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Fantomex

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Spades said:
My thoughts on the McLaren documentary on Prime:

I found this very difficult to watch. Some good bits but overall it just felt like propaganda issued by McLaren to make sure the world knew that Honda were solely responsible for their demise. Their agenda was clear from the offset and wasn't a tale of the time - more a retrospective at how bad Honda was.

I didn't really enjoy it.
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It did kind of seem that way. But the journalists that have done the independent research have come out to the same conclusion. The fact that this was the third year is really ridiculous on Honda's part. I mean, damn I don't even know how you bring an engine to Mclaren missing hoses and parts. I honestly thought during that scene they were waiting to say it was a prank.
 

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Spades said:
My thoughts on the McLaren documentary on Prime:

I found this very difficult to watch. Some good bits but overall it just felt like propaganda issued by McLaren to make sure the world knew that Honda were solely responsible for their demise. Their agenda was clear from the offset and wasn't a tale of the time - more a retrospective at how bad Honda was.

I didn't really enjoy it.
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I forgot about this. The Le mans one wasn't super great or anything either really.

We'll see what McLaren has this year with nowhere to hide if their chassis was so amazing.
 
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Spades said:
My thoughts on the McLaren documentary on Prime:

I found this very difficult to watch. Some good bits but overall it just felt like propaganda issued by McLaren to make sure the world knew that Honda were solely responsible for their demise. Their agenda was clear from the offset and wasn't a tale of the time - more a retrospective at how bad Honda was.

I didn't really enjoy it.
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I haven't seen in it yet, but it was to be expected. It was very unlikely that they'd show themselves in bad light now when they're weakened after the Honda drama without their 100 million per season and without other major sponsors.
 
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User banned (48 hours): Posting pirated content.
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xrnzaaas

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lol, first time I see someone getting banned for posting a youtube video
 
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Wax Free Vanilla

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Fantomex said:
The fact that this was the third year is really ridiculous on Honda's part. I mean, damn I don't even know how you bring an engine to Mclaren missing hoses and parts. I honestly thought during that scene they were waiting to say it was a prank.
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The only missing parts were from McLaren. Honda supplied a fully functional engine.

McLaren failed to send Honda the #4 chassis so the PU and gearbox could be fully integrated and run on Honda's vehicle dyno in Japan. The installation issues were 100% down to McLaren.
 
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Wax Free Vanilla said:
The only missing parts were from McLaren. Honda supplied a fully functional engine.

McLaren failed to send Honda the #4 chassis so the PU and gearbox could be fully integrated and run on Honda's vehicle dyno in Japan. The installation issues were 100% down to McLaren.
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I'm sure you can produce a reliable source for this statement, one that isn't "Honda insider on Japanese forum"?
 
Wax Free Vanilla

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It's in the Amazon series.

McLaren were still preparing a dyno chassis to send to Sakura after they had received the engine.

The series just highlights the poor organisation and leadership at a Ronbo-less MTC.
 
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Yeah, it is actually perfectly normal to not send a chassis to the engine manufacturer, since you do not have time to build enough even for own use.

That is why you send the design specs. Just like Honda wasn't sending completed engines to McLaren, but instead send them design specs.
 
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Removal of video - okay. But a 48 hour ban? It's the F1 Interviews channel, people have been posting Ted's notebooks and paddock passes the entire year and besides the guy who runs the channel usually deletes the videos within 24-48 hours.

Anyway the McLaren documentary was fine, but too much focus on Stoffel imo and not enough of Alonso (at least when he did appear he was cracking up jokes ;)).
 
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Yes, there is a channel on YouTube that uploads pirated content, that does not suddenly make it not pirated content. While I wasn't the mod that took the action, I don't agree that this isn't common sense. You wouldn't post the latest Game of Thrones episode here if it was uploaded on YouTube by GoTinterviews2 either.

Either way, let's not derail this thread with a meta-discussion on this. You can always contact the mod team leads if you have a problem with the action taken.
 
DBT85

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Note to self, don't post the daily motion links to those 3 awesome documenaries that are near impossible to find legitimatley.
 
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In other news Button is taking a stab at Alonso ;)

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WEC must be really hoping that Alonso's presence will boost the viewership of the series.
 
Easy Rider

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Spades said:
My thoughts on the McLaren documentary on Prime:

I found this very difficult to watch. Some good bits but overall it just felt like propaganda issued by McLaren to make sure the world knew that Honda were solely responsible for their demise. Their agenda was clear from the offset and wasn't a tale of the time - more a retrospective at how bad Honda was.

I didn't really enjoy it.
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McLaren doesn't need to issue any propaganda, it's beyond obvious how absurdly bad the Honda power unit has been both in terms of reliability and performance during the past three years. The number of retirements due to PU failure and the lack of performance are objective facts that can't be argued.

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Random pic time: Honda RA302, Italian GP 1968, Monza.

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Pedals / footwell section sure is something (unsafe).
 
Dan

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I really. really wish I could watch more content like the races with the above machines. They were glorious.
 
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I'm into episode 3 of the McLaren documentary. I don't agree that it shows a lot of McLaren propaganda - there are plenty of instances there of basic project management failures that set the build back - and a lot of that doesnt involve Honda. Really appreciating the intricacy of build and integration of car though. Plus the physical demands of the drivers during off-season training.

EDIT: Now at the end of the Episode 4 - god damn that Straight Talk bit.
 
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Dan said:
I'm into episode 3 of the McLaren documentary. I don't agree that it shows a lot of McLaren propaganda - there are plenty of instances there of basic project management failures that set the build back - and a lot of that doesnt involve Honda. Really appreciating the intricacy of build and integration of car though. Plus the physical demands of the drivers during off-season training.

EDIT: Now at the end of the Episode 4 - god damn that Straight Talk bit.
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Yeah, that just makes it worse since afterwards it's all Honda's fault that the first test day went so badly, even though those troubles would have been found and resolved if McLaren didn't have to cancel the shakedown.
 

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The McLaren documentary did seem like a bit of a hit piece on Honda but it did show a lot of the failures internally as well, they struggled with getting a lot of the body parts ready in time

The whole relationship between McLaren and Honda just seemed horribly mismanaged on both sides
 

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jey_16 said:
The McLaren documentary did seem like a bit of a hit piece on Honda but it did show a lot of the failures internally as well, they struggled with getting a lot of the body parts ready in time

The whole relationship between McLaren and Honda just seemed horribly mismanaged on both sides
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I'm sure Red Bull will be taking lessons on what NOT to do in their current quasi-partnership with Honda
 
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jey_16 said:
The McLaren documentary did seem like a bit of a hit piece on Honda but it did show a lot of the failures internally as well, they struggled with getting a lot of the body parts ready in time

The whole relationship between McLaren and Honda just seemed horribly mismanaged on both sides
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Yep. I don't understand how a team with that much championship pedigree has so many issues getting parts ready - then again we don't know what other teams experience (could be the same). It does make you wonder how the smaller teams on the grid cope.

The documentary has really left my mouth watered for a sequel right now - its probably being filmed as we speak - and has made me even more excited about where we are right now with F1.
 
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AlsoZ said:
I'm sure Red Bull will be taking lessons on what NOT to do in their current quasi-partnership with Honda
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I very much doubt we saw anything that Red Bull can really use except making sure you have a correct understanding of what bolt to use when connecting engine to gearbox..
 
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Dan said:
I very much doubt we saw anything that Red Bull can really use except making sure you have a correct understanding of what bolt to use when connecting engine to gearbox..
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I think he meant in the relationship with Honda.

Given that Tost has sent the STR people to cultural training to better understand the Japanese colleague's, I think either Honda themselves or Red Bull already realized where there was an opportunity to improve: http://en.f1i.com/news/290343-toro-rosso-staff-gets-lessons-japanese-culture.html
 
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Yep that's what I meant :)

I'd love to see the difference between the partnership behind the scenes with Renault vs Honda - especially when it comes to new car build + engine integration.
 
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what does Red Bull do in 2019 if Honda serves up another dud this year with STR? Renault won't take them back and Mercedes/Ferrari will not supply them
 
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Dan said:
Yep. I don't understand how a team with that much championship pedigree has so many issues getting parts ready - then again we don't know what other teams experience (could be the same). It does make you wonder how the smaller teams on the grid cope.

The documentary has really left my mouth watered for a sequel right now - its probably being filmed as we speak - and has made me even more excited about where we are right now with F1.
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Confirmed or wishful thinking? ;) I wouldn't mind another series like this one and not necessarily focused on McLaren again.
 
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Motoring through the 2011 season again. Can't wait to get to Canada of course. But forgot a) how good China was that year -- for sure one of the greatest races in the past ten+ years, and b) how good Brundle and Coulthard were on commentary. God tier pairing
 
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I am thinking of going to a race this year. It has to be in Europe I was thinking of Germany or Austria but July might be too busy for me with work. What about Barcelona? Anyone been? Wondering how easy it is to get to the track etc.
 

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thenexus6 said:
I am thinking of going to a race this year. It has to be in Europe I was thinking of Germany or Austria but July might be too busy for me with work. What about Barcelona? Anyone been? Wondering how easy it is to get to the track etc.
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Barcelona is probably best from a tourist perspective. The city itself is great to visit, and the track is somewhat close and easily reachable.
On the contrary, the Austrian and German tracks are comparatively far out, Austria especially. There's not that much to do outside the tracks, at least not without some research and planning. Now of course, if you only spend the weekend there, you can probably get enough value from the trackside entertainment like concerts, but if you wanna do it as part of a proper vacation, you'll want something more to do.

Now that's all before track preferences, of course.
 
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With all this talk of the windscreen. I wonder how dirty it's going to get with rubber and oil being thrown on it. And how it will behave with rain.
 
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thenexus6 said:
I am thinking of going to a race this year. It has to be in Europe I was thinking of Germany or Austria but July might be too busy for me with work. What about Barcelona? Anyone been? Wondering how easy it is to get to the track etc.
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I went last year and it was fantastic. The track/race itself has a reputation for being a bit processional, but with me rooting for Hamilton, and because of where I was sitting (near the end of the main straight), it was an excellent experience. It was also the first race I've ever attended, despite following the sport for about 12 years.

We went as part of a larger vacation and spent a couple of days either side of the race weekend to enjoy the city, which is a fantastic place. So if you want to make a holiday out of it, I can't recommend Barcelona enough. Also, it's a really easy city to navigate, and getting to the track was unexpectedly effortless.
 
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AndyD said:
With all this talk of the windscreen. I wonder how dirty it's going to get with rubber and oil being thrown on it. And how it will behave with rain.
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It'll behave like rain does on a visor, airflow will stream droplets away off it. Oil and rubber wont be an issue, they'll just wipe it clean during the pitstop.
 
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jey_16 said:
what does Red Bull do in 2019 if Honda serves up another dud this year with STR? Renault won't take them back and Mercedes/Ferrari will not supply them
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Honda serves them as the backup supplier, unless they leave in which case Renault get the job.

Being nasty to suppliers , shockingly, isn't a good idea.
 
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