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Shinada has a move that lets you regen health in exchange for heat. Abuse it! Akiyama is harder since he has nothing like that, which makes the later fights frustrating. I seem to recall it being possible to knock enemies down and keep sweeping them on the ground getting them caught in a loop forever, so that's worth using.

Done with the Akiyama Coliseum fights! Only Shinada's left. I just found out that I haven't chosen the right upgrades during my original playthroughs so I don't have the ability to regain some health in exchange for heat. So I had to beat the Komakis in order to be able to go to Level 25. That was a pain as I don't like Shinada's fighting style. Now I have to go up two more levels in order to unlock the health regen ability. 99.40% completion. I hope it won't take me too long to finish up.
 

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Done with the Akiyama Coliseum fights! Only Shinada's left. I just found out that I haven't chosen the right upgrades during my original playthroughs so I don't have the ability to regain some health in exchange for heat. So I had to beat the Komakis in order to be able to go to Level 25. That was a pain as I don't like Shinada's fighting style. Now I have to go up two more levels in order to unlock the health regen ability. 99.40% completion. I hope it won't take me too long to finish up.
ugh 5's upgrade system was so annoying for that reason

Making it impossible to plan out your character without looking up a guide due to the level cap essentially means you roll the dice in real time as to what you prioritize.
 

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Done with the Akiyama Coliseum fights! Only Shinada's left. I just found out that I haven't chosen the right upgrades during my original playthroughs so I don't have the ability to regain some health in exchange for heat. So I had to beat the Komakis in order to be able to go to Level 25. That was a pain as I don't like Shinada's fighting style. Now I have to go up two more levels in order to unlock the health regen ability. 99.40% completion. I hope it won't take me too long to finish up.
Fighting the Komaki's as Shinada is either extremely easy or almost impossible depending on your tactics - the cheap way is buying a couple of the warning sign weapons - defeats one Komaki in around 1-2 hits. Its absolutely the way to handle them unless you want to try fighting them fair (which is a losing tactic seeing as they don't fight fair to begin with!)
 

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Fighting the Komaki's as Shinada is either extremely easy or almost impossible depending on your tactics - the cheap way is buying a couple of the warning sign weapons - defeats one Komaki in around 1-2 hits. Its absolutely the way to handle them unless you want to try fighting them fair (which is a losing tactic seeing as they don't fight fair to begin with!)
I beat them using one of the special "fish spears" (I don't remember which one) which Shinada luckily still had on him from my first playthrough. I'm glad I won't have to do that again. I read somewhere that there are some experience orbs that you can get by upgrading the IF8 machine. I just don't remember if I haven't done that already or not.
 

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It's not the most active right now but you can bet your behind it's going to see more action once Yakuza 6 releases.
 

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Question for those of you who have played both Ishin and Kenzan:

How does Kenzan stack up to Ishin? As someone who played through Ishin using KHH sub's wonderful guide and absolutely loved it (probably my favorite game in the series after 0!), I've been wondering how good Kenzan is in comparison.

I actually imported Kenzan the same time I imported Ishin, so I'm definitely going to play it regardless of how good it actually is, but I've been saving it for any near-future Yakuza droughts. Heck, that could even be as soon as after 6 with no foreseeable Yakuza localization on the horizon after that. I've heard word that Kenzan is actually quite good, though, so I've been getting the itch to play it recently. And apparently ThePatrick wrote an excellent guide geared toward us non-Japanese speakers out there, so I'm hoping the experience is comparable to how surprisingly easy KHH sub's guide made playing through Ishin.
 

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Question for those of you who have played both Ishin and Kenzan:

How does Kenzan stack up to Ishin? As someone who played through Ishin using KHH sub's wonderful guide and absolutely loved it (probably my favorite game in the series after 0!), I've been wondering how good Kenzan is in comparison.

I actually imported Kenzan the same time I imported Ishin, so I'm definitely going to play it regardless of how good it actually is, but I've been saving it for any near-future Yakuza droughts. Heck, that could even be as soon as after 6 with no foreseeable Yakuza localization on the horizon after that. I've heard word that Kenzan is actually quite good, though, so I've been getting the itch to play it recently. And apparently ThePatrick wrote an excellent guide geared toward us non-Japanese speakers out there, so I'm hoping the experience is comparable to how surprisingly easy KHH sub's guide made playing through Ishin.

I can vouch for the text guide, I've used it. Kenzan at the moment still ranks as pretty much the best Yakuza game in my opinion. Combat was amazing, side stories are brilliant and I loved the change of setting. Only real issues that make it harder to play is stuff like side stories being missable (like in Yakuza 1 and 2) so if your going after Amon you need to be aware of that, and the menu's and basic mechanics being slightly less refined than Ishin (which is a much newer game). Graphically it still holds up nice as well (I was playing it just last night). I say go for it :)
 

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Just beat zero...wow why didn't I play this series before. I'm almost wondering if I hold off on Kiwami not to get burnt out but I don't think I can resist.
 

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Done with the Akiyama Coliseum fights! Only Shinada's left. I just found out that I haven't chosen the right upgrades during my original playthroughs so I don't have the ability to regain some health in exchange for heat. So I had to beat the Komakis in order to be able to go to Level 25. That was a pain as I don't like Shinada's fighting style. Now I have to go up two more levels in order to unlock the health regen ability. 99.40% completion. I hope it won't take me too long to finish up.

I went through a few IF8 levels to get some orbs and now I got the health regen abililty. 99.55 done! But I also got Yakuza 6 (the full game) yesterday and it'll be hard to not play it!
 

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Just beat zero...wow why didn't I play this series before. I'm almost wondering if I hold off on Kiwami not to get burnt out but I don't think I can resist.

Play something else in-between, while Kiwami isn't as packed with content and polished as Y0, it's still very much a similar game in terms of mechanics and 'feel' so in order to avoid franchise fatigue do yourself a favor and play a different game or games before jumping in again.
 

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I can vouch for the text guide, I've used it. Kenzan at the moment still ranks as pretty much the best Yakuza game in my opinion. Combat was amazing, side stories are brilliant and I loved the change of setting. Only real issues that make it harder to play is stuff like side stories being missable (like in Yakuza 1 and 2) so if your going after Amon you need to be aware of that, and the menu's and basic mechanics being slightly less refined than Ishin (which is a much newer game). Graphically it still holds up nice as well (I was playing it just last night). I say go for it :)

Whoa, the BEST Yakuza game?! That's some incredibly high praise! Hard to believe they knocked it out of the park so hard with their first outing with that engine on the PS3. Seems we weren't quite that lucky with Yakuza 6. Well, I'm really looking forward to digging into it, then! Thanks for your insight. Out of curiosity, if you're willing to, how would you rank the games in the series?
 

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Whoa, the BEST Yakuza game?! That's some incredibly high praise! Hard to believe they knocked it out of the park so hard with their first outing with that engine on the PS3. Seems we weren't quite that lucky with Yakuza 6. Well, I'm really looking forward to digging into it, then! Thanks for your insight. Out of curiosity, if you're willing to, how would you rank the games in the series?

The thing that separates 6 and Kenzan in terms of quality I feel was partially due to Kenzan building on what was already in 2, while 6 had to chop out some legacy stuff that has been in the games for several sequels (and following up the juggernauts of content that were Yakuza 5 and 0 certainly makes it seem worse than it actually is). Also Kenzan is a side story, 6 is the end of Kiryu's story so people were way more critical because of that. If the first Dragon engine game was not a mainline sequel or the end of Kiryu's story I bet it would have been more warmly received. Then again, I loved Yakuza 6, its got some of my favourite characters in the series, Takeshi Kintano especially I really loved in this game. Plus the Dragon engine is something I've really taken to (I love the added immersion it gives me when exploring the city) plus its got some fantastic set pieces and side stories - it just needed another year to bake in order to get it to where it should have been. Well, that and there is one plot point I'm not a fan of, but that's spoiler territory so I'm shutting up now!

Your millage may vary with Kenzan, but I just loved the change of setting, the characters, the combat and some of the side stories used in the game (one particular holds "best of series" status in terms of the humor). I really need to replay it sometime to see how it holds up now, especially with Ishin being so good as well.

I'm not much for rankings, my opinions on the games change so much. For example the more I think about Yakuza 3 the higher I rank it in my mind, on replay its become one of my favourites. While Yakuza 5 (one of the more divisive entries) is probably top 3 in terms of gameplay for me - just because I loved getting the 100% so much.

Content wise I'd probably give the top 5 games to: Yakuza 0, Yakuza 5, Yakuza Ishin, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Yakuza 6
0 has a nicer spread of content, but 5 just has a shit ton of content. Ishin has a nice different variety of content (not counting the completion lists which were just a grind). Kiwami 2 and 6 have a really nice variety of content, and 6 especially has to get mentioned for the following reasons - snack bar conversations, "fishing" (aka lightgun spear fishing!), the entire Sega arcade (VF5 FS, Puyo Puyo, retro games etc.) and some nice refinements to existing mini games (bar darts). Kiwami 2 has a slightly worse arcade, just because it has less games but makes up for it by bringing back way more mini games missing from 6.

Story/characters wise its basically:
Kenzan=0=2, 1 (Kiwami), 3, Ishin

4 isn't listed because for the life of me I forget most of it. Kenzan was amazing back in the day so I rank it all the way up top, but both 0 and 2 are amazing as well - 2 has the weaker story (it has some really baffling plot twists) but has amazing characters - Kawara, Karou, Ryuji are all top tier characters and the Majima usage in the game was just right. 1 will always hold a special place with me because its the first game and I loved the Kiryu/Haruka dynamic in it, plus it has a ton of amazing characters like Kazama, Nishiki, Shimano etc. Kiwami makes the story better thanks to the added story scenes. 3 and Ishin are both quality stories with some amazing set pieces late in the game, however both take a time to get going. 3 also has a few really odd plot twists that I'm not a fan of, but really I have to mention it since I love the second half so damn much.
Only thing I'm not clear on, is if I'd put Kiwami 2 up there with Yakuza 2 story wise. Its basically just because a couple of story scenes get some music changed and makes the scenes less impactful. Gameplay wise its better than the original, but those original scenes were better audio wise than the new ones... This might end up as a moot point by the time the game gets released in English though as the music in these scenes will almost certainly be changed again so who knows.

So basically my rankings are pretty pointless, as I love each and every one of the series (yes, even you Dead Souls!). Its basically one of the most consistently great game series I've ever played.
 

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Play something else in-between, while Kiwami isn't as packed with content and polished as Y0, it's still very much a similar game in terms of mechanics and 'feel' so in order to avoid franchise fatigue do yourself a favor and play a different game or games before jumping in again.

Probably will I'm just hooked on the narrative: gameplay was great but I was just floored by the story.
 

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Honestly thus far Ishin is likely my favorite. I absolutely love the setting and the opportunity it gives for the series to escape the tropes that can bog down the series otherwise. Also the gameplay is without a doubt the best I've played thus far. Sword and winddance styles are stupidly fun to use. Harvest Yakuza is also strangely compelling, though Club Cabaret is still by far my favorite side game in the series.

My ranking thus far would probably be I > 0 > 4 > 5 > K

4 and 5 are pretty equivalent though. I liked 5's story more even though it ends with a whimper, but 4 is better paced and more even-handed (5 beats you over the head so much with the Dream theme it gets really tiring after a while) so it's kind of a wash. 5 also generally has better gameplay and more content, though the jury is still out on whether or not thats inherently a good thing. Sometimes less is more, and striking a choherent balance between the two is difficult and overall I think 5 tips over the edge into overwhelming pretty early on.
 

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It's also really unforgivable too because they smash you over the head with it endlessly and ponders the question "how does one resolve the conflict of conflicting dreams?", poses the dreams of one group v the other in Kiryu's group vs the Omi and then ends on

a fucking cliffhanger. Like, seriously guys? You harp on RELENTLESSLY about this and the conflict inherent and then make like roadrunner at the climax, leaving the player running off the edge of a cliff with a 2 ton anchor dropping on the player hoping they won't notice you bailed at the first sign of actually having to deal with consequences of said conflict.

Just such a wet fart of a finish. From the last boss and onward the game it feels like the writers just gave up and fell into cliches and overall series tropes to hopefully fill the gaps.

Honestly had the resolution been better I would probably like Y5 the most. Pacing issues and ending aside, it's an absolutely solid title that unlike other titles who overly rely on the story to prop up the game (looking at you, ME3+A and MGS4) when underdelivering on it is effective failure of the game overall, Yakuza maintains enough core strength to mostly get by with a bad ending.

Also I probably came off a lot harsher than I meant to there. I still loved the shit out of Y5 and would totally recommend it to anyone, just man that ending left a bitter taste in my mouth--even if it was aesthetically and thematically really beautiful.
 

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"The End of the Dragon" fits best. Kiryu deserves his send off appropriately.


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That's what bugs me about the ending.


Yeah I mean that's a big problem with both Y4+5 tho. Essentially the plots are resolved "because Kiryu", and it arguably hurt both games (defo Y4 tho >.>). I would have loved to see Shinada, Haruka, Akiyama, and Saejima (and tanimura in 4, for that matter) resolve their respective plot threads without Kiryu riding in on a white horse. I think Y5 did it a *lot* better than 4 because I mean if you're going to introduce superman why not at chapter 1, right? The overall final ending was beautiful, even if I think it should have happened two games ago and not been followed up by a sequel. "Is this a dream?" Again, BB salute.
 

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"The End of the Dragon" fits best. Kiryu deserves his send off appropriately.


Yeah I mean that's a big problem with both Y4+5 tho. Essentially the plots are resolved "because Kiryu", and it arguably hurt both games (defo Y4 tho >.>). I would have loved to see Shinada, Haruka, Akiyama, and Saejima (and tanimura in 4, for that matter) resolve their respective plot threads without Kiryu riding in on a white horse. I think Y5 did it a *lot* better than 4 because I mean if you're going to introduce superman why not at chapter 1, right? The overall final ending was beautiful, even if I think it should have happened two games ago and not been followed up by a sequel. "Is this a dream?" Again, BB salute.

Y4 would have been a perfect series ending. Almost everyone is happily ever after, ESPECIALLY Saejima.
 

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  • The Real Dad of War
  • The End of the Dragon

These would be my choices. For story, and legacy reasons I really like "The End of the Dragon" but I do love the tongue in cheek nature of Real Dad of War (made better because the game is being released right next to GOW now).

Also RE: Steamed Hams. I've no idea why one of the best Simpsons jokes has become a meme, but that's hands down brilliant. Only thing missing was slipping in a "press triangle for heat move" prompt, doesn't truly feel like Yakuza without it!
 

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  • The Real Dad of War
  • The End of the Dragon
These would be my choices. For story, and legacy reasons I really like "The End of the Dragon" but I do love the tongue in cheek nature of Real Dad of War (made better because the game is being released right next to GOW now).

Also RE: Steamed Hams. I've no idea why one of the best Simpsons jokes has become a meme, but that's hands down brilliant. Only thing missing was slipping in a "press triangle for heat move" prompt, doesn't truly feel like Yakuza without it!
Honestly even though my heart says "End of the Dragon" and my, erm...funny bone says "Real Dad of War" I think we gotta come up with something that is both welcoming to new fans and disregards God of War. Irrespective of what we may think (and I have *strong* feelings on the matter don't get me fucking wrong), I think the fanbase needs to get the fuck away from GoW and establish it's own identity while at the same time being welcome to new players. I really fucking hate that Sega is launching next to God of War and we have to balance around that, but it is what it is. I honestly have no idea what to name the op, not really a very poetic guy. Maybe a joking reference to a minigame? Like I get the OT importance more than most, and I think we should come out with a shotgun blast. Both owing to the heart of the franchise and exploding in peoples faces with what Yakuza means. I know I'm relatively new here, but I think we can really make a difference here overall. Much like 0, word of mouth means everything for this title and I want it to succeed no matter what.
 

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I like the title of one of the substories in Y6 for a possible thread title

"Look what the Dragon dragged in"
 

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I like "Don't mess with his schedule" like the PlayStation Trailer suggests
 

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Also Kenzan is a side story, 6 is the end of Kiryu's story so people were way more critical because of that. If the first Dragon engine game was not a mainline sequel or the end of Kiryu's story I bet it would have been more warmly received.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I assumed was going on when Y6 seemed to get such overly harsh criticism upon its Japanese release. Just one look at the amazon.jp reviews was enough to make me scratch my head and ask "What happened?" But going by what I've seen thus far, tempering my expectations a bit, and based on what you've said about Y6, I'm fairly confident I'm going to enjoy it quite a bit, too!

Content wise I'd probably give the top 5 games to: Yakuza 0, Yakuza 5, Yakuza Ishin, Yakuza Kiwami 2, Yakuza 6

I pretty much agree with your ranking content-wise. Well, I can definitely vouch for 0, 5, and Ishin, at least, having not yet played Kiwami 2 and 6 yet. You placing those two up there does excite me, though! 5 DEFINITELY has the most content in the series, but I feel like 0 hit the ideal sweet spot balance between quantity and quality of content.

Story/characters wise its basically:
Kenzan=0=2, 1 (Kiwami), 3, Ishin

Story-wise I feel a bit different about, though. Kiwami was actually my first exposure to the original Yakuza (the first title I played was 3, and I went on from there. So, I still have yet to play any version of 2), and man oh man, did it become immediately apparent how far the team has come over the years at compelling story-telling since their first attempt. Personally, I felt the writing in Kiwami was all over the place. Heck, the added Nishiki scenes stand out as some of the best in the game, and those are obviously completely new! That said, it isn't straight up *bad* or anything, just a bit lacking compared to what I was used to with the series. And especially coming hot off the heels of 0, too. Though I surprisingly ended up liking the story in Kiwami a decent bit more my second time around on my Legend playthrough.

Anyway, I'd personally rank the story/characters:
0 > Ishin > 4 = 5 > 3 > Kiwami

And my overall (which is basically how much I enjoyed the games) is actually pretty similar to the previous ranking:
0 > Ishin > 5 > 4 > 3 > Kiwami

My ranking thus far would probably be I > 0 > 4 > 5 > K

I think you nail basically how I feel about 4 and 5, too. They're pretty close in my book as well. I'd say 5 just edges it out as the overall better package, but 4's story is definitely paced and told better, whereas 5 really slips up near the end. 5 had arguably better characters, though.
Really glad to see that you're enjoying Ishin so much, though! I had a blast with it, too. And get ready for the end chapters. They're fantastic. Ishin definitely still has my favorite final boss fight in the series. Best build up, best final boss track, fantastic QTEs and transitions, and just so damn emotional, too. Great stuff.

All that said... I feel like I'm really overdue for replays of 3 and 4, and maybe even 5. I haven't played 3 and 4 in quite awhile, and it didn't exactly feel "proper" jumping in with those two first, either. I feel like I'd get an almost completely different experience and viewpoint playing them now! Which is precisely why I, like many others, really hope a PS4 remaster collection or whatever of 3, 4 and 5 is actually going to be a thing! That'd be fan-fucking-tastic.
 

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1's story for me was great because I played it right at the very beginning of the series when it launched on the PS2. No fancy PS4 version of 0 to dive straight into ;)
I only actually picked the game up because I loved Shenmue - and this game was set in Japan, had hand to hand fighting, and was made by Sega. Ok so Yakuza isn't really all that much like Shenmue really, but it was enough to get me to buy the game, and from there I was just flawed thanks to the awesome characters and battles the game threw at you. The characters especially seemed really well done, since most of the games I played at the time were really bad in terms of story and characters. Guess it was something you really had to experience at the time to get the most out of it, going from 0 to any other game in the series at this point in time would be quite the adjustment for sure!
 

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1's story for me was great because I played it right at the very beginning of the series when it launched on the PS2. No fancy PS4 version of 0 to dive straight into ;)
I only actually picked the game up because I loved Shenmue - and this game was set in Japan, had hand to hand fighting, and was made by Sega. Ok so Yakuza isn't really all that much like Shenmue really, but it was enough to get me to buy the game, and from there I was just flawed thanks to the awesome characters and battles the game threw at you. The characters especially seemed really well done, since most of the games I played at the time were really bad in terms of story and characters. Guess it was something you really had to experience at the time to get the most out of it, going from 0 to any other game in the series at this point in time would be quite the adjustment for sure!

This was actually one of my motivations as well picking up the original Yakuza game when it came out. I love Shenmue and this seemed like a somewhat spritiual successor at first (I quickly realized that it's different, but i think that's a good thing). Also the general theme of the game (Japan's underground, Yakuza etc) seemed really interesting to me, something I only knew from Japanese yakuza movies before. And I was a fan ever since.
 

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I first played the Yakuza demo and it left a sour taste in my mouth, since I wanted Shenmue and the world felt empty to me. It wasn't until I got 4 for $20 on a huge price error that I was completely turned around.
 

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about ranks.

0 > 2 > Kiwami 1 > 5 > Kiwami 2 > 1 > 4 > 3



5 easily stays in top 1 in the music part tho.
I didn't play 6.
 

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Huh, I realized today that Hiroyuki Miyasako also was the voice of Kanda in Yakuza 3 as well as his big role as Nagumo in Yakuza 6. This is in addition to Tatsuya Fujiwara, who plays Yuta in 6, being the voice of Rikiya in 3. Pretty weird and funny. The yakuza team don't just reuse graphic assets!
Also speaks a bit to how the series has evolved with them just looking like themselves in 6.
 

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0 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 5 > Kiwami

But I like them all. 5 feels bloated at times and Kiwami feels lacking at times, but I still enjoyed them a lot. I suspect 2 might be higher if I had played earlier, but jumping from 0/Kiwami to 2 is pretty rough. I'm excited to give the game another shot with Kiwami 2!
 

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0 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 5 > Kiwami

But I like them all. 5 feels bloated at times and Kiwami feels lacking at times, but I still enjoyed them a lot. I suspect 2 might be higher if I had played earlier, but jumping from 0/Kiwami to 2 is pretty rough. I'm excited to give the game another shot with Kiwami 2!
Don't get your hopes up... play the original. Friendly advice.