signed Guns, Gore and Cannoli two years ago for an exclusive physical release. Said physical release hasn't happened in said two years. Fast forward to last Friday, whereby Strictly Limited Games announces that they're going to be selling a physical print run of Guns, Gore and Cannoli today. End result, LRG's getting the lawyers out.
 
Jan 11, 2018
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Should be announcing some more stuff Monday!!

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*crossing fingers*

It was released by Play Asia which led to its LRG release being canceled.

Yeah, I know it was released on Play-Asia but I thought it would also get a LRG release? I was more interested in what kind of loop hole was used and why it got an Asian English release if LRG had already signed a deal for worldwide exclusivity?
 

Curler

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,604
Even if they didn't want to keep waiting for 2 years (with whatever the circumstance of holding it back) breeching contract is a huuuuuuuge legal no-no. Unless the contract specifically says "this game must be released by (specific date)" then yeah, the onus is still on the GGC guys, from what I'm hearing. Especially if they didn't try to cancel contract or whatever first.
 

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Oldmario

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,145
Hoping one of them will be VA-11 Hall-A
i'm secretly hoping that, nurse love addiction and garegga aren't all on the same day otherwise i'll be having to gamble on buying each seperately and then the waiting list becausei don't trust one thing to go out of stock while i'm adding something else, i nearly lost night trap that way
 

N E R O

Member
Oct 25, 2017
418
Mississauga, ON
SLG stands for Strictly Limited Games, an European competitor/counterpart to LRG.
GGC is Guns, Gore and Cannoli, a game we are discussing on this page as being released by SLG today while also being in an exclusive contract with LRG.



It was released by Play Asia which led to its LRG release being canceled.

SLG - Strictly Limited Games, GGC = Guns, Gore and Cannoli.

The problem is that Limited Run Games signed Guns, Gore and Cannoli two years ago for an exclusive physical release. Said physical release hasn't happened in said two years. Fast forward to last Friday, whereby Strictly Limited Games announces that they're going to be selling a physical print run of Guns, Gore and Cannoli today. End result, LRG's getting the lawyers out.

Thanks, The game looks like something that I would buy for sure, but not import from Europe. I don't know the nature of the contract but it could be region exclusive ? might still be published by LRG in the future ?
 

meppi64

Self-Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,479
March 9ths games will be sick. Super excited for them all but especially the SHMUP!
I've been trying to keep myself from pulling the tigger on the Korean version of Battle Garegga for the past week now. It's not easy, I'll tell you that much...
Any idea when we can expect the announcement of the March 9th games to be made?