New Shenmue 3 screenshots

bell wood's jet cola · Feb 25, 2018

I know it's old, which is what's disconcerting. I know it takes time and effort to put together a real trailer but they couldn't even take screencaps of some in-game footage? They're clearly just behind, so I guess I don't really have a point.

And the new Ryo looks spot on to me. I don't see the issue.

RPTGB · Feb 25, 2018

Don't know what the hell a lot of dissenting voices in this thread are expecting, the new models look great and Ryo's head model is very close in style to that on the Shenmue Passport.

A lot of ignorance too, being displayed on how game development actually works and not how it's assumed to work on gaming forums such as this one. Facial animation is, by and large, something that gets added and continually refined upon, once all the major animation systems are in place, for player inputs, etc.

Shadoken · Feb 25, 2018

famikon said:
Game development is hard, you should understand this.
for comparison

and that just for puzzle game
10 mil is nothing for game like Shenmue

Yea its crazy to think that , despite it having the title of "Highest funded game" on KS. That actually means nothing when compared to other games.

Whompa · Feb 25, 2018

is it really out of the budget to lift an eyebrow or something? Anything? They're all dead.

Flozuki · Feb 25, 2018

abstract alien said:
Don't show your game until it's ready. If you feel you need to, show something you would be ok with if it were final, even if it's minimal.

This is not how I understand the concept of "Openness", but ok.

dead souls said:
Looks ugly.

I enjoyed Shenmue 1 & 2 back in the day but I still don't see the need for a new one in 2018 now that Yakuza exists.

Imagine the original Yakuza team would have had the same thinking process: cool idea but with Shenmue we already have a beautiful lively world. Lets do something else...

Juke Joint Jezebel · Feb 25, 2018

Xenosaga said:

That total lack of expression change, it's like somebodies propping two corpses on strings and controlling them like a marionette! Burst out laughing just now.

benzy · Feb 25, 2018

jmood88 said:
There are plenty of games with small teams and budgets that have been able to make great-looking games. Budget isn't a good excuse for why this game looks the way it does.

There isn't another kickstarter game that looks as good as this. And this looks much better than the Yakuzas. People seem to be judging the entire game and graphics based on facial animations, which hopefully gets fixed, but let's not overlook everything else that looks pretty fantastic for a game of this budget.

Deleted member 3335 · Feb 25, 2018

seiki said:
To be fair it was, still kind of is.

(Pictures of Shenmue 1)

Shenmue 3 isn't even on this level yet. a 20XX title vs something from 1999/2000

My minority opinion is that they shouldn't have tried to make state-of-the-art Shenmue 3 of that scale with that small budget. And because it's rather pointless to play Shenmue 3 without 1 and 2 they could have get away with tyring to replicate the Dreamcast visual. Right now the art direction is so off and it doesn't get better, it's rather off putting

Arsic · Feb 25, 2018

Shin said:
I like everything but the 3rd screenshot, for some reason that guy just looks off (face, body, etc).
Graphically they are doing well I think considering their budget, but that's just me.

Isn't their budget massive for a kickstarter game?

I just don't see how this can live up to anyone's hope...

Juke Joint Jezebel · Feb 25, 2018

GootecksShimmy said:
Isn't their budget massive for a kickstarter game?

I just don't see how this can live up to anyone's hope...

6.3 millions dollars from kickstarter funding and I think Sony is helping fund development as well.

Quakeguy · Feb 25, 2018

benzy said:
There isn't another kickstarter game that looks as good as this. And this looks much better than the Yakuzas. People seem to be judging the entire game and graphics based on facial animations, which hopefully gets fixed, but let's not overlook everything else that looks pretty fantastic for a game of this budget.

This. People just want to make fun of this game for the memes. Pretty sad.

jay · Feb 25, 2018

Ryo still looking not like Ryo this late in development sure is a confidence builder.

Deleted member 3335 · Feb 25, 2018

Quakeguy said:
This. People just want to make fun of this game for the memes. Pretty sad.

You know, if your entire counter argument is just "they are haters" you should maybe return to the drawing boards and come back with something better.

Get_crazy · Feb 25, 2018

I think environment screenshots look wonderful.

And even though the faces look bad, I'm just happy Shenmue 3 is happening.

Alastor3 · Feb 25, 2018

liquidtmd said:
Uncharted 4 had a budget of around $40-50 million and a team of 150 upto 300 people towards the end though

Shenmue 3 has....what? $8million ish and a team of 20?

Equally realism Yu has said that isn't really his goal in terms of art direction, preferring a romanticisim

tuxfool said:
Great. You're comparing games with vastly different budgets. Even the UC games from PS3 would have higher production budgets.

By comparison the original Shenmue games actually had the kind of budget UC commands.

♡♪!? said:
A 15 year sequel to a cult classic game, rescued from dying into obscurity, being made for peanuts cannot be compared to the 50 million (?) spent on making Uncharted sequels. Well it can, but why would you?

This one looks really nice, a little bit of expression makes a big difference.

No no no guys, you all took my exemple for a mistake. I am NOT saying Shenmue 3 have to have better graphic to make Ryo's face more realistic AKA have a bigger team and bigger budget.

Im am talking about DESIGN and that Ryo's face hasn't been upgraded, not in term of graphic but in term of design.

seiki · Feb 25, 2018

I feel like all the footage they are showing is old, they are far ahead in development but aren't showing it.
I believe this because I heard Yu Suzuki has a method where he likes to show the public old footage to help develop his games further, like a perfectionist.

It's not shaping up to be the Shenmue 3 it could have been otherwise.

Shenmue-is-life · Feb 25, 2018

Pmichael said:
My minority opinion is that they shouldn't have tried to make state-of-the-art Shenmue 3 of that scale with that small budget. And because it's rather pointless to play Shenmue 3 without 1 and 2 they could have get away with tyring to replicate the Dreamcast visual. Right now the art direction is so off and it doesn't get better, it's rather off putting

That's the actual direction of the game. Yu Suzuki said he's not trying to target full realism like the original games. Instead, the characters will be more "manga". To what extend, I don't know since we got that pic with the little girl.

Indeed, the screens look "off" but with the stuff in motion, I'm sure the visuals will be much better.

Get_crazy · Feb 25, 2018

seiki said:
I feel like all the footage they are showing is old, they are far ahead in development but aren't showing it.

It's not shaping up to be the Shenmue 3 it could have been otherwise.

If you're talking about that "leaked" trailer, it was first shown to limited press during Gamescom 2017.

Echo · Feb 25, 2018

I thought to myself that Ryo's stern/weird face looks like Andre's from Prison School, and now I can't get the image out of my head.

Almagest · Feb 25, 2018

I have a friend who is a big Shenmue fan and backer and he's salty and disillusioned because of the facial expressions, even though he knows intellectually that they'll be fixed down the line it still reminds him of the ME: Andromeda debacle.

I know they're a small team and that this is actually quite a feat for their budget and manpower but, even if they have scheduling problems I think they might want to consider prioritizing their work in the facial animations instead of presumably leaving it for the last stages of development, would IMO help their PR campaign, backer satisfaction, and casual viewer's impressions.

Then again I know very little about game development and maybe they just can't, however, from my own perspective as a consumer I have to say that even though the last bit of released footage seemed promising, having characters looking like mannequins is just extremely off-putting.

Deleted member 8106 · Feb 25, 2018

I backed this and the game looks like garbage.
The Gamescom 2017 trailer was bad, the reactions to it were bad, and in almost one year they managed to only give an extended version of that trailer, which looks even worse with those awful QTE applied to mannequins.

Rotobit · Feb 25, 2018

I feel like most all of my issues regarding the faces would be solved by adding simple eye-tracking. Having Ryo just stare straight into the distance in every shot is more off-putting than his lack of expression - he never really emoted in the first two games, after all. Every other character looks fine.

Really hope they show actual game-play soon, though, even if it's just wandering around town.

ianpm31 · Feb 25, 2018

PunishedSnake said:
I backed this and the game looks like garbage.
The Gamescom 2017 trailer was bad, the reactions to it were bad, and in almost one year they managed to only give an extended version of that trailer, which looks even worse with those awful QTE applied to mannequins.

We are only seeing these stages of development because it got kickstarted. There's a reason why publishers don't show their game until way later in development because of comments like yours. Example, from software has been working on 3 projects for 3 years+ and we haven't seen anything from it. Wonder why

seiki · Feb 25, 2018

Looking at this super small progress after several months of silence as well as the absolutely ridiculous management for the game I'm forseeing a dark future where it could end up making the whole Shenmue series look like a bigger joke people make it out to be. This will be a game I will buy, but man...

Final product has to be amazing because that impression always counts.

Griffith · Feb 25, 2018

Ryu still doesn't look like I remember him being but... it is an improvement over his initial design.

Deleted member 8196 · Feb 25, 2018

benzy said:
There isn't another kickstarter game that looks as good as this.

Kingdom Come Deliverance is way better with less budget.
And these screens are bullshot, we need to see proper gameplay not promotional shots.

Soapbox Killer · Feb 25, 2018

Nothing will deter me.
I shall not waiver
Faces, good or bad
Shenmue III my Flavor
I think It looks Rad
You exaggerate a tad
The fact that this exist
I'm already so glad
So fall back with all that hyperbole
When It drops
It will rock
That's So certainly

OK I'm not sure why I said that in rhyme form.

TaterTots · Feb 25, 2018

Everything looks ok except the faces/heads. Needs a upgrade.

ianpm31 · Feb 25, 2018

Stygr said:
Kingdom Come Deliverance is way better with less budget.
And these screens are bullshot, we need to see proper gameplay not promotional shots.

Kingdom come was in development for 5 years. Shenmue atm 2.5

Deleted member 8196 · Feb 25, 2018

ianpm31 said:
Kingdom come was in development for 5 years. Shenmue atm 2.5

Not exactly, the first two years were used to devrlop a prototype to pitch the game to various publishers.

tuxfool · Feb 25, 2018

Alastor3 said:
No no no guys, you all took my exemple for a mistake. I am NOT saying Shenmue 3 have to have better graphic to make Ryo's face more realistic AKA have a bigger team and bigger budget.

Im am talking about DESIGN and that Ryo's face hasn't been upgraded, not in term of graphic but in term of design.

But that is a design choice. It isn't something that is required.

You're allowed to not like it, but the fact that they're not going for a more realistic design doesn't make it better or worse.

Malek · Feb 25, 2018

The game looks fine, beside Ryo's face his expression reminds me of PS2 era games

For example

Here is his face

And here is how a true next gen face looks like

shinken · Feb 25, 2018

benzy said:
There isn't another kickstarter game that looks as good as this. And this looks much better than the Yakuzas. People seem to be judging the entire game and graphics based on facial animations, which hopefully gets fixed, but let's not overlook everything else that looks pretty fantastic for a game of this budget.

Because the environments they've shown always looked fine, but static environments are also a lot easier to make than modeling characters and facial animations.
I really wonder how experienced the people are at Ys net and how big they are to tackle a rather big project like this. They skipped the entire 7th gen of consoles and are jumping straight to the 8th gen. And we all know most, if not all JP devs had a lot of trouble adapting
since the 6th gen. And Ys net made nothing but browser based and simple 2D mobile games. I wished Sony would've helped them out with technical matters. I don't even know what Sony's role are anymore. Just marketing?

tuxfool · Feb 25, 2018

Stygr said:
Kingdom Come Deliverance is way better with less budget.
And these screens are bullshot, we need to see proper gameplay not promotional shots.

Eh, I can't really say that the automotons that populate KCD are that much better, they aren't as stylised and have greater fidelity of materials, but the people look plain AF, but I'm also not dinging them for it either, because I'm not an idiot without a clue of technical or production realities.

GhostTrick · Feb 25, 2018

Malek said:
The game looks fine, beside Ryo's face expression it looks like a PS2 era game

For example

Here is his face

And here is how a true next gen face looks like

1) This is an outdated screenshot
2) The day Shenmue 3 has the budget Uncharted 4 had, we can talk about that.

so1337 · Feb 25, 2018

Stygr said:
Kingdom Come Deliverance is way better with less budget.
And these screens are bullshot, we need to see proper gameplay not promotional shots.

Way better and less budget? At least Deep Silver didn't seem to think so since they're publishing both this game and Kingdom Come Deliverance.

PunishedSnake said:
I backed this and the game looks like garbage.
The Gamescom 2017 trailer was bad, the reactions to it were bad, and in almost one year they managed to only give an extended version of that trailer, which looks even worse with those awful QTE applied to mannequins.

Gamescom was 6 months ago.

Shenmue-is-life · Feb 25, 2018

Malek said:
The game looks fine, beside Ryo's face expression it looks like a PS2 era game

Shenmue are the most "humanist" games ever made... made by a country who invented the manga aesthetic. Even with "ok" faces, the game will always find other tricks to introduce life into its characters.

tuxfool · Feb 25, 2018

GhostTrick said:
1) This is an outdated screenshot
2) The day Shenmue 3 has the budget Uncharted 4 had, we can talk about that.

Even then, this is a stupid discussion. The look is a stylistic choice. I'm sure they could have opted to go less stylistic even with their limited budget, but they want to keep a semblance of continuity in the character visuals.

A continuity that definitely isn't present in UC4.

benzy · Feb 25, 2018

Stygr said:
Kingdom Come Deliverance is way better with less budget.
And these screens are bullshot, we need to see proper gameplay not promotional shots.

And the OP images aren't promotional shots? If it looks good, it's a bullshot and doesn't represent the final game, if some facial animations currently look bad, it represents the final game and we should shit on the entire project for it, is that how this works? We've seen real-time footage with the poor animations and the environments look just as good in that.

I have Kingdom Come and the characters models and animations in that are janky as hell. You're also comparing a released game to one that's still in development. I also need some receipts on the way less budget.

Jingo · Feb 25, 2018

Isnt his game supose to releasd this year? I guess only e3 will tell.

ViewtifulJC · Feb 25, 2018

ayyyyyyyyyy lmao

bell wood's jet cola · Feb 25, 2018

I'm really not getting the criticism about Ryo's face. The animation is obviously a concern, but does anyone remember what the first few Ryo faces looked like? I guess his head looks a little small, but man, I think it looks pretty decent overall.

Deleted member 8196 · Feb 25, 2018

so1337 said:
Way better and less budget? At least Deep Silver didn't seem to think so since they're publishing both this game and Kingdom Come Deliverance.

Deep Silver is publishing the retail versions of KCD, they didnt fund the game.

benzy said:
And the OP images aren't promotional shots? If it looks good, it's a bullshot and doesn't represent the final game, if some facial animations currently look bad, it represents the final game and we should shit on the entire project for it, is that how this works? We've seen real-time footage with the poor animations and the environments look just as good in that.

Tell me where i shitted on the game? You said: "There's no KS game that looks better than Shenume III", and that's false, because KCD looks way better and stop, you are bringing the discussion away from the "graphical argument".
And regarding to the development cost, according to Warhorse the game costed nearly 5 million dollars, they raised close to 2 million via KS + paypal donations.

tuxfool said:
Eh, I can't really say that the automotons that populate KCD are that much better, they aren't as stylised and have greater fidelity of materials, but the people look plain AF, but I'm also not dinging them for it either, because I'm not an idiot without a clue of technical or production realities.

"Production realities", how funny, KCD got over 1.1 million words, hours of mo cap and dub in 3 different languages, more than 2000 different NPCs, 50 voice actors and hundred of animations for the combat system. Do you really want to compare the production realities now?

I don't want to derail the thread anymore, so i'll stop here.

The Albatross · Feb 25, 2018

Looks pretty rough, based on expectations.

bell wood's jet cola · Feb 25, 2018

Shenmue 3 raised money in addition to the Kickstarter funds. No one knows how much, but something is keeping the doors open at Ys Net. I guess I'm delusional enough to believe they ended up with the funds they originally needed to make the game as complete as possible, but no one seems to know how big the team is or who's actually working under Yu Suzuki. Does anyone know how much support Neilo is providing?

Quakeguy · Feb 25, 2018

Pmichael said:
You know, if your entire counter argument is just "they are haters" you should maybe return to the drawing boards and come back with something better.

They are like five people who had never coded in U4 before, feel ashamed of yourself.

BGBW · Feb 25, 2018

Malek said:
The game looks fine, beside Ryo's face his expression reminds me of PS2 era games

For example

Here is his face

And here is how a true next gen face looks like

Are you really comparing a game going for a stylised look vs one aiming for photo realism?

The Albatross · Feb 25, 2018

Xenosaga said:

Second guy looks like Lady Elaine from Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood.

Luckett_X · Feb 25, 2018

It looks a touch better and less "bad cartoony" than before, but you can sense the wooden facial expressions from a mile off.

Showing old Gamescom footage is weird. I don't really understand what they're doing over there, but I do understand I absolutely don't want this game in 2018. They clearly need twice as long as they're rusty as hell and have made some poor hiring decisions seemingly along the way.

ShinUltramanJ · Feb 25, 2018

Juke Joint Jezebel said:
That total lack of expression change, it's like somebodies propping two corpses on strings and controlling them like a marionette! Burst out laughing just now.

You're not kidding.

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