Age of Empires: Definitive Edition |OT| #wololo

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 21, 2018

So I got the game and...oof, it needs work

Lots of little issues with the graphics. There's a weird flicker in some zoom levels that goes away if you zoom in and out briefly. Some of the background detailing is so over the top that I have a hard time finding my units. Tried to play a game with a friend and sending out invites literally didn't work for me or him. We'd send out an invite and the other person never got it.

On top of that, AI pathfinding is horrid, the lack of farm queuing is just painful, and the soundtrack...man the soundtrack. What a shame. They butchered pretty much every song. Give the original soundtrack a listen. It's like night and day.

Some of this stuff can be fixed with updates. Others, like the soundtrack, kinda can't be. Well maybe a "play original soundtrack" option in the settings, but still.

HypedBulborb · Feb 21, 2018

JaseC said:
It does seem as though the WinStore exclusivity is just for the launch window, like Ori 2:

Ori 2 will be Windows Store exclusive at first too? Damn, that sucks, wanted to get it day 1...

Ge0force · Feb 21, 2018

JaseC said:
It does seem as though the WinStore exclusivity is just for the launch window, like Ori 2:

Disappointing but not unexpected. I'm happy that Ori 2 may come to other stores as well. I can wait.

Akoi · Feb 21, 2018

ctw0e said:
I've been in touch with Microsoft and ASUS on several occasions and they've assured me it's the motherboard, outside of a few instances where they weren't certain. It's possible it's not the motherboard at all, but I'm not sure what to think after trying every method under the sun; including updating via Windows Update itself, Windows Update Assistant, Media Creation Tool and a clean install. I even got another motherboard of the same model (and upgraded the rest), but Windows 1703 simply refuses to play ball.

Meanwhile, I have an updated and fully working build of Windows 10 1709 on an old i7 920 + Asus P6T SE from 2008.

So if you take a windows 1709 iso and do a clean install (format and everything booting off the usb/dvd) it doesnt work? what does it do?

Potterson · Feb 21, 2018

WinStore - > WOLOLOO -> Steam

I wish. I hate using this desktop/mobile/appstore thing.

But the game is... Weird. StarCraft Remastered felt a bit better tbh. Pathfinding is horrible. But there are some new neat elements - like new animation for destruction. And you can queue units! Holy Molly. I think it's for the hardcore AoE1 fans only though.

Dancrane212 · Feb 21, 2018

Yeah the pathfinding is still real rough. Watching 4 axemen slowly queue up alongside each other, all going for the same spot to attack a building, and then spending another 10 seconds figuring out where they need to go is a bit too "classic" for my tastes.

Enjoying going through the initial campaign though. As a young C&C junkie almost all my time with Age was spent in the scenario editor, giving myself massive forces to play with rather than go through the "complex" resource gathering the game expects of you. The history blurbs are a nice touch.

LuisGarcia · Feb 21, 2018

I thought this was coming out on Xbox one for some reason.

Deleted member 2254 · Feb 21, 2018

LuisGarcia said:
I thought this was coming out on Xbox one for some reason.

Microsoft has been using the Xbox brand for some games that have all kinds of Xbox features (achievements and so on) without actually being on Xbox. We've had mobile-like games do that, now there's this. At the Milan Games Week, this game was under a giant green banner for Xbox. And yet, it's PC. I wouldn't be shocked to see this work on Xbox if you use keyboard & mouse in the future, though.

sibarraz · Feb 21, 2018

I'm curious on what are they going to do with the remasters of AOE2 in AOE3

The upgraded sprites will be cool in AOE2 which now has a lot of content thanks to the steam edition, I would love to see the new campaigns feel more cohesive with the original ones, specially the forgotten empires ones.

And with 3 I guess that upscaled models will do the job since I can't see what else could they improve without changing the game that much

SmartWaffles · Feb 21, 2018

ctw0e said:
It requires 1703.

My 1 year old motherboard is not compatible with 1703 (or higher) though, so there's no way to update.

What? I can install 1709 on my desktop which has a 3 year old mb and my nearly 5 year old laptop just fine.

Chaosblade · Feb 21, 2018

sibarraz said:
I'm curious on what are they going to do with the remasters of AOE2 in AOE3

The upgraded sprites will be cool in AOE2 which now has a lot of content thanks to the steam edition, I would love to see the new campaigns feel more cohesive with the original ones, specially the forgotten empires ones.

And with 3 I guess that upscaled models will do the job since I can't see what else could they improve without changing the game that much

Do we know if they are even going to bother with those? I was under the impression the only reason AoE1 got this treatment is because it wasn't feasible to simply release an updated version like they did with AoE2HD.

Windu · Feb 21, 2018

Chaosblade said:
Do we know if they are even going to bother with those? I was under the impression the only reason AoE1 got this treatment is because it wasn't feasible to simply release an updated version like they did with AoE2HD.

Yeah they have already announced Definitive Editions of 2 and 3.

Dancrane212 · Feb 21, 2018

Chaosblade said:
Do we know if they are even going to bother with those? I was under the impression the only reason AoE1 got this treatment is because it wasn't feasible to simply release an updated version like they did with AoE2HD.

Yes, they were announced when AoE DE was.

Akai · Feb 21, 2018

Chaosblade said:
Do we know if they are even going to bother with those? I was under the impression the only reason AoE1 got this treatment is because it wasn't feasible to simply release an updated version like they did with AoE2HD.

At Gamescom last year they announced:

- Age of Empires 1: Definitive Edition
- Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition
- Age of Empires 3: Definitive Edition
- Age of Empires 4

So, yes, they will bother with those.

Chaosblade · Feb 21, 2018

Well, that's something I guess. I admit I really couldn't care less about either of those, but want AoE1 just to have an updated version of it.

Especially if they change the visuals. AoE1 DE looks worse than AoE2 to me, but that's probably just nostalgia.

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 21, 2018

The AI seems completely broken in the single player campaign. I'm playing the first non-tutorial campaign and in literally the first mission I get spammed clubmen/axemen until I die, and there's no way to build up the resources to defend yourself.

I'm wondering if they even tested the single player. Apparently none of the betas seemed to have the campaigns?

DaciaJC · Feb 21, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
On top of that, AI pathfinding is horrid, the lack of farm queuing is just painful, and the soundtrack...man the soundtrack. What a shame. They butchered pretty much every song. Give the original soundtrack a listen. It's like night and day.

Some of this stuff can be fixed with updates. Others, like the soundtrack, kinda can't be. Well maybe a "play original soundtrack" option in the settings, but still.

I haven't played the game myself, haven't even watched much footage of it, but from the couple of trailers that came out, I had much the same impressions regarding the music. I usually prefer orchestration over MIDI-style tracks, but in the case of the few samples I listened to, I couldn't get over how different they sounded compared to the tracks I listened to as a kid. Kind of a bummer, to be honest.

Tiber · Feb 22, 2018

Ran perfectly for me for a couple of days, now like many others I suddenly can't open the game without it instantly crashing.

After all the countless issues with HD? Meh, guess I shouldn't be surpised

Tiber · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
The AI seems completely broken in the single player campaign. I'm playing the first non-tutorial campaign and in literally the first mission I get spammed clubmen/axemen until I die, and there's no way to build up the resources to defend yourself.

I'm wondering if they even tested the single player. Apparently none of the betas seemed to have the campaigns?

Didn't AOE1 always do this?

Beatle · Feb 22, 2018

Don't legitimize windows store, if it won't sell it will come to steam soon enough

SuikerBrood · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
The AI seems completely broken in the single player campaign. I'm playing the first non-tutorial campaign and in literally the first mission I get spammed clubmen/axemen until I die, and there's no way to build up the resources to defend yourself.

I'm wondering if they even tested the single player. Apparently none of the betas seemed to have the campaigns?

That's supposed to happen if I recall correctly. You can put the settings to easy.

horkrux · Feb 22, 2018

Tiber said:
Ran perfectly for me for a couple of days, now like many others I suddenly can't open the game without it instantly crashing.

After all the countless issues with HD? Meh, guess I shouldn't be surpised

That's a common issue with MS store games for some reason.
You need to install a free app from the store (any app will do) and then you can suddenly play your games again.

Might not last, so you'll have to repeat it lol

KingSnake · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
The AI seems completely broken in the single player campaign. I'm playing the first non-tutorial campaign and in literally the first mission I get spammed clubmen/axemen until I die, and there's no way to build up the resources to defend yourself.

I'm wondering if they even tested the single player. Apparently none of the betas seemed to have the campaigns?

That's AOE, alright! It's a feature, not a bug.

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 22, 2018

Even on Standard? I didn't even bump it up to Moderate lmao

sibarraz · Feb 22, 2018

I can't remember if I ever played the original AOE campaign, it was good? or not as good as the AOK/conquerors?

Or maybe I just have fondness for the AOK campaigns because of the cutscenes and memeworthy lines

Tiber · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
Even on Standard? I didn't even bump it up to Moderate lmao

AOE1 was a impressive for its time and set the foundations for what in my opinion is the best RTS of all time in AOE2.... but yea it had a lot of issues. The campaigns after you get out of the Greek tutorial can be brutally hard.

When you get into a mindset of producing military to defend yourself before focusing on a balanced economy you can still alive long enough to make some progress and quickly overwhelm the AI

Tiber · Feb 22, 2018

sibarraz said:
I can't remember if I ever played the original AOE campaign, it was good? or not as good as the AOK/conquerors?

Or maybe I just have fondness for the AOK campaigns because of the cutscenes and memeworthy lines

Very little in AOE1 compares well to AOE2, if you are expecting AOE2 level gameplay you will be very disappointed. But its still a nice bit of nostalgia for £15 if you enjoyed old school RTS

~Fake · Feb 22, 2018

Tiber said:
Didn't AOE1 always do this?

Depends of the difficult. High difficults they put even more resources to bots.

DocSeuss · Feb 22, 2018

This is so much more fun than pretty much every RTS that came after it. Got a few niggling complaints, mostly about pathfinding and the inability to queue up multiple different things at buildings, but I love the slower pace (it runs really nice at 2X). Most issues I've had are UWP issues, I think.

The keybindings are REALLY weird, though? Why are there separate pause and menu buttons, when they perform the same function? Why is a mouse-driven game requiring players to take their right hand off the mouse to access the menu button, one of the most important buttons in the game? Why are these the exact same key bindings as in Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2?

I'm SO excited to see The First Punic War (a demo campaign!!!!!!!!!) available.

Eatin' Olives said:
The AI seems completely broken in the single player campaign. I'm playing the first non-tutorial campaign and in literally the first mission I get spammed clubmen/axemen until I die, and there's no way to build up the resources to defend yourself.

I'm wondering if they even tested the single player. Apparently none of the betas seemed to have the campaigns?

As soon as you start, upgrade to axemen, get a dock set up to grab some fishies, get your guys gathering food.

This is just how the mission works.

It's not an easy game.

KingSnake · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
Even on Standard? I didn't even bump it up to Moderate lmao

Yes. Build first some defence and gather food and focus then on the economy.

The funny thing is that I remember the MP games also starting like this a lot of times. Some jerk building a quick army and then raiding the rest in an attempt for a blitzkrieg.

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 22, 2018

KingSnake said:
Yes. Build first some defence and gather food and focus then on the economy.

The funny thing is that I remember the MP games also starting like this a lot of times. Some jerk building a quick army and then raiding the rest in an attempt for a blitzkrieg.

I guess that's how treaties became a thing lol, to the point where they're a built-in option in AoE 2 HD's online.

KingSnake · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
I guess that's how treaties became a thing lol, to the point where they're a built-in option in AoE 2 HD's online.

Well in AOE2 the town centres can defend themselves and you can garrison villagers in them so it's not as easy to try this trick.

Poison Jam · Feb 22, 2018

What's with the one low-res catapult?

Altazor · Feb 22, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
On top of that, AI pathfinding is horrid, the lack of farm queuing is just painful, and the soundtrack...man the soundtrack. What a shame. They butchered pretty much every song. Give the original soundtrack a listen. It's like night and day.

Some of this stuff can be fixed with updates. Others, like the soundtrack, kinda can't be. Well maybe a "play original soundtrack" option in the settings, but still.

haven't played the game yet but after listening to the DE Soundtrack a lot for the past couple of months... I sorta agree? There's some song remakes that sound really close to the originals (like "I Shall Return"/Tango Alpha Bravo, or "Ransom at Ctesiphon"/Hyman's Wrath) but others barely sound anything like the classic ones (IMHO, the most egregious example of this is "Cradle of Civilization"/Sick Sate Rittim, that only takes like the rhythmic base of the MIDI and does something... completely unremarkable with it). Some of the embellishments are also not that good IMO and just detract from the melodic simplicity and memorability of the original compositions that didn't need many extraneous elements.
The fact that the Redbook Audio soundtrack (because the original AoE had two different OSTs) wasn't even considered and that AoE's fucking main theme isn't included (?!) kinda rubs salt in the wound.

But there's also a lot of things I like. I'm quite fond of most of the Rise of Rome remade tracks, to be honest - somehow they just sound closer to the originals than the ones from the base game.

DaciaJC · Feb 22, 2018

Poison Jam said:
What's with the one low-res catapult?

Easter egg!

DocSeuss · Feb 22, 2018

What the FUCK?

So, I booted up the Battle of Mylae mission, which is my second favorite RTS mission of all time.

Something was off when I started the Punic War campaign; the first mission, the Struggle for Sicily, was replaced with a new mission, The Battle for Agrigentum, which isn't bad or anything, though it does send hordes of enemies at you.

Then I played the second mission. It's on a completely different map!!!! Like, the entire layout is different. Instead of being on a continent on the left and having to fight across to the right (with a yellow base on an island to the south), you're on this weird, huge continent that covers the south of the map and reaches up to the middle.

Why the fuck did they do this. I wanted to play Age of Empires missions, not some weird new shit.

I'm really worried that when I beat it, my favorite mission, the Battle of Tunes, is going to be even worse. I couldn't wait to find that map's hidden army, to take on Regulus, and save my navy from certain death early on! WTF. Why would you do this? It would be like remaking Counterstrike and then completely redesigning Dust's layout to the point where it's entirely unrecognizable. Why? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

Add new missions if you like, but don't redesign the old ones completely; the entire reason I bought this was to play the old missions on a new computer.

EDIT: I tweeted some pictures. I can't get Shadowplay to take UWP screenshots so the second one is a phone pic. Fuck UWP too. I just want to take screenshots, you dicks.

Altazor · Feb 22, 2018

that's really fucking disappointing. WTH?

EDIT: Maybe you can contact the devs and ask them if that's intentional and they just straight up replaced the original campaign with different maps (while keeping the names) or it's some sort of fumble and they added new maps but forgot to include the original (or whatever). Implausible, I know, but still.

DocSeuss · Feb 22, 2018

Altazor said:
that's really fucking disappointing. WTH?

EDIT: Maybe you can contact the devs and ask them if that's intentional and they just straight up replaced the original campaign with different maps (while keeping the names) or it's some sort of fumble and they added new maps but forgot to include the original (or whatever). Implausible, I know, but still.

I edited my post with two pictures showing the before and after. These were written as tweets to @ageofempires on twitter.

Now I'm beginning to wonder if the rest of the missions were changed.

Altazor · Feb 22, 2018

DocSeuss said:
I edited my post with two pictures showing the before and after. These were written as tweets to @ageofempires on twitter.

Now I'm beginning to wonder if the rest of the missions were changed.

hope you get a clear answer, man. Even if it's negative (as in "they're all new maps"), at least you'll know.

Dancrane212 · Feb 22, 2018

That's a bizarre choice. Took a look on their forms to see if there was any info on why that is.

Only found the following in a post about "Classic Mode".

Unfortunately, Definitive Edition campaigns are made using the new scenario format, while also making use of the new objects. Some of the campaigns have received considerable changes (e.g. the Yamato campaign). To play Campaigns in Classic Mode you would need to actually use the original campaigns from 1999.
We will eventually extend the Classic Mode to more areas of the game, such as Multiplayer (temporarily disabled for some underlying issues) and Custom Campaigns, as well as possibly new custom scenarios in the Scenario Editor.

But no explanation as to why there are those "considerable" changes.

*There's apparently a workaround to import the untouched levels into the DE but only with the original assets which defeats the whole purpose of the remaster...

DocSeuss · Feb 22, 2018

I still can't see how to activate Classic Mode in anything.

They reworked Yamato too? What the fuck. Why? If you wanted to do new shit, why not just add new shit?

Dancrane212 · Feb 22, 2018

DocSeuss said:
I still can't see how to activate Classic Mode in anything.

They reworked Yamato too? What the fuck. Why? If you wanted to do new shit, why not just add new shit?

@rySKI said:
My dudes, what happened to classic mode?

rhrmn
It's currently only available in custom single player games.

DocSeuss · Feb 22, 2018

Ahhh.

I'm still furious about the completely unnecessary changes to the original campaign missions.

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 22, 2018

What are the differences between the two modes?

DocSeuss · Feb 23, 2018

Eatin' Olives said:
What are the differences between the two modes?

Graphics, as far as I can tell. Original vs remastered. I was hoping for, like, a Halo CEA graphics button.

Deleted member 24907 · Feb 23, 2018

DocSeuss said:
Graphics, as far as I can tell. Original vs remastered. I was hoping for, like, a Halo CEA graphics button.

Ah, thought there was also some gameplay changes or something.

Cudpug · Feb 23, 2018

Two quick questions my friends - is Classic Mode available in custom maps you make (scenario editor)? And if so, do you still get to keep the expanded population limit?

And in general how does the expanded population limit work? Can I just build houses that take me above the old 50 unit mark? Is there a limit still?

Thank you so much!

MMaRsu · Feb 23, 2018

I loved AOE when I was a kid. This sounds like garbage tho :/.

sam777 · Feb 24, 2018

So I want this game but my PC is rubbish it currently has an Nvidia GTX 550 Ti, will that be any good to run this game? Thanks

tmtyf · Feb 24, 2018

Started the game up today. Have a sound bug where it sounds tinny/ high pitched . Unplayable till I can figure out what's going on :(

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