Nintendo First-Party Thread

ILikeFeet · Jan 30, 2018

MoonFrog said:
Most of the discussion until Switchitter showed up was me spouting how confused I was. And then words like panic and fear start showing up thrown at the whole thread. It is hard not to think they are meant for me and the questions I was raising/working through.

I legit didnt see those posts. I tend to read the post texts without associating users to them unless the posts are anything of note. my "kick and screaming" comment has less to do with you and more the prevailing comments on the port of NSMBU prior to Emily commenting on it herself

Kcannon · Jan 30, 2018

Honestly, the NSMBU rumor sounds more like a full brand sequel that reuses the artstyle and some assets of previous games, like how NSMBU itself did.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Jan 30, 2018

Kcannon said:
Honestly, the NSMBU rumor sounds more like a full brand sequel that reuses the artstyle and some assets of previous games, like how NSMBU itself did.

I mean, I think people will still be somewhat unhappy with that.

Because U was not very original or daring at all and has a really bad art style that people want to see changed.

silby · Jan 30, 2018

What if…NSMB All-Stars

MoonFrog · Jan 30, 2018

NSMB All-Stars could be a huge game for Nintendo at attracting an expanded audience. Lots of value in that.

Particularly if they add co-op into the games without it.

I mean NSMB U would be a big game it is just...everything I've said above.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Jan 30, 2018

MoonFrog said:
NSMB All-Stars could be a huge game for Nintendo at attracting an expanded audience. Lots of value in that.

Particularly if they add co-op into the games without it.

I mean NSMB U would be a big game it is just...everything I've said above.

What if... Mario Maker plus NSMB U port and now you can do 4 player co-op in the Mario Maker levels.

O_O

This would be good (it won't happen >:( )

DecoReturns · Jan 30, 2018

A Smash Port releasing this year would suck becuase we won't get the 2 year crazy pre-release mayhem Smash 4 caused.

Okay, actually maybe it is for the best. Pic of the day was too much madness lol.

At least with a port Cloud is a sure thing

MoonFrog · Jan 30, 2018

Mario Maker was such a sleeper hit with me. I really loved that game and wasn't expecting to get so into it for the 2 months or so it absorbed my free time.

...

IDK about Smash Switch and me. If they add a lot of content and characters I want, I'd probably get it. And then be sad because no one plays Smash around me anymore :(

If it is relatively close to the Wii U release, I can safely skip it.

Chie Satonaka91 · Jan 30, 2018

DecoReturns said:
A Smash Port releasing this year would suck becuase we won't get the 2 year crazy pre-release mayhem Smash 4 caused.

Okay, actually maybe it is for the best. Pic of the day was too much madness lol.

At least with a port Cloud is a sure thing

If the port smash 4 over, I could see them building on it for a year or two with new characters and stages as dlc. They'd make announcements periodically at directs/events, it could have a similar effect.

ILikeFeet · Jan 30, 2018

A collection of all the best levels with multiplayer (And extra characters) would be the best way to go about the port. The name used, NSMB+, implies there's gonna be a bit more to the package anyway, much like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

They gotta drop the U though. Maybe call it New Super Mario Bros Deluxe or something

DecoReturns · Jan 30, 2018

Chie Satonaka91 said:
If the port smash 4 over, I could see them building on it for a year or two with new characters and stages as dlc. They'd make announcements periodically at directs/events, it could have a similar effect.

Yeah. I was thinking Smash would have a ton of support. It made a ton of money on DLC according to Nintendo. Plus they can use those annoucments as advertisement.

Maybe finally Paper Mario would make the roster (please)

ShadowFox08 · Jan 30, 2018

I hope we get smash deluxe in the summer with the combined content and extra dlc.. holidays seem too far off

Dark Cloud · Jan 30, 2018

NSMBU should definitely drop the "U" and make it more of a collection package. I think people would be much more happier with that than just NSMBU + Luigi U.

SamAlbro · Jan 30, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
NSMBU should definitely drop the "U" and make it more of a collection package. I think people would be much more happier with that than just NSMBU + Luigi U.

"New Super Mario All-Stars"

Gartooth · Jan 30, 2018

I think something to think about is that it could be a new 2D Mario too. We have no idea what that team is doing for Switch, and they've been radio silent for a couple years now.

There's also the case where many speculated we were getting a Splatoon Deluxe when it turned out to be Splatoon 2.

Phendrana · Jan 30, 2018

ze_ said:
I don't really understand the worry over a maybe pointless NSMBU+L port. I doubt it'd slow development on a sequel to Mario Maker or their experiments with a new type of 2D Mario dramatically. If such a title were ready, they'd just... release that instead. But if they can quickly prepare a port, why not? It's not as if there isn't a brand new Mario game for core players already out.

Because we already know about three ports coming this year? Which will become four with the inevitable Smash Bros., and now maybe FIVE with New Super Mario Bros. U? That's probably 50% of the 2018 lineup right there. Hell, there's rumours of The Wonderful 101 being re-released too, and most of the major third party games announced so far are also ports of years old games. It's just too much.

It's not about being against ports, or being concerned that they're taking up dev time on other games. It's that they're seemingly going to dominate the year on Switch. I bought the those games that I had any interest in the first time around, so the year is looking super dry for me for the first six months, and hearing that even more ports are coming in the second half doesn't bode well.

And you have to question how they could get into a position that they need to release this many ports in quick succession too, because the Wii U was practically dead over a year before the Switch released. What have Nintendo been doing?

MoonFrog · Jan 30, 2018

Phendrana said:
And you have to question how they could get into a position that they need to release this many ports in quick succession too, because the Wii U was practically dead over a year before the Switch released. What have Nintendo been doing?

Yep. I really hope we are not back in that stalling pattern of late 2015 through Switch launch where we were constantly "What is Nintendo doing?"

Switch launch year really took us out of that pattern and I hope we stay out :P.

Ethifury · Jan 30, 2018

Phendrana said:
Because we already know about three ports coming this year? Which will become four with the inevitable Smash Bros., and now maybe FIVE with New Super Mario Bros. U? That's probably 50% of the 2018 lineup right there. Hell, there's rumours of The Wonderful 101 being re-released too, and most of the major third party games announced so far are also ports of years old games. It's just too much.

It's not about being against ports, or being concerned that they're taking up dev time on other games. It's that they're seemingly going to dominate the year on Switch. I bought the those games that I had any interest in the first time around, so the year is looking super dry for me for the first six months, and hearing that even more ports are coming in the second half doesn't bode well.

And you have to question how they could get into a position that they need to release this many ports in quick succession too, because the Wii U was practically dead over a year before the Switch released. What have Nintendo been doing?

They made ports to avoid software droughts until new software is done. And PS4/Xbox One did it too for the first few years. I expect 2019-beyond to be 80:20 in favor of new titles over ports. Development for HD games takes time.Especially 3DS studios.

Slam Tilt · Jan 31, 2018

Phendrana said:
Because we already know about three ports coming this year? Which will become four with the inevitable Smash Bros., and now maybe FIVE with New Super Mario Bros. U?

That gets back to the old debate about how much you can reuse existing resources before a port becomes a fully-blown sequel. For example, I don't consider Splatoon 2 to be a port, but I'd be surprised if Nintendo didn't reuse resources and code from the original during its development. Who's to say Switch Smash won't be in a similar situation? Would we still call it a "port" then?

Phendrana · Jan 31, 2018

Slam Tilt said:
Would we still call it a "port" then?

If they add Splatoon 2 level content then no, I wouldn't.

That means more than just added stages and a few new characters though. It needs to have new modes. Something substantial to do in single player, like Melee's Adventure or Brawl's Subspace Emissary. To not be called a port it needs to have the content of a sequel.

MoonFrog · Jan 31, 2018

If Smash 4 has significant roster additions, stage additions, and/or mode additions, balance changes, its own round of DLC...then I think people will see it as a new game. That is, if Nintendo treats it like a new Smash, it will be a new Smash even if it shares a lot of assets and technology and is extremely iterative.

If it is just an all-the-content-in-one release with no service model and limited to no additions and balance edits, it'll be seen as a Deluxe version.

Sander VF · Jan 31, 2018

Even if there's truth to NSMBU rumor, it could easily be a repeat of "Splatoon Port" situation

Same for Smash, actually. Wouldn't be shocked if what was originally an enhanced port turned into an "0.5" sequel.

tonyh24613 · Jan 31, 2018

MoonFrog said:
If Smash 4 has significant roster additions, stage additions, and/or mode editions, balance changes, its own round of DLC...then I think people will see it as a new game. That is, if Nintendo treats it like a new Smash, it will be a new Smash even if it shares a lot of assets and technology and is extremely iterative.

Agree, with visual upgrades and some art style tweak in the same engine, new set of items, ATs and trophies, unless all the additional things are DLC, Nintendo could just call it Smash 5, which will help the marketing a lot.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Jan 31, 2018

Sander VF said:
Even if there's truth to NSMBU rumor, it could easily be a repeat of "Splatoon Port" situation

Same for Smash, actually. Wouldn't be shocked if what was originally an enhanced port turned into an "0.5" sequel.

Splatoon had a lot of the same content as Splatoon 1 though.

NSMBU already is reaallly similar to NSMB Wii and another game like that would be pretty uninspired.

Nilaul · Jan 31, 2018

I think I had enough of ports and NSMBU was an actual snore fest. Only the outdoor ghost levels where unique as they where based o Van Gough.

I would rather have a brand new 2D Mario game where each world is based around a different artists work.

chase beck · Jan 31, 2018

Nilaul said:
I think I had enough of ports and NSMBU was an actual snore fest. Only the outdoor ghost levels where unique as they where based o Van Gough.

I would rather have a brand new 2D Mario game where each world is based around a different artists work.

That would actually be so fucking cool. I didn't know that was something I wanted but now it's all I want. Imagine each world as a different movement - i.e. expressionists, then surrealists, etc.

Nintendo take this idea and run.

Deleted member 6730 · Jan 31, 2018

Does anyone really think they'd still call it "New Super Mario Bros. U" because not only would that be a terrible name outside of the console it was originally released on but it would be a reminder of the Wii U aka one of their greatest failures. Also it's been three years since since the team's last game and unless they're going super ambitious these games aren't that hard to make anyway.

MrGab · Jan 31, 2018

Phendrift said:

Nothing yet?

Plankton2 · Jan 31, 2018

Honestly no one would care about "maybe" getting NSMB port/new game, if they knew more about the other games that were coming this fall.

The uncertainty is just adding into this worry about no games/only ports. If you knew right now that Prime 4 and AC were coming this year, people would probably care way less.

Oscillator · Jan 31, 2018

MrGab said:
Nothing yet?

Just keep an eye on this page:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/

SuperBlank · Jan 31, 2018

I'm psyched at the prospect of a Smash 4 port (enhanced, of course - can't imagine they don't). I never got nearly enough time with Smash 4 when compared to the playtimes I racked up with the first three. Especially Melee and Brawl. So there's still plenty of life left in the game, especially when I can take it on the go.

I mean a full on sequel would be great too, but I'd rather just get Smash on the Switch asap, and frankly I never was and am still not convinced we'll see a proper Smash 5 any time soon. I'm also plenty content with the current roster, and minimal additions like ICs and Inklings would be the cherry on top.

MrGab · Jan 31, 2018

switchitter said:
If Nintendo just wants to do a sequel to Wii U and port everything I'll just go ahead and sell my Switch. I prefer ambitious games. New games. If they can't deliver and just want to sell reheated crap all year that just sucks and means I misplaced my faith in them again. This is not a meltdown at all; if they don't come out with some really good game announcements, I'm out.

Calm down man! A new Metroid Prime is coming, new Bayonetta is coming, new Fire Emblem is coming, new Animal Crossing is coming, and so on.

Deleted member 5535 · Jan 31, 2018

forget

PocketMonsterFan32 · Jan 31, 2018

Nemesis162 said:
So guys, this is the release schedule for 2018 so far:

NE doesn't allow direct linking to images.

Deleted member 8593 · Jan 31, 2018

Looks like Nintendo wants Pokémon out by March 2019.

Nilaul · Jan 31, 2018

Dardan Sandiego said:
Looks like Nintendo wants Pokémon out by March 2019.

They can take as much time as they want if it means we're gonna get a masterpiece.

Deleted member 33 · Jan 31, 2018

MoonFrog said:
If Smash 4 has significant roster additions, stage additions, and/or mode additions, balance changes, its own round of DLC...then I think people will see it as a new game. That is, if Nintendo treats it like a new Smash, it will be a new Smash even if it shares a lot of assets and technology and is extremely iterative.

If it is just an all-the-content-in-one release with no service model and limited to no additions and balance edits, it'll be seen as a Deluxe version.

I'm pretty confident that this will not be a straight port, and there will be plenty of new content.

Anyways, I wonder if this is a "Hyrule Warriors" situation where they combine the Wii U + 3DS content together in the Switch version.

SinCityAssassin · Jan 31, 2018

Emily said:
I'm pretty confident that this will not be a straight port, and there will be plenty of new content.

Hypothetically, wold you assume Pokken DX levels of new content or MK8 Deluxe levels.

Moonchild · Jan 31, 2018

If they add Ice Climbers, I'm in.

memoryman3 · Jan 31, 2018

Let me guess. New content = Inkling and Daisy is still just a trophy :(

SinCityAssassin · Jan 31, 2018

Deleted member 278 · Jan 31, 2018

well, if an NSMBU port is happening I hope it's NSMBU + Luigi U + Super Mario Maker. But lol that's not happening :(

Dark Cloud · Jan 31, 2018

Emily said:
I'm pretty confident that this will not be a straight port, and there will be plenty of new content.

Anyways, I wonder if this is a "Hyrule Warriors" situation where they combine the Wii U + 3DS content together in the Switch version.

Yeah expect lots of new content for Smash. Come it's Sakurai. This dude fills his games to the brim.

And look at those Wii U port numbers. NSMBU port or whatever shape it takes is such a smart business move. It'll probably sell like 20 million copies

Conrad Link · Jan 31, 2018

A Smash port that included all the 3DS stuff but now in pretty HD would actually be something, unlike all the Hyrule Warriors 3DS stuff that was already available on Wii U anyway through DLC but they made it out to be a big deal for the Switch one.

Deleted member 8593 · Jan 31, 2018

Smash 4 Deluxe that includes all the Wii U and 3DS stuff would bring the stage count to 83 (if we ignore the Miiverse one).

PCPace · Jan 31, 2018

I wouldn't buy it again probably, but NSMBU is one of the best 2d Mario games ever, I don't get the hate

Dark Cloud · Jan 31, 2018

I'm ready to buy NSMBU again. One of the most memorable levels is the Van Gogh level. It's sad that the artstyle and music gets trashed so much nobody appreciates the levels in the game.

MoonFrog · Jan 31, 2018

I mean NSMBU is the NSMB I had the most fun with. I liked the challenge mode too. I don't hate it. I just think a port of it is a confusing and somewhat worrying hypothetical.

Dark Cloud · Jan 31, 2018

MoonFrog said:
I mean NSMBU is the NSMB I had the most fun with. I liked the challenge mode too. I don't hate it. I just think a port of it is a confusing and somewhat worrying hypothetical.

The Challenge Mode is soooooo overlooked in the game. Plus we have to think there won't be that player 5 touch mode where they lay blocks?

I guess Nintendo felt like they'll get casuals with Labo and whatever else they have then show them something they know aka New Super Mario Bros. Plus it's probably very cheap for Nintendo since it's just a 2D Mario game and it will outsell most of their other games.

ILikeFeet · Jan 31, 2018

Emily said:
I'm pretty confident that this will not be a straight port, and there will be plenty of new content.

Anyways, I wonder if this is a "Hyrule Warriors" situation where they combine the Wii U + 3DS content together in the Switch version.

all those 3DS assets would have to be reauthored, but they've since had enough time for that. if anything I'm hoping they touch up the visuals. it was nice that they pushed for 1080p on the Wii U, but the game looked underwhelming to me. hope they give it a better lighting pass for the Switch version

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