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CrudeDiatribe

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That's some good news, Tbm24.

I don't suppose anyone has/had low weight gain issues with their babies?

Yeah, from check-ups at weeks 2 to 4 our kid lost weight and we immediately had to put her on formula with frequent in-home visits from the mid-wives. Shortly one of them gave us feeding tubes so that she could get the formula via breastfeeding and not hork it down too quickly/easily from a bottle. We were told to pump a ton as well— I think the idea is that potentially the kid isn't sucking enough so it's too encourage milk production. It didn't help for us— my partner's breasts are doing what they can but it's not enough (despite various attempts to boost production (oats, teas, dark incantations— only thing that helped was a prescription for domperidone, but it wasn't enough). I think from week 4 to 6 months, 75-90% of the milk she got in a day is formula. This was hard on my partner who wanted to breast feed exclusively; I was never breastfed and obviously turned out amazing— so feel a lot more pragmatic about it.
 
Have an update on the whole weight affair. We got an urgent referral from our GP to go to the bigger hospital since he couldn't see anything wrong with her and we were there for 7 hours doing exams, blood tests, etc. As expected, they too have no idea (blood normal, is happy, seems healthy at least), and they want me to go dairy free to see if she has an allergy (though she has no other symptoms). What joy. I tried the same with Mia when she was super gassy as a baby and it achieved nothing but my own misery since the morning latte is the only thing that keeps me going through the day, the only thing I look forward to after these horrible nights, and the only thing getting me out of bed and functioning. They also wanted us to try dairy free formula to see how she'd respond, but as I mentioned before, she won't take the bottle and wouldn't even after they had me make her wait for three hours to make her extra hungry. Instead I got to listen to my apparently underfed baby cry for hours because she was hungry and I wasn't allowed to feed her. Then they told me I could either stay over night for observation (impossible with another kid) or come back again and they would next use feeding tubes to force feed her and test different formulas. I negotiated one week to see if cutting the dairy from my diet would help, but that failing, it's back to the hospital for feeding tubes. Wahey.


*Hugs* forget about the house, it can become a landfill right now. Just focus on you and the babies.
If you're exclusively breasfeeding and working from home, why are they having you pump? It sounds like she's feeding often enough to keep your milk supply up. Charlotte definitely had a bit of a rainbow but she ended up holding steady at the 20th percentile, they never had me coming in weekly so I didn't see the weeks she didn't gain weight or even when, I'm sure, she dropped lower than that.
You're doing great, managing two young children by yourself while the SO is lucky enough to go to work each day and escape is hard. Especially when you aren't getting enough sleep.
Have you tried eating nuts? I ate so many with Henry in those first few weeks that I made myself sick (had no idea too many nuts could actually hurt you) still all that fat I'm sure my milk was a milkshake. If you need to boost supply, oats and protein are good for that. I've got a recipe for some no bake cookies that work pretty well and are super yummy, especially if you're tired of straight up oatmeal.
If you need to vent again we're here.
Also, if Emma isn't acting hungry and is otherwise healthy try not to let them stress you out. Its very possible she has a growth spurt and laughs in their faces when she jumps back up to a percentile they're happier with.

Thanks, chica. The house isn't exactly pristine, but I try not to leave caked food on the walls at least. I'm sure my husband would understand if I let it slip more, but I think the mess would only contribute to the overall poor mood. I won't dwell on it, at any rate. Food-wise, almonds were part of the shakes I was drinking and I'd put pistachios on the plain oatmeal when I made it. I'd love the no-bake recipe if you have it handy. But, not sure I can have it now ('dairy denied' as mentioned above). As for Emma, just cross your fingers for me this week. Last chance, it seems.


We kind of had that issue after our kid was born. She lost some weight in the first week and then just didn't gain any weight for almost 2 months. We had plenty of appointments with the doctor and the lactation consultant, but never could pinpoint an issue. Is your baby still having plenty of wet diapers? Ultimately, our doctor said that because our baby was having a large number of wet diapers (and wasn't diabetic or anything like that) she was probably fine and her weight would pick up eventually. After 8 weeks, she was still holding even, so we started supplementing her feedings. My wife would breast feed and then I would give the baby a bottle. We did that for a couple of weeks and the baby started putting on weight. We only did that for maybe 4 weeks, and since then everything has been fine with her weight. The doctor told us to expect our baby to not even be on the weight growth chart for the first year, but she is in the 60th for her weight now. She was just a long skinny baby for a while. I hope things work out though. I know how stressful this can be and it is not fun. Have they had you do a weigh-in, feed her, then weigh her immediately after to try and measure how much she is getting in a feeding?

Cheers for sharing your experience. Hoping we see a similar outcome. She is having plenty of wet nappies and all three doctors that saw her said she was well-hydrated, alert, etc., but they're not satisfied and she's past 10 weeks now with no improvement. I've tried supplementing, as I mentioned, but she won't take the bottle whether it has formula or breastmilk. I have no issues topping her up with whatever if it'll help, but nothing is working. We just got two more types to try and I had some small success with the Mam bottle this morning, so hopefully I can start doing this at least twice a day to add to her intake. For the feeding and weigh-in, they had not done that yet, but I imagine they wanted to had I stayed over night for observation. The health visitor will be coming (again) and bringing her scale this time, so I'll ask her to try it then.

Have you considered formula supplementation?

Sadly she won't take it. They've given us new formula (Neocate?) and I've got some new bottles, though, so fingers crossed.


That's some good news, Tbm24.



Yeah, from check-ups at weeks 2 to 4 our kid lost weight and we immediately had to put her on formula with frequent in-home visits from the mid-wives. Shortly one of them gave us feeding tubes so that she could get the formula via breastfeeding and not hork it down too quickly/easily from a bottle. We were told to pump a ton as well— I think the idea is that potentially the kid isn't sucking enough so it's too encourage milk production. It didn't help for us— my partner's breasts are doing what they can but it's not enough (despite various attempts to boost production (oats, teas, dark incantations— only thing that helped was a prescription for domperidone, but it wasn't enough). I think from week 4 to 6 months, 75-90% of the milk she got in a day is formula. This was hard on my partner who wanted to breast feed exclusively; I was never breastfed and obviously turned out amazing— so feel a lot more pragmatic about it.

All that would be possible...if I didn't have to mind a 2 yr old (makes pumping nigh impossible more than 1-2x a day) and baby would take the damn bottle. :/ Sorry to hear you guys had to deal with that, though. As much as I didn't care initially about breastfeeding (lukewarm about it, really) it's pretty demoralizing when it doesn't work or work as it should. Everyone keeps looking at you, expecting things or pressuring or there's this lingering implication that you're doing something wrong or don't care enough, etc. The whole thing just sucks. I'll look into the domperidone, though. Thanks, CD.
 

CrudeDiatribe

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and baby would take the damn bottle

The feeding tube works really well— you poke a hole in a disposable nipple and feed it through into the formula and then after the kid has latched onto your breast you poke the tube into her mouth. Afterwards you just suck/blow a bunch of water through it to clean it out (sterilization fucks up the plastic, so we'll just pretend we sterile them/replace them often. shh). Wish I had a wrapper to tell you what they were called, but little plastic hoses that we can buy at the pharmacy.

Apparently they're called "supplemental nursing systems" and you can buy them rather than rig one up (e.g. this Medela one).

makes pumping nigh impossible more than 1-2x a day

I forgot to mention that pumping was an unhelpful non-starter. She now pumps at work sometimes (or instead comes home with exploding breasts and immediately slaps the kid on).

Would have thought a dairy allergy would manifest in her behaviour and poop.
 
Just wanted to give an update on my situation. First by saying I appreciate the comments and advice. My wife has been doing better. Rushing home that day was the right call and I ended up taking the day after off as well. It's safe to say that day was her breaking point. It was a lose lose lose situation all around for her that day because after everything she ended up feeling ultra depressed worrying she scarred our daughter and made her hate her. She's aware she's depressed and has a therapist, has had one for years since her assault. It just only does so much. I have looked into the idea of a nanny type person for hours at a time as it's the most economical(thanks for the suggestion H.Protagonist). The tricky part here is now getting my wife to agree and be comfortable with it, our living space is a small one bedroom, and I mean NYC small. It's a hard sell but working on it.

There's is light at the end of the tunnel here though. As I mentioned she's doing a lot better and is much more aware of what she's actually feeling than prior. That day I rushed home she snapped and broke some non essential things to get some relief. Not what I would have preferred clearly but I can't judge her, really can't imagine what she's dealing with and just watching it all hasn't drained me. So I think that day really cracked whatever was clouding her and it's been much better since. Now I'm not naive, how long will that last if nothing changes? As luck would have it, this whole thing has made me late more often than not to work because it's fucking hard to leave your wife and child at home knowing she's already given up before the days began and is going to be miserable. I've found myself losing track of time just trying something, anything to help. Only to leave knowing I didn't accomplish shit, if anything just made it worse because she's aware I'm going to be late. My manager ended up giving me a call(he's based in Texas) to talk to me about my lateness and how it's become a real problem.

Now I don't know others experience with their superiors but I work for a very large Fortune 500 and my managers have always been.....cold let's say about life happenings. My current manager however is a fucking rock star. I couldn't avoid talking about the issues at home with my wife and child. He ended up being super supportive and gave me the option to take a 4 day 10 hour schedule as opposed to 5 day 8 hour week. Was genuinely tough to hold back tears because I actually felt like I could do something. An extra day at home would fucking do so much for my wife. I told my wife and she was jumping out of her chair. This doesn't fix the issue but it's definitely giving us something new to work with and hope to improve the situation. Planning on having her head into the office an extra day on those days to get out and be a human. I think it'll give her back something she's lost since the later months of pregnancy until now.

This ended up being longer than I expected but I really appreciate having a place to get this out somewhere. Talking to others, particularly family with an old school mentality seem to have a hard time understanding the emotional and physical toll that childbearing and raising takes on mothers.

It all sounds awful. I'm sorry, Tb. I think my husband has similar pangs of helplessness because there's not a lot he can do and has to leave for work as well, and I know that can take a toll on you even if you're not directly at baby ground zero. But(!), this is where a nanny/babysitter-type person will really help. If you're worried about how to sell it to your wife, remind her that she deserves/needs time to focus on her own work for your future (not just for immediate relief from the situation) and that having a trusted option to watch your child opens up many doors, time for you two as a couple being an important one. If she still balks because maybe she worries that it still comes off as a self-ish or frivolous spend, you can always point out that you need to vet someone because you may have an emergency some day. A vetted sitter would be essential there. Anyway, wishing you both luck and relief. Feel free to vent any time. I sure have of late. ^_^;


The feeding tube works really well— you poke a hole in a disposable nipple and feed it through into the formula and then after the kid has latched onto your breast you poke the tube into her mouth. Afterwards you just suck/blow a bunch of water through it to clean it out (sterilization fucks up the plastic, so we'll just pretend we sterile them/replace them often. shh). Wish I had a wrapper to tell you what they were called, but little plastic hoses that we can buy at the pharmacy.

Apparently they're called "supplemental nursing systems" and you can buy them rather than rig one up (e.g. this Medela one).



I forgot to mention that pumping was an unhelpful non-starter. She now pumps at work sometimes (or instead comes home with exploding breasts and immediately slaps the kid on).

Would have thought a dairy allergy would manifest in her behaviour and poop.

Thanks, man. I'm really hoping this is what they meant and not the kind you see in ICUs. As for the allergy, yeah. I never considered it because, well, she hasn't really shown any signs except gassiness which is not exactly uncommon in babies...
 

Chopchop

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Has anyone noticed their kids suddenly becoming complete hellraisers at around 3 months? Mine is doing that by mostly becoming super fussy when feeding, and sometimes refusing to feed. It's driving both parents nuts.
 

Chopchop

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currently going through a "mental leap", maybe?
What's that?

Edit: Just looked it up. I get that he's developing and finding new sensations, but would that disturb his feeding sessions so much? Some articles have mentioned him being distracted during feeding, but I don't know if that's the case here, since we don't have much around him during feeding sessions.

He sometimes arches his back and bends away from the breast when offered, and sometimes cries. Or he pops off frequently and cries. Is it just him not being hungry? But sometimes he can be coaxed into feeding anyway, though that takes a ton out of me and my wife every time it happens.
 
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doof_warrior

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What is a mental leap?
A leap in the mental development of your baby means that suddenly there are many changes in his head. Suddenly, his brain perceives things it wasn't capable of perceiving before. This change is so great that his entire world suddenly looks different.
https://www.thewonderweeks.com/what-are-mental-leaps/

no clue if that term is actually used by medical professionals haha but i know babies can be fussier when going through, what is basically, their periods of mental development
suddenly they're sensing/perceiving new shit, and it makes them a little uncomfortable as they adjust
 

doof_warrior

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anyone else have a huge kid? haha
son just had this 2 month checkup and he's like 95+ percentile for height, weight, and head size
kid barely fits in his 0-3M clothes already

my wallet is hoping he slows down as he gets older.

bonus picture of him looking rad in his sunglasses
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Fable

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My son was like that, he's always been in the upper percentiles for height and weight. He flew through clothes, by the time he was 9 months he was in 24 months clothes. Thank goodness he stalled out and has been in them for the last 6 months or so. We live near an outlet mall and Carter's sends out coupons constantly so I did alright. It sucks though because some of the cutest stuff he grew out of after wearing it once.
 

doof_warrior

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yeah he was pretty much outgrowing his new born stuff by week 2 lol

im pretty much never buying any clothes, no matter how cute, unless they're on sale, cuz its not worth it. at least at his current rate he's growing haha
 

Chopchop

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Keep in mind that sometimes clothes also shrink when washed. We were wondering why ours was outgrowing his clothes so fast, and then it turned out that his clothes had shrunk about an inch when we compared it to the same outfit in a store.

As for cute outfits, sometimes it's worth it. You'll never get you kid to wear a giant fruit for the rest of his life, so you might as well get that cute picture now while you can.

On a more somber note though: Are there resources for male post-partum depression? I've been going through some rough times, and all the searches I do take me to PPD resources for women.
 

Kyuur

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Hi ParentERA! I will soon be joining you, 19 days to go (if the due date is spot on, fat chance)! I think we're pretty much all set to go -- just got some black out blinds today and I think I'm done buying stuff until after she's here.
 

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Hi ParentERA! I will soon be joining you, 19 days to go (if the due date is spot on, fat chance)! I think we're pretty much all set to go -- just got some black out blinds today and I think I'm done buying stuff until after she's here.

Congratulations! Good luck, try and enjoy these last few days together without a little one.
 

Rob

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Oh yeah, Logan's a big boy. My mom's been buying him 12-18 mo clothes when he's about to turn 9 months. I believe he was in the 85th percentile for height and weight. I'm afraid to buy him too many clothes because I'm not sure what he'll grow out of quickly. Then again on the other hand, I'm buying him some fun clothes like a Baloo onsie and a DBZ onsie.
 

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anyone else have a huge kid? haha
son just had this 2 month checkup and he's like 95+ percentile for height, weight, and head size
kid barely fits in his 0-3M clothes already

my wallet is hoping he slows down as he gets older.

bonus picture of him looking rad in his sunglasses

My daughter was 10lb 11oz when she was born. Our son didn't hit that weight until he was around a month old. She was an absolute beast and literally didn't fit into any Newborn sized clothes, she was in 0-3 from the day she was born. Even now at 3 years old she's very tall (still in the 99th percentile) and developed for her age. Recent picture of the two of them.

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doof_warrior

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My daughter was 10lb 11oz when she was born. Our son didn't hit that weight until he was around a month old. She was an absolute beast and literally didn't fit into any Newborn sized clothes, she was in 0-3 from the day she was born. Even now at 3 years old she's very tall (still in the 99th percentile) and developed for her age. Recent picture of the two of them.

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did your wife breast feed?
he eats so much my wife can't quite keep up. we end up supplementing with formula every once and a while
i feel bad cuz, i think sometimes if he basically sucks her dry and is still hungry, she feels like she's not doing a good enough job or something.
 

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I too have a big giant baby. He's seven months old and an absolute tank, usually ranking 90+ in length and weight at his checkups. We actually didn't realize how big he was until this weekend, when he met with his nine month friend at an event. He's basically several inches bigger than this other kid and feels like he's double the weight. He's a formula baby.
 
My daughter was 10lb 11oz when she was born. Our son didn't hit that weight until he was around a month old. She was an absolute beast and literally didn't fit into any Newborn sized clothes, she was in 0-3 from the day she was born. Even now at 3 years old she's very tall (still in the 99th percentile) and developed for her age. Recent picture of the two of them.

My kid is 3 months old and only just passed 10lbs... *___*

Beautiful picture, btw.
 

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did your wife breast feed?
he eats so much my wife can't quite keep up. we end up supplementing with formula every once and a while
i feel bad cuz, i think sometimes if he basically sucks her dry and is still hungry, she feels like she's not doing a good enough job or something.

No, we just stuck with powdered milk for both of ours. She wasn't keen on the idea and I like being able to help out with nightfeeds and to give her nights off.

My kid is 3 months old and only just passed 10lbs... *___*

Beautiful picture, btw.

Yeah she was an absolute tank. I liked it that way though becuase she never felt fragile, it was like dealing with a toddler from day one. She's still very big for her age now, but it's all height. She's not overweight or anything. The wee man was still pretty big (8lb 11oz) but still feels small in comparison.
 

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Last night me and my girlfriend set up email address for our kids. The idea is we just send them emails, pictures videos etc as they grow up then give them the logins when they turn 18. Anyone done anything similar?
 

Anno

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Last night me and my girlfriend set up email address for our kids. The idea is we just send them emails, pictures videos etc as they grow up then give them the logins when they turn 18. Anyone done anything similar?

Yeah we're doing the same thing. Not sure if we'll wait all the way until she's 18, though, and we may do a physical journal as well.
 

Kyuur

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All this talk of big kids; our fundal height measured a bit high last week so we got sent for an ultrasound. Back to normal this week and our kid is around 50th percentile I guess, thankfully because we bought a decent amount of newborn stuff!

Congratulations! Good luck, try and enjoy these last few days together without a little one.

Thanks! Honestly a little anxious for her to get here already!

Last night me and my girlfriend set up email address for our kids. The idea is we just send them emails, pictures videos etc as they grow up then give them the logins when they turn 18. Anyone done anything similar?

This is a cool idea. We really gotta get into the habit of just documenting more to begin with, so bad at it.
 

Briareos

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Our kids have their logins, but I have my hosting setup so that the wife and I get a copy of everything they receive. They mostly use it for emailing grandparents.
 
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Got my son's passport in the mail today. Very cute. They gave us the 52 page one even though children's passports are only good for 5 years and we didn't request the larger one.

Anyone have tips for babies on long flights? We'll be in the air around 13 hours :-/

Last night me and my girlfriend set up email address for our kids. The idea is we just send them emails, pictures videos etc as they grow up then give them the logins when they turn 18. Anyone done anything similar?

Good idea. I'm snagging my son's name on gmail right now. I'm thinking about squatting my son's .com domain too. Or maybe .io. It will be a long time before he needs it, but I don't want to lose out on it.
 
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Mathieran

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So we are thinking about setting up our daughter who is going to be entering middle school with a phone. We have an old iPhone that she could have.

We don't think she needs a full plan though. Anyone know of a good pre paid or pay as you go plan that includes texting?

I got a little confused while googling about what my options are. I don't really want her to have data.
 

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When they were very young my wife nursed during takeoff and landing, with small snacks and toys in between to stay distracted. As they got a little older the 3DS worked very well, and the usual movies. My youngest watched Tom and Jerry Wizard of Oz like four times on a flight back from Europe to the States.
 

Chopchop

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When does adult life return to some level of normalcy for parents?

Like, when can parents start feeling like normal people again instead of constantly fighting child-related fires and worries 24/7 while having no time or energy left over to do things for themselves?
 

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When does adult life return to some level of normalcy for parents?

Like, when can parents start feeling like normal people again instead of constantly fighting child-related fires and worries 24/7 while having no time or energy left over to do things for themselves?
Depends on the family, how much local support you have, and how independent your kid(s) grow up to be. We're approaching "normal" in the sense that we don't always have to fret over everything our kids (5 & 2) are doing. I imagine once our youngest is out of diapers (soon hopefully...) we'll be most of the way there. If you have family, or reliable babysitters you should try to get a night out together and be adults for a night. We shoot for at least once a month to have a proper date night. You don't have to go out either if you can drop the kid(s) off at a relative's place then you can just spend the night in. That's done wonders for us.

I also go out of my way to call my wife her name instead of "mom or mommy" like I do around the kids. She hears that enough all day while I'm at work and it's nice to remember you have adult relationships.

The other thing we do is let the other go out with friends for a night without the kids. My wife will catch a movie with friends or just hang out somewhere, and I'll do the same when the opportunity presents itself.

Realistically, it's never going back to the way it was before kids so normal is tough to say but we're doing ok so far.
 

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When does adult life return to some level of normalcy for parents?

Like, when can parents start feeling like normal people again instead of constantly fighting child-related fires and worries 24/7 while having no time or energy left over to do things for themselves?

That's really going to vary a lot. My kids are 4 & 1 and my day basically revolves around them constantly with very little downtime if any. By the time they're in bed I'm exhausted. Before our one year old was born things were finally to a point where we didn't have to watch the 4 year old constantly so that was nice but then we ruined it lol Our second one seems to have more of a death wish than the first so we'll see when he gets to a point where he doesn't have to be constantly supervised.
 

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Anyone have any suggestions for dealing with reflux? Over the last 4 or 5 days my 4 month old has been crying like crazy at night after we lay her down, and we noticed today that we can't hear gurgling in her throat when she's unhappy. She arches her back and cries like crazy until we hold her upright. Then as soon as we lay her flat she cries again. We're gonna call the pediatrician on Monday to schedule a visit, but in the interim does anyone have any suggestions beyond holding her upright after feeding?
 

Briareos

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Like, when can parents start feeling like normal people again instead of constantly fighting child-related fires and worries 24/7 while having no time or energy left over to do things for themselves?

As Bladelaw mentions, you can never go home again, but you experience different things. Mine are just about to turn 14 and 11 and with the eldest it's our anxiety about her ability to balance academic needs, extracurricular interests, the emotional swings of puberty, making sure she has healthy relationships with friends, etc.In that sense it's gone from exhaustion to anxiety over the last ten+ years I suppose. With the youngest it's that she herself is a worrier and figuring out how to gently bring that around before it becomes a real problem.

The nature of the surprises and amusement changes, too, of course. My youngest draws all her own hilarious comic books, and I was teasing the eldest by texting her a picture of a meal I know she likes to eat. She wrote back "I'm making a banana cream pie [my favorite] and feeding it to the dog" which is the sort of cutting wit I've always wanted my kids to have... until she uses it against us in anger a few years hence, natch.
 

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Thanks everyone.

We shoot for at least once a month to have a proper date night. You don't have to go out either if you can drop the kid(s) off at a relative's place then you can just spend the night in. That's done wonders for us.

The other thing we do is let the other go out with friends for a night without the kids. My wife will catch a movie with friends or just hang out somewhere, and I'll do the same when the opportunity presents itself.

Realistically, it's never going back to the way it was before kids so normal is tough to say but we're doing ok so far.
It's the ability to hang out without the kid that I miss the most. I recognize that life will never be the same again, but I guess I'm just hoping for a time when I can spend time with the wife or with friends and be able to actually enjoy it as time with friends/wife, and not just see it as a short, extremely temporary break from the kid (with all associated feelings of worry/guilt about what's going on with him while you're away). Everything in my mind constantly revolves around him at the moment, so I don't feel like I can even enjoy anything else right now. That's the part that I hope will change eventually.

That's really going to vary a lot. My kids are 4 & 1 and my day basically revolves around them constantly with very little downtime if any. By the time they're in bed I'm exhausted. Before our one year old was born things were finally to a point where we didn't have to watch the 4 year old constantly so that was nice but then we ruined it lol Our second one seems to have more of a death wish than the first so we'll see when he gets to a point where he doesn't have to be constantly supervised.
The "very little downtime and exhausted by the time they're in bed" part is definitely my life right now.

Lol, I have heard other parents mentioning that the first kid was okay, while the second gave them a hell of a lot more trouble. Sometimes it's the reverse though, where the first was a little hellraiser while the second turns out to be an easy kid.

I only have one right now, but I don't want him to be an only child. So I'll probably walk headlong into that shit eventually lol.
As Bladelaw mentions, you can never go home again, but you experience different things. Mine are just about to turn 14 and 11 and with the eldest it's our anxiety about her ability to balance academic needs, extracurricular interests, the emotional swings of puberty, making sure she has healthy relationships with friends, etc.In that sense it's gone from exhaustion to anxiety over the last ten+ years I suppose. With the youngest it's that she herself is a worrier and figuring out how to gently bring that around before it becomes a real problem.

The nature of the surprises and amusement changes, too, of course. My youngest draws all her own hilarious comic books, and I was teasing the eldest by texting her a picture of a meal I know she likes to eat. She wrote back "I'm making a banana cream pie [my favorite] and feeding it to the dog" which is the sort of cutting wit I've always wanted my kids to have... until she uses it against us in anger a few years hence, natch.
Mine is way younger than that right now, but I can easily imagine that the worries never really go away. I can now mentally replay the shit I went through as a kid, and realize that my parents must've been worried about me all the way through.

But I do hope that as mine gets a bit older, he'll will be a little more independent and can be left alone for at least a while without bursting into flames or something. It's not that I don't like taking care of him, but the way kids completely dominate every aspect of your life 24/7 is just hitting me hard, I think.

Anyone have any suggestions for dealing with reflux? Over the last 4 or 5 days my 4 month old has been crying like crazy at night after we lay her down, and we noticed today that we can't hear gurgling in her throat when she's unhappy. She arches her back and cries like crazy until we hold her upright. Then as soon as we lay her flat she cries again. We're gonna call the pediatrician on Monday to schedule a visit, but in the interim does anyone have any suggestions beyond holding her upright after feeding?
Sorry, I don't know of anything besides reflux meds and holding her upright.
 
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Meauxse

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Anyone have any suggestions for dealing with reflux? Over the last 4 or 5 days my 4 month old has been crying like crazy at night after we lay her down, and we noticed today that we can't hear gurgling in her throat when she's unhappy. She arches her back and cries like crazy until we hold her upright. Then as soon as we lay her flat she cries again. We're gonna call the pediatrician on Monday to schedule a visit, but in the interim does anyone have any suggestions beyond holding her upright after feeding?

Our now 5 month started this about 4 months. Doc said it was fine (the gurgling).

Little dude also cries when laying on his back. He basically wants to be held. Gas was also a contributor.

Our a baby is also a tank. 98+ percentile in height and weight.

He's a cute kid tho.

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Mine is way younger than that right now, but I can easily imagine that the worries never really go away. I can now mentally replay the shit I went through as a kid, and realize that my parents must've been worried about me all the way through.
Ha, see, that's very wise of you. It's always an exciting moment when you realize your parents were imperfect human beings trying the best they could. And I have no idea how they should have been able to tell that my staying out constantly and getting up to shenanigans was harmless because I had excellent judgment and a bit of luck, whereas my brother's took a more sinister turn and really did derail him in his teen years.

But I do hope that as mine gets a bit older, he'll will be a little more independent and can be left alone for at least a while without bursting into flames or something. It's not that I don't like taking care of him, but the way kids completely dominate every aspect of your life 24/7 is just hitting me hard, I think.
My wife and I still struggle to remember that our kids are old enough to stay home by themselves and we should just regularly plan to be out and about away from them. Part of it is that we're homebodies, part is that we have spent 13 years establishing a family routine of activities--video game night, movie night, D&D with the kids, etc. But you have to give them space to become independent people, or they'll end up sheltered, and be at higher risk when they get a car, head off to college, etc. It's going to be an interesting next four years. I just went to high school orientation last week...
 

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So Tadhg has entered this weird phase of sleeping with his eyes open. So damn creepy.

Also can never tell if he's actually asleep or just watching me
 

Chopchop

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We're trying to cut back on our kid's night feeds (which had gone way up last month due to feeding issues) to encourage him to sleep more at night and get most of his milk during the day instead, but so far our kid doesn't seem to have gotten the memo. He's been taking about the same volume of milk for a few days now, even though we've cut out one of the night feeds. I'm hoping he adjusts soon, but the wait has been unnerving.

Ha, see, that's very wise of you. It's always an exciting moment when you realize your parents were imperfect human beings trying the best they could. And I have no idea how they should have been able to tell that my staying out constantly and getting up to shenanigans was harmless because I had excellent judgment and a bit of luck, whereas my brother's took a more sinister turn and really did derail him in his teen years.


My wife and I still struggle to remember that our kids are old enough to stay home by themselves and we should just regularly plan to be out and about away from them. Part of it is that we're homebodies, part is that we have spent 13 years establishing a family routine of activities--video game night, movie night, D&D with the kids, etc. But you have to give them space to become independent people, or they'll end up sheltered, and be at higher risk when they get a car, head off to college, etc. It's going to be an interesting next four years. I just went to high school orientation last week...
I look forward to when we get into a family routine. Right now we're trying to get the kid to sleep on a schedule, and it's... going forward with mixed results.
 

Meauxse

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Allergies and maybe pink eye has hit little dude hard.

For a five month old, the daycares really like to tell you that the kid can't come in today. It's a giant PITA. Luckily my wife has a more flexible schedule than I do hah.
 

Chopchop

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Allergies and maybe pink eye has hit little dude hard.

For a five month old, the daycares really like to tell you that the kid can't come in today. It's a giant PITA. Luckily my wife has a more flexible schedule than I do hah.
With how often I'd like to go home to help out, I am seriously considering switching jobs to something that allows mostly remote work.

I just wish I knew some good jobs that do that.
 

skeptem

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Now that we have the second one a few things we've learned over the last 4 months are:
  • No two kids are the same - Our daughter was a walk in the park compared to him. He's not the hardest kid, but much more needing of attention and help while sleeping.
  • Sleep is hard - Again with out daughter she was sleeping through the night by 3 months, here we are at 4 and he is still waking up at least once.
  • Older sibling might not like the younger one - This one seems obvious, but she was so into babies that we were sure she would love having one around...we were wrong.
  • Doing anything is much harder - We used to go out fairly often with our daughter, but with the two of them it becomes a whole new ball game. Planning and feedings for both is a pain.
  • Keeping each other sane is even more important than before - My wife and I used to lead pretty healthy social lives on our own when we had our daughter, but because he is so inconsistent we need to really be there to help each other out as much as possible.
All that said....he smiles non stop and it's equally annoying as it is adorable.
 

Chopchop

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Now that we have the second one a few things we've learned over the last 4 months are:
  • No two kids are the same - Our daughter was a walk in the park compared to him. He's not the hardest kid, but much more needing of attention and help while sleeping.
  • Sleep is hard - Again with out daughter she was sleeping through the night by 3 months, here we are at 4 and he is still waking up at least once.
  • Older sibling might not like the younger one - This one seems obvious, but she was so into babies that we were sure she would love having one around...we were wrong.
  • Doing anything is much harder - We used to go out fairly often with our daughter, but with the two of them it becomes a whole new ball game. Planning and feedings for both is a pain.
  • Keeping each other sane is even more important than before - My wife and I used to lead pretty healthy social lives on our own when we had our daughter, but because he is so inconsistent we need to really be there to help each other out as much as possible.
All that said....he smiles non stop and it's equally annoying as it is adorable.
All of this terrifies me. I'm having enough trouble keeping my wife and I sane with just one.
 

skeptem

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All of this terrifies me. I'm having enough trouble keeping my wife and I sane with just one.
It honestly feels like we are back at how we were before my daughter was born. In that everything feels new again and we aren't as good at this as we thought we would be.

Maybe it was hubris, but we attributed how good our daughter was with how structured we were. But with our son we realize that she deserves more of the credit in that she was just a good kid.

Again, he isn't bad at all. Just different. And that being different threw us through a loop. If anything it shouldn't scare you off from having more, but really prepare you in that it will feel like you are back to square one.
 

Chopchop

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It honestly feels like we are back at how we were before my daughter was born. In that everything feels new again and we aren't as good at this as we thought we would be.

Maybe it was hubris, but we attributed how good our daughter was with how structured we were. But with our son we realize that she deserves more of the credit in that she was just a good kid.

Again, he isn't bad at all. Just different. And that being different threw us through a loop. If anything it shouldn't scare you off from having more, but really prepare you in that it will feel like you are back to square one.
I'll keep that in mind if I decide to have a second.

I think since I'm at around 4 months right now, I'm probably still way too close to square one in the first place to feel anything but frazzled at the moment. I feel like my wife and I are just trying to survive and stay sane right now, with mixed success.
 

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The first six weeks tend to be the hardest, then the first three months. You eventually find your rhythm, but things really start looking up when they start sleeping through the night. My oldest, my daughter, slept through the night consistently around six months I believe. With my son it was closer to thirteen months. ItsI the same when adding a second iveI found. That first outing with both of them I was exhausted and thought never agina, but now I regualregtake them both out by myself.
My oldest was much worse than my son, she cried constantly it felt like the first three months while my son was all smiles. He doesn't handle being sick well though. She'll cuddle or just want to be left alone and he just wants to spread his misery, nothing helps him and he must follow you around crying. It's interesting to see how different they are.