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Novel Mike

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I'm pretty LTTP on this one but after a lot of issues with shipping it finally arrived in Thursday and I've been playing the hell out of it.

I'm up to the Chapter 6 side story now, I'm really sorry I didn't pick this back up in December would've been a great game to get into after Xenoblade 2 but regardless the game ends up being a lot of fun. I was worried I wouldn't like the action RPG system but its pretty good, despite having so many characters yet only really using one at a time the combat works pretty well with being able to switch your two party members in and out pretty easily, took me awhile to remember the controls for everything but once I did I found the combat pretty fun although pretty easy (at least on normal).

The story is... okay. Like other people have said its pretty much generic light novel anime stuff but I do like how Falcom incorporated various things into the game that you'd expect from their other series. Also Towa is here so... instant win because Towa is awesome.

The character in general are pretty good and I have liked most of the main cast and thought that they had an interesting setup for the most part. Kou actually having normal friends was something I didn't expect but was done really well and I liked that they do notice when Kou is all of a sudden hanging out with a bunch of people he never had before, none of these characters ever act like complete idiots or seem completely obvious at least. Kou himself is a pretty standard LN protagonist who doesn't have nearly as much of an interesting backstory as Rean does and his motivations are pretty terrible but I'm glad hes not a blank slate either. Kou really shines in his interactions with the other characters, most notable for me at least is with Rion and how their relationship plays out with him but they are all well done.

I believe that Kou is friends with Jun, Ryouta, and Shiori as the game is beginning and I like how they don't fade completely away into the background and you get to do events and develop your relationships with them. Although that said, this game is worse then Cold Steel was on being stingy with bonding points or whatever they are called in this game, getting like 2 in the beginning when you have like 5 or 6 characters you can do events for wasn't cool, I'm assuming thats one of the NG+ bonuses you can get so I'll likely go through them all on a second playthrough.

One thing I'm surprised about is how unlike Cold Steel it doesn't feel like the game is intentionally forcing Asuka as the main pairing for Kou, where with CS It was clearly Rean and Alisa as the canon pairing. Kou and Asuka's relationship at least to the point I'm at has never felt like a romantic one, granted that may change I've got a few chapters to go but Kou seems to show more interest in general friendship and getting Asuka to open up and tell them whats going on then pining for her or something.

On the other hand with pairings... Spoilers up through Chapter 6
I got more of a vibe for Kou and Rion then anyone else, as I mentioned above they go from being completely not into each other to eventually being friends and while its clear Rion eventually develops at least somewhat of a crush on Kou, Kou has some fairly interesting interactions where he teases her a lot, something he doesn't seem to do with any of the other girls and something she gets back at him for a few times. On top of that when the Grim Greed falls and that crazy asshole tries to grab Rion again Kou steps right in from of her as a general gesture to protect her, Idk its subtle something that isn't done really well in Falcom romances but yeah compared to everyone else I thought it made the most natural pairing.

Looking at the other girls for pairing with Kou you've got...
Shiori who is clearly one sided/childhood friend trope
Asuka seems to be more of a friend/comrade in arms
Sora is very clearly the little sister trope (also one sided if anything) side story also kinda sets her up with Yuuki although somewhat reluctantly on his part
Mitsuki obviously is the SUPER AMAZING Student Council President trope with a dick fiance so she doesn't show much personal interest in Kou and one of the side stories shows Shio seeming to have an interest in her
Towa is related unlike the Cold Steel Series so thank god they didn't try and be creepy with that

In comparison with Rion despite her being famous Kou has no idea whom she is at first which ends up making both of them annoyed at each other to the point Kou picks on her, she picks on him (I laughed out loud when she sent a group of fans after him) it really does feel like how a teenage romance would develop with him vowing to save her when its revealed she has a Grim Greed inside of her. In general I think they made a good point to give Rion a lot of scenes early on to develop her character since she joins so late into the story (something that I said they really should have done with Haru in Persona 5) whats interesting though is almost all of those scenes generally revolve around Kou or her group members but mostly Kou, Idk maybe its just me but considering how late she joins the group into the story she gets a hell of a lot of time to play off Kou and really none with any of the other cast to that point which makes me think they intentionally were setting them up as a pairing more then any other, its with her that Kou actually acts somewhat differently then the general NICE GUY ALL OF THE TIME personality he is defaulted to most of the time, and its pretty clear Rion likes him with him popping up in her thoughts before she thinks shes about to die and of course then getting saved by him at the last second.

IDK I really like the pairing of those two more then any others in the story and so far its the only relationship that even seems to show any hint of Kou acting not like his normal self, maybe would've been more convincing if he acted out more when shes in trouble in Chapter 6 but Asuka is clearly the main female lead and he doesn't act out really when she disappears either.

Clearly I'm overthinking things but yeah, thats what I thought of with the various girls up until that point.

So yeah the game is far from perfect but Its really fun and certainly hits a spot for me on something I've been wanting to play since not liking Persona 5 all that much. I hope the last two chapters don't make me regret saying that and hopefully we see a sequel after Sen no Kiseki IV comes out later this year.

Also I forgot to mention this above but I LOVE all the fanservice with Cold Steel, Alisa has her own anime with Rean as the villain (and THATS where those Cold Steel 2 costumes come from!), there is posters and trailers for the various CS games (including Sen no Kiseki III) and they re-purpose the Finishing Mini game from CS with 'Demon Rean' as well as giving Alisa her own game and Blade being one of the mini games in the arcade as well. This is well done fanservice without having to be super pervy (although multiple times its mentioned that Alisa's anime is lewd which made me laugh because of course it would be XD).
 

Zafir

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One thing I'm surprised about is how unlike Cold Steel it doesn't feel like the game is intentionally forcing Asuka as the main pairing for Kou, where with CS It was clearly Rean and Alisa as the canon pairing. Kou and Asuka's relationship at least to the point I'm at has never felt like a romantic one, granted that may change I've got a few chapters to go but Kou seems to show more interest in general friendship and getting Asuka to open up and tell them whats going on then pining for her or something.

On the other hand with pairings... Spoilers up through Chapter 6
I got more of a vibe for Kou and Rion then anyone else, as I mentioned above they go from being completely not into each other to eventually being friends and while its clear Rion eventually develops at least somewhat of a crush on Kou, Kou has some fairly interesting interactions where he teases her a lot, something he doesn't seem to do with any of the other girls and something she gets back at him for a few times. On top of that when the Grim Greed falls and that crazy asshole tries to grab Rion again Kou steps right in from of her as a general gesture to protect her, Idk its subtle something that isn't done really well in Falcom romances but yeah compared to everyone else I thought it made the most natural pairing.

Looking at the other girls for pairing with Kou you've got...
Shiori who is clearly one sided/childhood friend trope
Asuka seems to be more of a friend/comrade in arms
Sora is very clearly the little sister trope (also one sided if anything) side story also kinda sets her up with Yuuki although somewhat reluctantly on his part
Mitsuki obviously is the SUPER AMAZING Student Council President trope with a dick fiance so she doesn't show much personal interest in Kou and one of the side stories shows Shio seeming to have an interest in her
Towa is related unlike the Cold Steel Series so thank god they didn't try and be creepy with that

In comparison with Rion despite her being famous Kou has no idea whom she is at first which ends up making both of them annoyed at each other to the point Kou picks on her, she picks on him (I laughed out loud when she sent a group of fans after him) it really does feel like how a teenage romance would develop with him vowing to save her when its revealed she has a Grim Greed inside of her. In general I think they made a good point to give Rion a lot of scenes early on to develop her character since she joins so late into the story (something that I said they really should have done with Haru in Persona 5) whats interesting though is almost all of those scenes generally revolve around Kou or her group members but mostly Kou, Idk maybe its just me but considering how late she joins the group into the story she gets a hell of a lot of time to play off Kou and really none with any of the other cast to that point which makes me think they intentionally were setting them up as a pairing more then any other, its with her that Kou actually acts somewhat differently then the general NICE GUY ALL OF THE TIME personality he is defaulted to most of the time, and its pretty clear Rion likes him with him popping up in her thoughts before she thinks shes about to die and of course then getting saved by him at the last second.

IDK I really like the pairing of those two more then any others in the story and so far its the only relationship that even seems to show any hint of Kou acting not like his normal self, maybe would've been more convincing if he acted out more when shes in trouble in Chapter 6 but Asuka is clearly the main female lead and he doesn't act out really when she disappears either.

Clearly I'm overthinking things but yeah, thats what I thought of with the various girls up until that point.
Personally I felt the only "relationship" that would happen was Shiori and him, and if anything it irritated me because as I said in a previous post, I feel like she's an awfully boring character personality wise. One of the bonding scenes has her
turning someone wanting to go out down, and Kou clearly shows some jealously.
Besides that Kou really doesn't show any interest in any of them in that way tbh. Rion shows interest, but I don't think Kou does. It seemed one sided.
 

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I felt like Rion was the best and most realistic if they gave any choice. Their interactions felt much better.
 

Novel Mike

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Personally I felt the only "relationship" that would happen was Shiori and him, and if anything it irritated me because as I said in a previous post, I feel like she's an awfully boring character personality wise. One of the bonding scenes has her
turning someone wanting to go out down, and Kou clearly shows some jealously.
Besides that Kou really doesn't show any interest in any of them in that way tbh. Rion shows interest, but I don't think Kou does. It seemed one sided.
Kou's a harem protagonist, of course he doesn't show much overt interest in anyone.
Yeah hes never going to show direct interest in anyone thats the biggest difference then say Rean/Alisa whom Rean and Alisa clearly show mutual attraction. Kou is much more of a blank slate in that aspect (which could have been from feedback about Rean, idk just a thought) but as I said Kou's interest in Rion I thought was much more subtle mainly the way he really only ever acts differently around her and no one else, hes always this upstanding and nice guy to everyone but he goes out of his way to annoy and pick on her its more of a childish thing to do when you like someone but its the only time we ever see that side of Kou which is one reason I thought they were setting that up but I'll freely admit I'm likely over thinking it a bit as I do like the pairing more then any other, well thats also because the game goes out of its way in the side stories to pair a few other characters up even if it is a minor element at play because obviously as its already been stated the idea of the game is Kou can go after whoever he wants.

Honestly I think that kind of thing works better on a blank slate protagonist like the Persona characters then an already established character here which is one of the biggest complaints I have about the Cold Steel series as I really think the story would be a lot better if they just canonized Rean/Alisa and let the other girls develop their own relationships instead of everyone wanting to get into Rean's pants (although they do change up this somewhat in Sen no Kiseki III) I also think they should have done something here with Kou and personally I kinda like the idea that the romantic pairing isn't the first two characters you meet in the story or the two leads, more RPG's would be better served by not making the canon choice the most obvious in the world or forcing a harem or triangle situation into the story.
 
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Novel Mike

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Alright finally finished the game!

Thoughts below... MASSIVE SPOILER WARNING!

Well I was pleasantly surprised by party members, after getting Rion I figured we were done but then you get Gorou who I wasn't expecting mainly because they did this bait and switch thing where they make him out to be a villian for a short bit but yeah he was an interesting addtion to the team, I liked him in combat but otherwise didn't care for him to much, he felt kinda out of place with the rest of the group IMO, I think he should've been more of a guest member like how Ryouta and Jun were in the Afterstory. Speaking of which White Shroud= Jun, I likely would've figured that out if I hadn't had read a spoiler wrong saying it was Ryouta so I ended up paying absolutely no attention to Jun and wasn't sure the Shroud would be a friendly or not what with him threatening to kill Rion if Kou didn't do something about the Grim Greed. Jun was a fun character, I'm going to do a NG+ and go for the platinum but yeah that was a cool edition for the after story although I don't get why he couldn't have just been playable in the Epilogue as well. Ryouta was pretty lackluster, it was nice he got to be playable but him lacking some major things other characters had felt rather half assed, I did like that he at least got his memory back but I was kinda disappointed after the Final Chapter has so many interest scenes and reveals and the town coming to grips with everything that no one ends up remembering anything, that felt like a major cop out to me. Wasn't that big of a deal really but it would've been nice to see what would happen after the fact if at least most of the people remembered.

Shiori being actually dead was interesting, I expected there was some kind of twist like that although I figured the Twilight Apostle had 'saved her' and just lived with her as it gained its strength back rather then it warping reality as her dying wish, wasn't really that big of a chance as things play out in the same way but yeah, and interesting take on that pretty generic setup at least. I really liked in the Afterstory how it ends up questioning its existence and where the hell it came from and why, obviously setting up a sequel along with the very meh info dump Rem gives you at the end. I kinda rather Shiori stayed dead personally, didn't hate her character or anything but even in the Afterstory it never feels like theres a really big payoff for actually saving her, I wanted to see her unite with her family and develop more of a friendship with Rion and Asuka but very little of that, mostly just her hanging onto Kou as much as humanly possible.

At least now I get why people said the most canon relationship is with Her and Kou and yeah I get that although I find it fairly boring and I didn't really like that it alters the original ending, the original ending has Kou finally start to get over her death and move on but with the idea that perhaps she was reincarnated or something into this other little girl but instead the story just has to bring her back although the way they ultimately tied that into the Afterstory to really answer a lot of lingering questions was well done, its just a shame as Kou already lacks a lot of character development (how do people say hes more interesting then Rean?) and this in a big way takes away one of the few chances we get to see him grow as a person even if it is in the original ending.

I went with the Rion ending in the After story and man was that disappointing although from what I understand even the Shiori one is pretty lackluster. Falcom I love you but for the love of god at least let these kids confess their damn feelings for each other in these games for christs stake. Yeah I get it puts the story in an awkward position if you ever do a sequel but between this and the 3 Cold steel games I rather you either go back to doing characters with a clear love interest like Estelle/Joshua or at least go all in on these relationships, instead of what you are doing now. Hell let the characters feelings come out earlier in the game and have like the back half of the events revolve around dating whoever you set Kou or Rean up with. A Relationship doesn't fucking end when two characters confess their feelings, there is so much more you can do with a story and its characters if you'd just let them actually have some kind of relationship. I mean I think the way the Persona games do it is at least somewhat shallow but they do it infinitely better then what you guys have done in these various games and with the writing prowess at your disposal I think making the various pairings you could do into romantic relationships would be really interesting and make replayability that much more interesting.

Rion was still my favorite lead although I wish she ended up having a bit more character development after Chapter 7, granted this is a problem other character have as well but she has a rather dramatic arc in Chapter 7 that I was hoping we'd see built on and see her more vunerable side again but nope, happy go lucky all of the time including forgiving the asshat who tried to kill her by awakening the Grim Greed. I did end up not using her much once I had Jun because he just wrecks absolutely everything.

Overall I liked the game quite a bit even though its was a lot more generic then I expected, normally Falcom takes fairly generic story and characters and really builds them into something much more detailed and unique then you'd originally think but this game didn't do much of that, compared to the way other Falcom games have done it this game certainly felt like they didn't bring their A game to all of it, had some really cool ideas and an interesting set of characters but I think it could be a hell of a lot better. I think I'd be more critical of it if it wasn't from such a small company who has rather limited resources compared to some of the bigger ones. It's still really worth playing if you enjoy Falcom games or the genre in general but could've been a lot better in almost every way. At least the combat system wasn't completely shit, I was afraid it would've been really outdated or lackluster but it was pretty good overall, was way to easy on normal but some of the boss fights ended up being pretty fun and it has a pretty good base for its combat system although personally I think it would've been better being a turn based game instead of an action game with the rather large cast of characters you end up getting.

Also just a note for general Falcom games but am I the only one who is infinitely disappointed that these games generally have a costume store and yet you generally only get like a handful of minor accessories to buy? I love using different costumes in games like this and it would be nice if they had some various palate swaps or something available for each character. Just a random thing that feels like a missed opportunity, like I hated Kous various outfits, I wanted him to be able to wear like Shio's casuals or something but nope, hoodie power it is.

I hope after Sen no Kiseki IV comes out this year that we end up getting a sequel to this game, theres a lot of room for improvement and I'd really like to see what they could do with it. At least it actually told a complete story and didn't make its story to long and they have to split the games into two as the Trails series if known to do >.>


Edit: Was reading through this...

Someone on the Steam forums went all out on Aksys's localization of TX.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/587260/discussions/0/2906376154321517235/

Basically it needs another brushup.
It surprises me because I don't remember seeing such issues for games like Blazblue or Zero Escape in the past. Maybe it's because Falcom games have so much text in them that they overwhelmed the localization team in this instance.

I was holding off the game at the moment because of the price/presentation aspect, but these sorts of errors are really bothersome to someone like me and I figured if I didn't bring it to someone's attention nothing will change, and I'd like to see an update prior to me purchasing the game down the line. It is possible most people don't care about these issues but for someone picky like me they're eye cancer.
And wanted to comment, and yeah the localization is easily the worst part of this game and its rather distracting after while because there are so many issues and they end up being so damn frequent. XSEED thus far is the only company I've seen with the ability to actually get a good localization done on a Falcom game and with still no one announced to be bringing over Sen No Kiseki III (and IV for that matter) I really worry that XSEED won't end up getting it.
 
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Lazrgatr

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Completed Ex+. The epilogue was way longer than I thought it would be. Planned to finish it the night I beat the main game but in the end it took an extra week to fully complete.

Mitsuki went from omg stop running out of mana to holy shit she just solo'd the final boss without taking any damage. Conversely I really wanted to like Rion but she sucks so bad as a playable character.

My hoarding tendencies paid off in spades near the end where I had more than enough elixirs and somas to item cheese the final boss. And the final boss after that....and then the final final boss in the after story afterwords.

I laughed out loud at the title DEMON PRINCESS SHIORI. Truly the most threatening Greed of All.

IMO this game had a way to redeem its plot from being just another trashy battle harem anime when we got Shiori's love letter and Kou showing some really strong emotions towards her as well towards the endgame. But then nothing comes of that. Nothing comes of Kou/Asuka or Kou/anyone else either. It's another tired anime cliche to add on to the mountain of anime cliches that comprised the rest of the game. Gorou was cool though. I didn't expect him to be a good guy and he solved my problems earlier with how it seemed like no adults were doing anything about the eclipse.

Rem? More like DEM. Since she came out of nowhere for no adequate reason to start the plot then never did anything of note again. Nemesis as a whole was seriously underdeveloped.

I liked the after story. Jun is the most broken character in the game bar none, it added quite a lot of extra playtime and allowed me to fully upgrade everyone. Ryouta being playable was a neat suprise though I would have much rather had Shiori or Towa. The twilight apostle being the true final boss was a welcome if predictable finisher even if Mitsuki blasting power shells the whole time to finish him off was an anticlimax. Given how the game sold 3x the amount needed to break even a sequel should be all but confirmed though I won't be buying it until it goes at least 50% off or XSeed localizes it.

It's a fun game. I rate it a 8/10. Localization could be better but its bearable. Really did wish Falcom had the balls to just go with a definitive romantic ending though. Even if it was someone out of left field like Mayu it still would have been more interesting than what we got IMO.
 
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sibarraz

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So why Aksys hasnt gotte the same outrage than Nisa? No one emailed Falcom? Wasnt as outrageous as YS 8? People dont care for Xanadu?
 

Kvik

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Downunder.
So why Aksys hasnt gotte the same outrage than Nisa? No one emailed Falcom? Wasnt as outrageous as YS 8? People dont care for Xanadu?

It's a combination of things.
  • Ys fanbase is much larger than TX. Communities will be more vocal if there's anything wrong with the port.
  • Aksys' work on the PC port (and on the Playstation platform by extension) was quite good since there was no notable performance issues (although not without any fault). NISA can't even get the PC port out of their door.
  • Translation work was somewhat serviceable, although there's definitely still room left for improvement. It has a certain flair to it, compared with NISA's hackjob.
  • Late release for PC port on a rather inopportune time since it was released at the end of last year, so people basically shoved this game into their backlog and forget about it, resulting in a rather low overall visibility and the game largely went past unnoticed.
 
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Ascheroth

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So why Aksys hasnt gotte the same outrage than Nisa? No one emailed Falcom? Wasnt as outrageous as YS 8? People dont care for Xanadu?
  • Ys had an established fanbase in the west that had certain expectations due to Xseeds work.
  • We know Xseed wanted to do Ys VIII but got outbid by NISA. Fast forward, NISA fucks everything up so it's like rubbing salt into the wound and felt like they were forcibly taking Ys in bad faith.
  • The PC version of Tokyo Xanadu was day-and-date with PS4 and while not amazing, a solid work. (compare it to Ys VIII where the PC version isn't even out nearly 6 months after the promised date and with no release in sight)
  • Tokyo Xanadu's localization is serviceable. Room for improvement and they definitely need better QA next time, but at least is has a certain flair and you can see they tried. Then there's also
  • we know that Xseed didn't want to work on TX for some reason, so it's unlike the NISA situation in that aspect as well

Late release for PC port on a rather inopportune time since it was released at the end of last year, so people basically shoved this game into their backlog and forget about it, resulting in a rather low overall visibility and the game largely went past unnoticed.
Actually it was day-and-date with the PS4 version.
 

gela94

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Are there any differences between ps4pro and pc version or is it pretty much the same?
 

Ascheroth

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Ah, I stand corrected. Seems like I was thinking about TX instead of TX eX+.
Yeah, but you're right that it was a somewhat unfortunate date regardless.
In general I feel like it's not exactly a popular/well-known game so with less awareness there's also less outrage.
The PC version still has not a single metacritic/opencritic review and the SteamSpy numbers are really bad (and I don't think it's out on GoG yet?).
 

demidar

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Put me in the camp that thinks the story would've been better without the true end.

The game would've had a much better stronger message about moving on. It would've grounded the game into something much more relatable despite all the supernatural shit. Then the game just reverses that into a happy ending. Barf. At the very least there should be some kind of penalty or downside to it but instead it's all sunshine and rainbows.

I think I'm officially old and bitter :/
 

DPB

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The PC version still has not a single metacritic/opencritic review and the SteamSpy numbers are really bad (and I don't think it's out on GoG yet?).

I'm not surprised that the PC sales are so low, this is one of the most expensive games you can buy while not looking appreciably better than ToCS. In the UK it costs even more than most big budget games at £46.49.
 

Ascheroth

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I'm not surprised that the PC sales are so low, this is one of the most expensive games you can buy while not looking appreciably better than ToCS. In the UK it costs even more than most big budget games at £46.49.
Oh yeah, I'm not exactly surprised at the numbers, it's a bit of a shame though.
  • released shortly before the winter sale
  • has no presence at all on PC (0 reviews)
  • it's comparatively extremely highly priced - only 4 games in December had a 60$+ price tag on Steam whereas there were 62 games with a 20$+ price tag
  • I personally liked it a lot, but it's not exactly an amazing game and doesn't really have mainstream appeal
  • hasn't been on sale yet
Like, for 60$ on can buy a ton on PC.
 

Novel Mike

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Oh yeah, I'm not exactly surprised at the numbers, it's a bit of a shame though.
  • released shortly before the winter sale
  • has no presence at all on PC (0 reviews)
  • it's comparatively extremely highly priced - only 4 games in December had a 60$+ price tag on Steam whereas there were 62 games with a 20$+ price tag
  • I personally liked it a lot, but it's not exactly an amazing game and doesn't really have mainstream appeal
  • hasn't been on sale yet
Like, for 60$ on can buy a ton on PC.
Not only that but releasing a game on Steam now is such a crapshoot because there are just so many other games released on the platform and so frequently its hard for any game to get noticed let alone a niche Falcom JRPG.
 
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It's just never had particularly strong word of mouth. Import impressions were always midling, not many people bought it on vita and that version was tarnished by the poor localisation, and it doesn't seem like the PS4 version has done much to improve its reputation. Even as falcom games go, it's overshadowed by Ys and Trails.
 

Zafir

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Oh yeah, I'm not exactly surprised at the numbers, it's a bit of a shame though.
  • released shortly before the winter sale
  • has no presence at all on PC (0 reviews)
  • it's comparatively extremely highly priced - only 4 games in December had a 60$+ price tag on Steam whereas there were 62 games with a 20$+ price tag
  • I personally liked it a lot, but it's not exactly an amazing game and doesn't really have mainstream appeal
  • hasn't been on sale yet
Like, for 60$ on can buy a ton on PC.
Yup. I only bought it because I knew what it was and was looking forward to playing it.

Anyone else and they'd either not know what it was, or the price was a turn off. I spoke to my friends about it, and while they were interested, it being £45 on Steam was a big no. Even new releases, you rarely ever pay that much for a new release. You can get them cheaper from GMG, cdkeys or where ever else that does cheaper deals on PC games.
 

Novel Mike

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It's just never had particularly strong word of mouth. Import impressions were always midling, not many people bought it on vita and that version was tarnished by the poor localisation, and it doesn't seem like the PS4 version has done much to improve its reputation. Even as falcom games go, it's overshadowed by Ys and Trails.
Yeah that is certainly true, I mean I liked the game and I'll freely admit its a much weaker game then any of the Trails games. Really need to get into Y's at some point as well.

Nearly done with my platinum, all I have left to do is do an infinity run which I started and got through most of chapter 3 in under 30 mins. Running through these dungeons actually makes me think this would be a great RPG to speedrun, you can skip the long cut scenes, ignore the extra events, and are freely able to practice movement and routing through each dungeon by replaying them.

Also doing my second playthrough I really have to say, I really hate Yuuki. He's easily the worst character in the game. Between the obnoxious way he acts and thinks of everything that happens to them is just like a video game (ugh, I hate it when games have characters that do that, talk about ruining immersion, the last thing I want to see in a story based RPG is how much everything in that story sounds as fake as something you'd see in a game =_='') and being fairly useless in battle and not having much in the way of a character arc hes easily the one character I really just can't stand. Again, all of the characters are pretty generic in one way or another (and Falcom normally does a great job of turning fairly generic characters into three dimensional ones) but even the ones who have limited development at generally at least useful in battle or something.
 
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Say what you will, but Tokyo Xanadu's still selling more than either of the Zwei games. It's new, it's accessible to certain target audiences (Persona fans might see it as a gateway Falcom game), and word of mouth's fairly strong on Steam. Meanwhile the oldie just don't get their respect.

I'm part of the problem right now since I haven't bought eX+ yet. Maybe that's something to save up for this summer.
 

Novel Mike

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Say what you will, but Tokyo Xanadu's still selling more than either of the Zwei games. It's new, it's accessible to certain target audiences (Persona fans might see it as a gateway Falcom game), and word of mouth's fairly strong on Steam. Meanwhile the oldie just don't get their respect.

I'm part of the problem right now since I haven't bought eX+ yet. Maybe that's something to save up for this summer.
Thats good to hear at least, I'll certainly say that I was worried early on that the game would be fairly short but it does have a significant amount of content as you would expect from a Falcom RPG, well worth the 60$ price tag if its a game that you would like. I did most of the things I could do in one run and clocked in around 70 hours I think? Went back and did a second playthrough in another 10 on the hardest difficulty and now doing my final one on the infinity mode which I'm just running through. Really an enjoyable game, certainly to those who enjoyed the setup of something like Persona or Trails of Cold Steel.
 

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Say what you will, but Tokyo Xanadu's still selling more than either of the Zwei games. It's new, it's accessible to certain target audiences (Persona fans might see it as a gateway Falcom game), and word of mouth's fairly strong on Steam. Meanwhile the oldie just don't get their respect.

I'm part of the problem right now since I haven't bought eX+ yet. Maybe that's something to save up for this summer.
What? But you are such a huge Falcom fan! You should definitely pick it up, it's quite good.
 

Kilbane65

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I got this game this weekend due to Steam's Lunar Sale and played for like 2 hours so far.
First impression was how much this reminds me of old Persona games, even the music for the school/town areas is making me feel like I'm back to playing those games.
I found an item in a shop that had a description of being "so full of meat, it would make C**e proud". This gotta be a reference to Chie I bet.
So far I'm loving it, they really nailed the persona feel, my only complaint is that female characters look very similar to each other, besides hair style their faces look too much alike.
Oh, and the DLC tab has a bunch of items in it, are those cosmetic stuff? Should I use them now, or are they gonna break the game and make it too easy?
 

Eila

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh dang, I didn't realize it went on sale in the Lunar Sale. Would have grabbed it then.
I'm in no rush, as I have a big falcom backlog ATM.
 

coredecepts

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A few hours into the PC version. Playing with my PS4 controller, but the game is giving me Xbox button prompts.

I had my Xbox controller plugged in when I started the game, but I've since unplugged it.

I tried fiddling with controller settings in Steam, and I even restarted my computer, but it still gives me Xbox prompts.

It's not a deal-breaker, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them.
 

Ascheroth

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Oct 25, 2017
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A few hours into the PC version. Playing with my PS4 controller, but the game is giving me Xbox button prompts.

I had my Xbox controller plugged in when I started the game, but I've since unplugged it.

I tried fiddling with controller settings in Steam, and I even restarted my computer, but it still gives me Xbox prompts.

It's not a deal-breaker, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Use Kvik 's button prompt mod.
 
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Completed Ex+. The epilogue was way longer than I thought it would be. Planned to finish it the night I beat the main game but in the end it took an extra week to fully complete.

Mitsuki went from omg stop running out of mana to holy shit she just solo'd the final boss without taking any damage. Conversely I really wanted to like Rion but she sucks so bad as a playable character.

My hoarding tendencies paid off in spades near the end where I had more than enough elixirs and somas to item cheese the final boss. And the final boss after that....and then the final final boss in the after story afterwords.

I laughed out loud at the title DEMON PRINCESS SHIORI. Truly the most threatening Greed of All.

IMO this game had a way to redeem its plot from being just another trashy battle harem anime when we got Shiori's love letter and Kou showing some really strong emotions towards her as well towards the endgame. But then nothing comes of that. Nothing comes of Kou/Asuka or Kou/anyone else either. It's another tired anime cliche to add on to the mountain of anime cliches that comprised the rest of the game. Gorou was cool though. I didn't expect him to be a good guy and he solved my problems earlier with how it seemed like no adults were doing anything about the eclipse.

Rem? More like DEM. Since she came out of nowhere for no adequate reason to start the plot then never did anything of note again. Nemesis as a whole was seriously underdeveloped.

I liked the after story. Jun is the most broken character in the game bar none, it added quite a lot of extra playtime and allowed me to fully upgrade everyone. Ryouta being playable was a neat suprise though I would have much rather had Shiori or Towa. The twilight apostle being the true final boss was a welcome if predictable finisher even if Mitsuki blasting power shells the whole time to finish him off was an anticlimax. Given how the game sold 3x the amount needed to break even a sequel should be all but confirmed though I won't be buying it until it goes at least 50% off or XSeed localizes it.

It's a fun game. I rate it a 8/10. Localization could be better but its bearable. Really did wish Falcom had the balls to just go with a definitive romantic ending though. Even if it was someone out of left field like Mayu it still would have been more interesting than what we got IMO.

What, how??
Rion was insanely OP for me. Like, fucking wrecking everything in her path! Maybe it's the equipment that changed things?
 

demidar

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What, how??
Rion was insanely OP for me. Like, fucking wrecking everything in her path! Maybe it's the equipment that changed things?

You think Rion was the strongest flying character? WRONG it's actually Ryouta. Seriously, it's super powerful given his base 30% crit chance Master Quartz.
 

Blade24070

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Oct 26, 2017
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Game is only 30 bucks on Amazon right now. Might go ahead and get my copy finally, I'm in the middle of a PS3 backlog blitz so probably won't play it for awhile yet. I do wish I would've gotten the limited edition when it was like 62 bucks on Amazon last week for a day or so.
 

denpanosekai

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Oct 28, 2017
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I just finished the godly Ys 8 amd currently blasting through the Secret of Mana remake. How disappointed will I be with combat in this game or game play in general?
 

gdt

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About to start this....I've never played a Falcom game though.

Any general tips? How valuable is that affinity engine cheat table thing in the op?