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Devilman Crybaby |OT| Netflix finally stopped playing Mind Games and Ping Pong with anime fans
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This show is gonna haunt me for years. Chapter 10 was fucking beautifully done.
I'm so happy Devilman got the modern adaptation it truly deserved.
I'm so happy Devilman got the modern adaptation it truly deserved.
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Just finished episode 5 & 6. Can anyone explain
what happened to Silene? Why did she become a statue after merging with that Centuar guy? How did Akira's hand get re-attached?
it was supposed to be a statement of her beauty lasting forever— she died from wounds. Devilman can regenerate limbs
The Moons thing was kind of tricky and confusing for me, especially since in Episode 10
So that kind of confused me on the count.
There were a few things about Ryo that went over my head
Couldn't really understand where they were going with those.
doesn't Satan destroy the moon with an attack?
There were a few things about Ryo that went over my head
What was the point of the scene of him discovering the ruins of a Sabbath? And was that the same place where the first Sabbath took place (where Akira changed)? Or a completely different one? if it was the first one why was it hidden
How did Ryo/Satan get reborn all the way in the Amazon? or wherever that was supposed to be? And what was up with the natives fearing/worshiping him? And then again what was up with the Special Forces team and attack that seemed timed to kill him at birth
Couldn't really understand where they were going with those.
Miko's
post demon possession design is so laughable. I guess being possessed by a demon gives you giant floppy tits. And her face completely changes. I'm never gonna get over how different the characters look post possession but nobody seems to care or really take notice beyond "wow you look a bit different and cool now!"
It's pretty ridiculous indeed, but I guess the transformation is intentionally exaggerated to show they aren't human and it's something that's supposed to seem subtle to the rest of the characters?
Also she had these giant floppy tits before, couldn't miss it when she was running lol
Also she had these giant floppy tits before, couldn't miss it when she was running lol
They definitely were noticeable but I swear they got a few cup sizes bigger.
But thise were there in the very first episode, they made a point to show them in great detail.
She had them before she was a demon.
Everything seems to be bigger once you become possessed or did we forget Akira's giant demon dick and that he is like a foot taller
I could not place Miki but turns out she's Shantae/Velvet. Definitely did not recognize Miko as Sailor Venus/Makoto/Mae though (especially later on for obvious reasons).
Just finished it last night. Very enjoyable anime but I would have probably preferred it end after episode 9.
Episode 10 was some seriously batshit "what a tweeeest! Now here's a text dump" anime nonsense.
Episode 10 was some seriously batshit "what a tweeeest! Now here's a text dump" anime nonsense.
I thought the last episode was great. Even better than the manga where it just shows a picture of the aftermath.
No.
Maybe just maybe they will adapt Violence Jack or Devilman Lady. But these are not "definite" sequels, more of an alternate universe continuation.
Hopefully, they do adopt them though, as they have some awesome stories.
Surprisingly enjoyed this quite a bit. I'm usually not big on anime, but the style, music, and the very overt/on-the-nose biblical themes really hit with me. Hoping Netflix decides to adapt some of the other spin-offs from this, I'd be down for some more craziness. It was the first new anime I've watched in years, and it honestly got me interested in the medium again.
Well ok then..
I give my thoughts in the show
It was good. Going in I did not expect all the sex and what made it worse was my wife was right next to me when it all kicked off. Lol. I went through this strange period of "wow, this is different and I like it." To "OMG dude!!! Quit crying and hugging and fuck shit up!!!" To (at the last episode) "This is soooooo good. I really want to play a Shin Megami Tensei game right now."
It was a great show. I wish there was a follow up season but I'm satisfied with what we got. Watching the show made me think of Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor Overclocked and the mainline Shin Megami Tensei series. Except this series in my opinion accurately depicts how shitty humanity would become in that situation. I loved the raw emotion of fear and mob mentality from the filler characters. I really like Devilman as a character but there was one scene with him that I hated so freaking much because it killed the vibe of what was going on but other then that I have zero complaints. This was a great risks Netflix took. I hope Netflix continues bringing/creating more work like this.
Now I just have to find the Bladerunner 2049 thread so I can share my opinions there and ask some questions.
I just got done watching the series. It was better than I thought it would be. I went in curious about what it and just wanted to see the first episode because I heard it was grotesque and strange, but then I liked it more than I thought I would and finished the season.
omg edLoved this series so much. Those last 3 episodes are phenomenal. Here is a fan art piece I did. Putting it in spoilers even though without context its not really a spoiler
* ___ *
Glad you hmm liked it? I assume "*____*" means you liked it but are still emotionally devastated :p
I LIKE IT
i really, really like it <3
:D
that ending was crazy! the way they structured it was o m g
YOUR PICTURE IS INCREDIBLE
As someone who has never watched much anime save for Dragon Ball and a couple episode of Samurai Champloo, I thought I'd give this a go. Now it could be that I watched this while I was half asleep at 1am, but I couldn't get in to it. The strange stunted dialogue, the random edgy nature of all the characters and random boobs all made it very odd - it was almost like everything that I assumed anime to be and reluctant to experience. Is the first episode just poor, or is this production poor... or is this what this series is all about?
I would continue watching it as the first episode was supposed to be that way, sex and surreal fueled. It is supposed to make you feel like you are watching something crazy.
It's a short series and could be done in 3 hours so I would recommend you watch the whole thing as it gets even crazier.
Edit: It's much more than that though If I wasn't clear. It has a deep story.
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I'm not really an anime fan but I noticed the thread here and watched it because of it. It was pretty... strange. I liked many episodes, the art style, the music. On the other hand, some of the plot stuff was just so nonsensical I couldn't stop laughing which kinda took away from the 'dark' nature of it. I don't think the big reveal in the final episode felt earned, and the final ep dragged the show down a bit. Still, I don't regret watching this at all.
Both versions.
The one from the TV series and the one in the manga. Not sure which is crazier.
How much different is the manga version? Anime one was a stone cold bitch.
In the manga she seduces Jun and gets her pregnant which then creates a body that Akira posses somehow. Later it turns out that Jun and Ran are the two halves of Satan. So Satan literally had sex with himself and gave birth to a body for Akira.
Definitely needs to.
It along with Violence Jack would be amazing for first timers. So many crazy twists and throwbacks.
You mean the
Her being a male originally? Kind of. She changes her body from a woman into a man.
Oh well that kind of lessens the impact of it.
I liked that she was straight up a transgender lesbian from New Jersey
I think there is an interesting discussion to be had about episode 5 actually:
It's a strange subject, and one that brings up some weird questions of morality. Like objectively, it should be completely wrong, but subjectively it doesn't exactly come off that way, sort of? The show doesn't really make it a big deal, even though it kind of is, and most people online don't seem to be discussing this aspect.
Another thing that makes it strange is that
It's a situation that is very conflicting, and it's strange how it doesn't seem to be brought up much. I worried that by bringing it up I might come off as defending it because I can see both sides, but I think it is weirder not to bring it up so I decided to make this post.
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Also, I realized recently that the show kind of reminds me of that weird "erotic violence" catchphrase that some Castlevania Pachinko got flak for back in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anyone remember that? It kind of fits this show in a lot of ways, even if much of the sex is actually presented with a sort of "matter of fact, here are the events with no filter" kind of tone. Almost as if you're reading a report about the events instead of being shown sex with the usual context it is presented in.
What's weird despite all this is that I still consider the show to be pretty good, and I think it has a lot of interesting deep aspects. It's just that it has a lot of "grey vs grey morality" stuff that makes me second guess some things sometimes.
It appears as though Devilman straight up rapes Silene midfight. Though Akira is definitely an anti-hero, this is still something that I wonder was a step too far. Because if you think about, in almost any other situation, raping an enemy before killing them would be considered so completely morally reprehensible that most would have a difficult time identifying Akira as a hero afterwards.
Like on one hand, she meant to seduce him and draw out Amon through sex in the first place, and Silene and the other demons are all portrayed as being creatures that follow their instincts for sex and violence constantly, so in one sense its hard to say whether the fight would turn out any other way if two demons were fighting. But on the other hand, no matter the context, it's generally understood that rape is just straight up evil.
However, another perspective is that Devilman always kills every demon he comes across, and it's kind of strange how we look at him freely slaughtering demons we consider to be irredeemably evil without batting an eyelash but raping one (after she initiates the encounter with sex, but then withdraws) causes myself and others to be perturbed. After all, murder isn't something you can ever recover from, so from an objective stand point it is slightly strange to consider rape to be worse.
Another aspect is the excuse that Akira may have succumbed to letting Amon take over his body if he wasn't able to let his sexual urges be satisfied (as it seems implied that he has to stop himself from assaulting Miki at one point). But really, that's obviously not an excuse that would hold up in any court of law "sorry, I raped the demon before killing her because otherwise I would've raped way more people possibly including my friend, so you see it was for the greater good".
It's very strange and conflicting, and while I was recommending the show to a friend of mine today, I gave her a bunch of nonspecific "trigger warnings" about the show's sexual content and violence. I ultimately decided that I couldn't tell her that "oh yeah, and the main character kind of rapes a female demon villain" because that'd be too specific, but I'm wondering/worried it'd be too much for her considering some of her other hangups (in particular I said there were some sexual situations involving mid-late teen characters, (which of course Akira counts as because he's 16)) and she had some issues with that. It's hard to say whether she'll have more issues with it once she finds out that Akira certainly is not the victim of statutory rape, considering he is the one who does the raping, but she probably will be even more weirded out most likely.
Like on one hand, she meant to seduce him and draw out Amon through sex in the first place, and Silene and the other demons are all portrayed as being creatures that follow their instincts for sex and violence constantly, so in one sense its hard to say whether the fight would turn out any other way if two demons were fighting. But on the other hand, no matter the context, it's generally understood that rape is just straight up evil.
However, another perspective is that Devilman always kills every demon he comes across, and it's kind of strange how we look at him freely slaughtering demons we consider to be irredeemably evil without batting an eyelash but raping one (after she initiates the encounter with sex, but then withdraws) causes myself and others to be perturbed. After all, murder isn't something you can ever recover from, so from an objective stand point it is slightly strange to consider rape to be worse.
Another aspect is the excuse that Akira may have succumbed to letting Amon take over his body if he wasn't able to let his sexual urges be satisfied (as it seems implied that he has to stop himself from assaulting Miki at one point). But really, that's obviously not an excuse that would hold up in any court of law "sorry, I raped the demon before killing her because otherwise I would've raped way more people possibly including my friend, so you see it was for the greater good".
It's very strange and conflicting, and while I was recommending the show to a friend of mine today, I gave her a bunch of nonspecific "trigger warnings" about the show's sexual content and violence. I ultimately decided that I couldn't tell her that "oh yeah, and the main character kind of rapes a female demon villain" because that'd be too specific, but I'm wondering/worried it'd be too much for her considering some of her other hangups (in particular I said there were some sexual situations involving mid-late teen characters, (which of course Akira counts as because he's 16)) and she had some issues with that. It's hard to say whether she'll have more issues with it once she finds out that Akira certainly is not the victim of statutory rape, considering he is the one who does the raping, but she probably will be even more weirded out most likely.
It's a strange subject, and one that brings up some weird questions of morality. Like objectively, it should be completely wrong, but subjectively it doesn't exactly come off that way, sort of? The show doesn't really make it a big deal, even though it kind of is, and most people online don't seem to be discussing this aspect.
Another thing that makes it strange is that
I still think of Akira as an anti-hero based on his actions throughout the show, and not a villain, and the show continues to treat him as a hero as well. Is a character raping a demon that is trying to kill them (who initiated the encounter with sex and is very capable of killing the character) forgiveable, or even OK in the first place (because demon morals don't seem to really exist)? Silene sees it as humiliating but almost brushes it off like Devilman simply bested her at something she considered herself to be his superior at.
It's a situation that is very conflicting, and it's strange how it doesn't seem to be brought up much. I worried that by bringing it up I might come off as defending it because I can see both sides, but I think it is weirder not to bring it up so I decided to make this post.
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Also, I realized recently that the show kind of reminds me of that weird "erotic violence" catchphrase that some Castlevania Pachinko got flak for back in 2015 or 2016 I think. Anyone remember that? It kind of fits this show in a lot of ways, even if much of the sex is actually presented with a sort of "matter of fact, here are the events with no filter" kind of tone. Almost as if you're reading a report about the events instead of being shown sex with the usual context it is presented in.
What's weird despite all this is that I still consider the show to be pretty good, and I think it has a lot of interesting deep aspects. It's just that it has a lot of "grey vs grey morality" stuff that makes me second guess some things sometimes.
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I had some very mixed feelings about it too. It's pretty fucked up and you don't see anyone question it but I think that's sort of the point. What happens is in no way justifiable, but what about everything else Akira does to Silene? I feel as though many of us were actively cheering for the brutal violence because that's what we're desensitized to. Showing us that image brings to light the reality of the situation and caused at least, myself to rethink what I was cheering for. It's a touchy subject for sure, and while Akira's actions might not be justifiable, the scene's inclusion I think, can be.
the Silene rape was actually something Go Nagai wanted to put in the manga but obviously that would have went too far in 1972. On topic with the morality of the rape, he's a demon that brutally rips apart demons. She tried to seduce him as a human-- initiating sex under a false pretense.
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You do know Silane was raping him first. She was forcing sex upon him, alongside exploiting his lucid state. The Demon side comes out in Akira and the reverse happens, where the predator becomes the hunted, and the prey becomes the hunter. It's not a good thing at all and showing that primal nature of demons and how they do dealings
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Sexual violation necessitates the existence of personal boundaries, and I'm not sure what the boundaries of demons would be like. That is to say that they're beings of pure and violent desire, and they frequently merge with each other and other creatures in an act of possession. We might consider ethics, and our self-concept itself, to be products of social relation, as self is defined in orientation to an other that we must attend and give some provision to. This is all to say that it's really fucking hard to imagine what a 'demon society' would be like, what kind of values they'd have, etc. That's not to say that we decidedly shouldn't extend human ethics to them, but as much as I like Kant I don't think we can come to perfect moral principles a priori. I'm cool with the Silene thing just being one big weird question mark.
Interesting perspective. I do think that the scene (and the ones preceding it where he is tearing through demons much more ferociously than in previous episodes because of his grief) might be intentionally provoking whoever is watching the show to consider the morality of the entire situation, and whether murdering the demons is truly right. By the end of the show
it turns out "fighting evil with evil" just resulted in total annihilation, which I think ties very strongly into the anti-war message
(I'm going to respond to the other people who replied, but I think I'll post what I've got first.
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I see, is there a source on that by any chance. It does seem from interviews that Masaaki Yuasa wanted to go as far as he thought Nagai always intended, in particular in this interview where he said:
Masaaki Yuasa said:
So if Nagai really did intend it to be in the original, I see why they included it.
With regards to the morality subject
yes indeed, is it really moral to be fine with him killing demons indiscriminately and see them as purely evil, then to complain about him raping one? That's the question isn't it, and like I said, I am somewhat conflicted on the situation because it really isn't clear. On the subject of her initiating the encounter with sex, in the real world no one would reasonably say that if someone raped another person they are justified because the victim initiated the sex and then decided to retract consent, so I don't think looking at it that way makes a whole of sense. It is true her ultimate goal was to apparently get Amon to take control of Devilman's body by reaching out to him through sex, but that ulterior motive still does not justify rape after they begin a fight to the death, at least in a human to human, real world context. Then again, in a real world context, he'd be convicted of murder regardless.
It's a complex question, and one that I think is worth discussing, as Infinite Ukemi pointed out it kind of even plays into the themes of Devilman's moral questionability.
Will get to the rest when I can, I want to respond to everyone.
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Wasn't a fan of the demon designs generally, they looked like cheap discount Halloween costumes.
But holy shit, this anime is fucking fucked. Man. The thematic execution and tone are flawless. Animation is riveting. Action is well-directed. Characters are brilliant. Pacing is off at times, and transitions between scenes aren't the smoothest.
9/10. Dollars to donuts there won't be a better anime this year.
But holy shit, this anime is fucking fucked. Man. The thematic execution and tone are flawless. Animation is riveting. Action is well-directed. Characters are brilliant. Pacing is off at times, and transitions between scenes aren't the smoothest.
9/10. Dollars to donuts there won't be a better anime this year.