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Oct 27, 2017
4,645
The only thing I need from BP 2 is a scene where they do some kind of burial ceremony or something for the uncle.

Knowing N'Jobu is stuck in that apartment instead of with the rest of the ancestors is hurting my soul man :(
 

Joeytj

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Oct 30, 2017
3,673
To be fair, the RLM guys weren't referring to the fact that tribal rituals still exist, more that otherwise smart people would then blindly start following and obeying the winner of the duel (but they do neglect to mention that some, like W'Kabi, actually have somewhat valid reasons to prefer Erik over T'Challa).

They still comment on the tribal look of it all, not just the transfer of power.

And although hey could've made this more clear in he movie, the Golden Tribe (T'Challa' family/tribe) has never had a real challenge before because everybody was pretty happy with the way things have been going in Wakanda. Although it does surprise me that nobody has ever bested a member of the ruling family in a duel.

I loved that those same traditions though, are shamed in the movie by way of the characters' shock that they have to accept Killmonger just because he won the duel.

The RLM guys completely also missed how the movie acknowledges the shortcomings of this system and how it also has to change.

Maybe T'Challa will have a prime minister or something now.
 

Flow

Community Resettler
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,340
Florida, USA
They still comment on the tribal look of it all, not just the transfer of power.

And although hey could've made this more clear in he movie, the Golden Tribe (T'Challa' family/tribe) has never had a real challenge before because everybody was pretty happy with the way things have been going in Wakanda. Although it does surprise me that nobody has ever bested a member of the ruling family in a duel.

I loved that those same traditions though, are shamed in the movie by way of the characters' shock that they have to accept Killmonger just because he won the duel.

The RLM guys completely also missed how the movie acknowledges the shortcomings of this system and how it also has to change.

Maybe T'Challa will have a prime minister or something now.
you are warm.


This is why Coates run needs to be made into a film. Yo what if instead of the Atlantis flood they are going to use the Thanos invasion instead as means to kick off the distrust among Wakanda citizens and the ruling King.


Damn I think I figured out BP 2.
 

Madness

Member
Oct 25, 2017
791
Really liked the movie. Felt Killmonger was almost anti-hero than a villain. Andy Serkis is so versatile as an actor. Really loved Danai Gurira in this. Felt Chadwick was too meek as Black Panther/T'Challa. The movie is definitely not as good as reviewers making it out to be claiming near perfection. But all in all was an amazing movie. I wish Coogler was helming Creed 2 with MBJ instead of Sly. MBJ is easily one of the best actors out right now. Final fight went on a bit too long and some of the CGI was wonky as shit.
 

Punished Goku

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,952
I oved this movie. Definitely in my top 3 marvel films. I'm not sure whether I loved MBJ's performance as Killmonger or the dialogue. But whatever it was, it was Magnificent. I felt that Killmonger was more Anti-Hero and felt he wasn't just fighting for African-Americans. He was fighting for minorities and oppressed people everywhere.
 

Sagroth

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Oct 28, 2017
6,839
My girlfriend and I loved the film. The female characters absolutely stole the show(Shuri was a delight, and Okoye was a total badass). I have a few nitpicks(Everett K Ross was not nearly as fun a character as he was in the comics, and some of the CGI was iffy), but it's in my top 3 Marvel films.
 

Nightengale

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Oct 26, 2017
5,708
Malaysia
I wanted more Killmonger, but more within the context of the film.

The most compelling parts of Killmonger to me, was his personal journey as he set himselfs up to find Wakanda. The subtle hints of his oppressed youth, the lashing out of his anger as he lives his youth a killing machine for the sake of finding Wakanda, his desensitization and radicalization.

After that? The parts where he is king and executing his master plan? Meh. I think the film did a fine job in balancing the line between him being a sympathetic character and still a clearly evil, broken person, but the latter half of the film, because he had already ascended to power, tapped in more into his 'evil' aspect rather than the former which tapped more into his 'sympathetic' side.

I think we got the perfect amount of Killmonger's pre-super power and ascension in the movie, but in an alternate reality, I would had loved to see BP as a 10-episode mini-series where Killmonger and T'chala both got equal amounts of time exploring their 'ascension.' One of a broken sociopath looking for the fantastical nation that abandoned him, and one of the king who was forced to see the parts of his nation he never saw before in his early days as King.
 

Ferulci

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Oct 31, 2017
210
I wanted more Killmonger, but more within the context of the film.

After that? The parts where he is king and executing his master plan? Meh. I think the film did a fine job in balancing the line between him being a sympathetic character and still a clearly evil, broken person, but the latter half of the film, because he had already ascended to power, tapped in more into his 'evil' aspect rather than the former which tapped more into his 'sympathetic' side.
I think we got the perfect amount of Killmonger's pre-super power and ascension in the movie, but in an alternate reality, I would had loved to see BP as a 10-episode mini-series where Killmonger and T'chala both got equal amounts of time exploring their 'ascension.' One of a broken sociopath looking for the fantastical nation that abandoned him, and one of the king who was forced to see the parts of his nation he never saw before in his early days as King.
My feelings as well. Post super power Killmonger was too heavy handed, especially with the "burn it all" stuff. Otherwise all his journey up until the dialogue with his father really got me.

I really enjoyed BP, the afrofuturism and design was off the charts. It's my favorite MCU movie with a good margin (but I admit that most of the MCU is meh to me).

And man MBJ is good. If I were DC or any other type of Extended Universe, I would bring the brink trucks to his house ASAP. A dude that charismatic who's just entering his prime ? Jeez
 
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CenaToon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,285
Its really a shame that MBJ had to die, i doubt Marvel will recast him in another role.

Killmonger could be a perfect lead for The Thunderbolts Movie we need and deserve.
 

Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
5,721
Oh shit is that my man M'Baku!?!?!?!?!?


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Dany

Member
Oct 29, 2017
4,065
seattle
Probably my favorite marvel movie. That doesn't say much since I think the last marvel movie I've seen was the second Captain America. This film was exquisite in so many ways
 

Vinc

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Oct 25, 2017
7,387
Not that this was a perfect movie or anything, but holy crap was this genuinely fantastic.

As someone who's simultaneously getting tired of superhero movies but who also thinks the last handful of Marvel movies have been quite great, this one stands out alongside Guardians 2 as the best of them all.

Give me this kind of world building and sense of place in every Marvel movie and I'll be back every time.
 

pollo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,441
everytime MBJ was on screen Id whisper to my wife either "Yee a fulse Creehhhd" or "Sup Baby Creed"
 

StarCreator

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Oct 25, 2017
4,855
Saw it last night.

At the end, at the sunset scene, a kid sitting two seats away said "why so sad?"

I guess when you're a kid it's all good vs. evil, and empathy isn't learned until you grow up a little.
 

cj_iwakura

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,195
Coral Springs, FL
I looooooved the second post credit scene. Loved.


The movie dragged a little, IMO. I enjoyed the villain, the acting, and the action, but it just felt long in the tooth for some reason. I feel like most MCU movies have this problem.

The sister was the best.
 
Oct 25, 2017
27,851
The James Bond part was amazing too

The Oakland scene at the beginning was 1992 right? I wonder what month that was in cause this also happened in Oakland in 1992 and is one of my favourite sports moments ever but Erik's friend wearing the A's shirt was probably pissed off about it

 
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Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
5,721
I thought I remember during the Avengers about how Whedon wasn't really involved with a lot of the fight scenes, I think the example was that they did even the Iron Man vs. Captain America scene separately from his directing. Was this true? I wonder if the same thing happened with the cg heavy Black Panther vs. Killmonger suped and suited up.
 

GSG

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Oct 25, 2017
4,051
Just came back from the movie a few hours ago, thought it was good, but not great. I had some issues with the story and pacing.

I really liked the beginning and the Busan scenes, but I thought that the death scene and everything after that was really rushed, and the last act was completely predictable.

I loved all of the cast except for maybe MBJ, who I thought was over acting a bit too much.

The James Bond part was amazing too

The Oakland scene at the beginning was 1992 right? I wonder what month that was in cause this also happened in Oakland in 1992 and is one of my favourite sports moments ever but Erik's friend wearing the A's shirt was probably pissed off about it



Speaking of Bond, I think Chadwick Boseman would make an awesome James Bond. It's too bad that he's not British :/
 

Wingfan19

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Oct 25, 2017
9,753
Bothell WA
I've seen a few of these "Black Panther Easter Egg" videos and this is by far the best one and I'm only halfway through. Thanks for sharing.
NP, I love their vids because they take the time to research. They must've had to cull through tons of interviews and fluff pieces to get all that info from the director, costume designers, etc.
 
Oct 27, 2017
42,700
The credits with All the Stars are just...beautiful. I think those gave me the feels almost as much as Killmonger's death did just because of all the imagery and how it went with the song, which I already loved and had on repeat
 

nitekrawler

Member
Oct 28, 2017
312
My friend and I just got back from seeing Black Panther. I was hyped to hell and feel like it lived up to the hype. It was really funny that my friend and I were the only two black people in the theater and laughing about twice as often as everyone else in the theater.
 
Oct 25, 2017
17,904
New Rockstars already got that Easter Eggs and Breakdown vid up for the movie.. So far it's really good.

This was good stuff. Thanks for that.

The credits with All the Stars are just...beautiful. I think those gave me the feels almost as much as Killmonger's death did just because of all the imagery and how it went with the song, which I already loved and had on repeat
Yep, the audiovisual worked really well. I wasn't big on All the Stars before the movie, but I loved it at the end of the film.
 

Owarifin

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,741
Killmonger looked pretty good when dying...
Would have thought he'd look more defeated with that blade in his chest...
The acting didn't really sell it there.

Still, I haven't liked a Marvel film in a while.
Liked being pleasantly surprised.
Best since winter soldier for me.
 

Farmboy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,149
They still comment on the tribal look of it all, not just the transfer of power.

And although hey could've made this more clear in he movie, the Golden Tribe (T'Challa' family/tribe) has never had a real challenge before because everybody was pretty happy with the way things have been going in Wakanda. Although it does surprise me that nobody has ever bested a member of the ruling family in a duel.

I loved that those same traditions though, are shamed in the movie by way of the characters' shock that they have to accept Killmonger just because he won the duel.

The RLM guys completely also missed how the movie acknowledges the shortcomings of this system and how it also has to change.

Maybe T'Challa will have a prime minister or something now.

I agree with your assessment (although I did agree with some of RLMs other criticisms, such as the cgi in the finale battle and the action in general).

Also, the film does make clear that not challenging the king is an option, even implying that this is common (see the shocked response when M'baku shows up), so no challenge was probably made in decades as things were going well.
 

The Adder

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Oct 25, 2017
18,119
Veelk

Man, went through the trouble of typing up a reply to your comment regarding the ceremony on a tablet and nothing back on your end?

It's a monarchy dressed up to give the illusion that there is any chance at all someone other than the Panther clan can rule. The prince has been training literally all of his life to be ready for that moment. Each tribe could theoretically send 1 person to challenge hum, but even if they win there is a failsafe in place that anyone of royal blood has the right to challenge. Leadership is literally the Panther clan's entire role in Wakanda. Just like W'Kabi's people guard the border. Just like the merchant clan tribe exists to be merchants.

It mainly exists as an opportunity for any clan with grievances to make it known that they're upset. Much like M'Baku did at the beginning.

Even in the movie the system worked mostly as intended. Erik was Panther clan. The problem arose from him being raised as an outsider due to T'Chaka's failures but still coming home.

This post is 70% just to repost this reading of mine, but also 30% because you were interested in the discussion and I wanted to discuss it.
 

Rosenkrantz

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Jan 17, 2018
4,939
Overhyped. It's a good film, but I honestly enjoyed last year's Ragnarok and Fox's Logan more. People praise MBJ but both him and Serkis were wasted in my opinion. I also don't see how is he in any way improvement over past Marvel villains, yes he gave an interesting speech about how Wakanda should help to others to overthrow their oppresors (I didn't know there were 2 billion people of African origin tbh) and his motivation (at least the revenge for father part of it) was perfectly real if a little bit reminiscent of Zemo's in Civil War, however the character still came of as 2 dimensional.

I think it has one of the better action sequences in MCU (Busan chase was damn good) but hand-to-hand stuff is a far cry from what people do in Daredevil and the Punisher.
 

Veelk

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Oct 25, 2017
14,707
Veelk

Man, went through the trouble of typing up a reply to your comment regarding the ceremony on a tablet and nothing back on your end?

This post is 70% just to repost this reading of mine, but also 30% because you were interested in the discussion and I wanted to discuss it.

Been busy.

That's an interesting take that I haven't thought of. I'm not sure that I agree with it being just a lipservice, since it seems that M'Baku definitely wanted to take the throne from T'Challa and made a sincere effort of taking the W and certainly came close to it. If he had won, who of the royal blood clan would have been able to beat M'Baku in basic, physical combat if T'Challa couldn't? And we don't have any reason to doubt that the other clans don't raise their own warriors to challenge T'Challa on equal grounds if need be. For all we know, all the clans have their own fighers at the ready to take the crown should T'Challa fail his people.

Thus, the elders not objecting to T'Challa's rule seems to be more because they legitimately just don't have any issue with T'Challa continuing to rule as his father did, which I guess can work as a very roundabout way of submitting a complaint.. It's just...that's a strange lack of greed and power lust that I'm simply not used to seeing out of people, but it's believable enough that Wakandan culture can sincerely just not be prioritize power conflicts within their ranks. But if we do take your interpretation that it's just a system, it still relies on a code of honor between the clans. If they make their grievances known and T'Challa is just like "I don't care", then what is their recourse outside an actual takeover?

Point being, I think it's a messed up system regardless of how you choose to take it. If you want to look at it that it's just a farce that's meant to give the illusion of fairness but actually just keeps T'Challa's family in power, sure, I guess that adds another layer to it, but even the trial is genuine, it's extremely exploitable, leading Killmonger to being able to become king just by roughhousing a dude bad enough.




On an unrelated note, I've been thinking about how perfect Black Panther is as a concept for empowerment. Genuinely, I cannot think of a more empowering hero that is hidden away in the world in a place that is far more advanced than anything in the world for an underpowered people. If you were to task me with creating a better black superhero, if only as an idea, I genuinely don't think I could come up with one better than Black Panther. I am usually someone who doesn't believe in good ideas or bad ideas, only good and bad execution on easy/difficult to pull off ideas, but this is an exception: Black Panther is an idea that is absolutely perfect.
 
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