Gran Turismo SPORT | OT | Putting it all on the line

GHG said:

So now I see that I got a little help on my way off the track when my supersoft tires ran out of rubber on lap 2 :P

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You slid and I knocked you straight then you slid again and I had nowhere to go!

Umm does the weight not relate to the overall weight of the car, eg if 100% = 100kg 105% = 105kg? Am pretty sure that is how it is so my car was actually overweight for the race, am happy to have my points taken off regardless if that race counts, or make sure it is correct the next time.

Yeah if you look at the video here you can see as he reduces the weight reduction number the weight of the vehicle goes down, so while I was 4% up on power I was also 5% up on weight :/

JamboGT is right, that's how it works.
Also with coming races, can we disable tire wear for quali and re-enable it in lobby settings right before race start?
It's annoying to try post top time with 7x wear rate, because it gives very few possibilities to score one (tire wear + traffic + constant need of pit resulting in pit out lap + short quali time).

JamboGT said:

You slid and I knocked you straight then you slid again and I had nowhere to go!

Umm does the weight not relate to the overall weight of the car, eg if 100% = 100kg 105% = 105kg? Am pretty sure that is how it is so my car was actually overweight for the race, am happy to have my points taken off regardless if that race counts, or make sure it is correct the next time.

Yeah if you look at the video here you can see as he reduces the weight reduction number the weight of the vehicle goes down, so while I was 4% up on power I was also 5% up on weight :/

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Haha I know, I'd already lost the car at the point you tapped me, you just helped me on my way of the track to make sure I didn't cause chaos to everyone else's races.

On the car weight... I'm not so sure anymore... :/

That is the way it has been since GT PSP in regards to weight reduction, I think maybe the wording has confused some people.

I do know that I would much rather lose 60 kilos than gain 18 odd horsepower so am happy to have been wrong :P

Just use those sliders and observe weight and power numbers under the car thumbnail, easy to see.

prarts said:

JamboGT is right, that's how it works.
Also with coming races, can we disable tire wear for quali and re-enable it in lobby settings right before race start?
It's annoying to try post top time with 7x wear rate, because it gives very few possibilities to score one (tire wear + traffic + constant need of pit resulting in pit out lap + short quali time).

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I know it's tricky, we'll have to do some tests on what you can change that doesn't reset all the times - I didn't want to risk trying that last night after all the hassle we'd had getting people on etc

DHC-Shannow said:

I know it's tricky, we'll have to do some tests on what you can change that doesn't reset all the times - I didn't want to risk trying that last night after all the hassle we'd had getting people on etc

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If going from "off" to "on" will reset times, maybe then we could leave it on whole time but set it to 1x for quali and 7x for the race.
Definitely need testing because as it is now it's PITA.

Probably easier to ban supersofts entirely, so we reduce the risk of people starting the race with the wrong compound. I don't think anyone will use those when racing.
Technically tyre wear in quali has sense: people with softer tyres can be faster, but have fewer laps to set their best time.

Anyone in Gr4 used supersofts yesterday?

I tried them in quali, they didn't last 2 laps for me, but then I'm a terrible driver and in a Viper. They would probably last a very slow out lap, one prime hot lap and a slightly sub hot lap under a decent driver.

I personally don't have too much of an issue with the tire degradation for qualifying. It follows the format that you see in Motorsport:

1. Out lap to warm up tires
2. Hot lap.
3. In lap

In this you don't even need to do the in lap, just exit after completing your hot lap, then get straight back on to your out lap.

In 15 minutes you should be able to get 3/4 hot laps done. So that's one banker (your first lap) then 3 laps where you push it.

My view on it is that live qualifying is not supposed to simulate hot lapping, it's a completely different mentality. Having said that, if more people would prefer there to be no degradation then that's fine and the change can be made.

I think the bigger issue is people on their out/in laps going slowly and hogging the racing line :P

In Group 3 I used mediums until the last three minutes and then pitted and threw on supersofts for the lap that put me on pole.

Am ok with people going slow as long as they pay attention to the road around them.

GHG said:

I personally don't have too much of an issue with the tire degradation for qualifying. It follows the format that you see in Motorsport:

1. Out lap to warm up tires
2. Hot lap.
3. In lap

In this you don't even need to do the in lap, just exit after completing your hot lap, then get straight back on to your out lap.

In 15 minutes you should be able to get 3/4 hot laps done. So that's one banker (your first lap) then 3 laps where you push it.

My view on it is that live qualifying is not supposed to simulate hot lapping, it's a completely different mentality. Having said that, if more people would prefer there to be no degradation then that's fine and the change can be made.

I think the bigger issue is people on their out/in laps going slowly and hogging the racing line :P

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If you exit rather than doing an in lap does that mean you've changed the tyres in the lobby settings to RSS and so that's what you'd start the race on, no? Unless you can go back in and change them in the lobby settings just before the race starts, but then you might run afoul of the not being past the first sector nonsense and your time might not count anyway, it's a minefield!

Maybe don't turn it off entirely, just back it off to 1-2x or something so you can get a two or three hot laps in per cycle in case you hit traffic on one of them.

JamboGT said:

That is the way it has been since GT PSP in regards to weight reduction, I think maybe the wording has confused some people.

I do know that I would much rather lose 60 kilos than gain 18 odd horsepower so am happy to have been wrong :P

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I think the power had a fair influence on the race tho bud, you were able to turn the engine down to 5 and still keep OGG and I behind you whilst we were running on 1, which meant you had fuel for 8 laps and we only had enough for 5.

So how do people feel about the multiclass racing? I only saw 2 GR4 cars in the race but then I was some way behind the leaders. And what was the story of the GR4 race? (GR3 was pretty much Rutty buggered off on a rapid 2 stop, and Jambo had good pace and a 1 stop for 2nd).

Are you gonna do the scoring for this later GHG? Who ended up with the fastest laps?

I quite like the tyre wear thing, it adds the pressure of getting a good lap time within a limited number of laps (and I spun twice in qualifying!).

Will see, I tested the actual settings and did a 1.54.3 so that was half a second quicker than I qualified last night. I had 2 laps of fuel left at the end so reckon I can run at 4 if I was to do the same strategy. To be honest if we do a rerun I think I will thrown on softs and do 5 lap stints.

ruttyboy said:

If you exit rather than doing an in lap does that mean you've changed the tyres in the lobby settings to RSS and so that's what you'd start the race on, no? Unless you can go back in and change them in the lobby settings just before the race starts, but then you might run afoul of the not being past the first sector nonsense and your time might not count anyway, it's a minefield!

Maybe don't turn it off entirely, just back it off to 1-2x or something so you can get a two or three hot laps in per cycle in case you hit traffic on one of them.

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Yep that's correct and why I ended up starting the race on SS tires, I forgot to switch them over to mediums before the race began!

But it definitely works from the perspective of being able to get as many laps in as possible without needing to change the lobby settings.

DHC-Shannow said:

I think the power had a fair influence on the race tho bud, you were able to turn the engine down to 5 and still keep OGG and I behind you whilst we were running on 1, which meant you had fuel for 8 laps and we only had enough for 5.

So how do people feel about the multiclass racing? I only saw 2 GR4 cars in the race but then I was some way behind the leaders. And what was the story of the GR4 race? (GR3 was pretty much Rutty buggered off on a rapid 2 stop, and Jambo had good pace and a 1 stop for 2nd).

Are you gonna do the scoring for this later GHG? Who ended up with the fastest laps?

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Yep I'll get things scored up tonight just so people can see how they would have done if it was real ;)

JamboGT said:

Will see, I tested the actual settings and did a 1.54.3 so that was half a second quicker than I qualified last night. I had 2 laps of fuel left at the end so reckon I can run at 4 if I was to do the same strategy. To be honest if we do a rerun I think I will thrown on softs and do 5 lap stints.

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The BOP settings will also have an impact on things like tire wear, downforce levels and the engine's torque curve (so you can upshift early and still extract speed). But we will let you off just this once :)

GHG said:

I think the bigger issue is people on their out/in laps going slowly and hogging the racing line :P

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I hope I didn't slow down anyone in the last laps. I ran out of fuel and was too scared to go back to the pits since it was already 9:30, heh

I didn't know you could just park the car, next time I'll do that. I once tried to park on the track side during a championship in Sport Mode and got disqualified :<

I think I passed you on my quick lap in the last corner, you stayed well off line so did a good job as far as I saw.

JamboGT said:

You slid and I knocked you straight then you slid again and I had nowhere to go!

Umm does the weight not relate to the overall weight of the car, eg if 100% = 100kg 105% = 105kg? Am pretty sure that is how it is so my car was actually overweight for the race, am happy to have my points taken off regardless if that race counts, or make sure it is correct the next time.

Yeah if you look at the video here you can see as he reduces the weight reduction number the weight of the vehicle goes down, so while I was 4% up on power I was also 5% up on weight :/

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Yeah you're right in which case the wording is totally wrong as it's classing as a weight reduction so you would have thought the higher that percentage, if you've a high weight reduction then your car would be lighter.

Regarding that incident, yeah there was nowhere for you to go on that he was already sliding across your bonnet. I 'think' the race is going to be a practice, unsure yet. other than the network issues and the fact the Lambo is a twitchy sod, I enjoyed the race. If we can get it all running smoothly should get some good racing on there. Looked nice with all the different liveries out there too.

Just got back into this over the weekend what with the new update and man this continues to just be an exemplary game. So much more than previous GT games it knows what it wants to do (be a game that teaches you to be a race driver) and focuses entirely on that one thing. Love the track day feel of trying really hard to shave down those last fractions of a second before a race, as well as trying to keep the aggression/cleanness balance when you're racing online.

It's good shit y'all.

So, how was the first Resetera race? I read that PSN had issues yesterday again, I hope it didnt ruin your race.

I just got promoted to SR A :D :D :D :D :D

Man, running against E, D and most C players is a pain in the ass, you just cant drive because you wont stay on track. B players are absolute gentleman compared to those, I cant imagine how it will be to run against A and maybe some S players now lol

I did my first livery (well, first I shared) and got a few likes. I customized my 911 just so that my car doesnt look like all other 911 that are in the dayly race.

And just like that I got dumped to SR B again. Thanks for the online bug PD:


in the first seconds you see a car parked in theside of the track... a few seconds later he comes at lightning speed (probably because he had a bad connection) and appears in front of all of us, except that he doesnt just appear there, he comes THROUGH everybody else, so everybody is in a big accident, because of absolutely nothing. fuck. First time that this happened to me. -.-

Here is video of my start at our yesterday race, shit happens (two in a row actually):

prarts said:

Here is video of my start at our yesterday race, shit happens (two in a row actually):

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I've had that happen a few times on various tracks in sport mode when there was a full field. I think that is one of the reasons they dropped the car count for races. Also had it on Suzuka where there was a huge pile up before any car gets released from auto drive.

So what's the next track? Still yamagiwa + miyabi? I'm going to have a practice with medium tyres today, I'll set up an open lobby if anyone wants to join

Sorry, just catching up...

eyeball_kid said:

AFAIK lobbies can't do formal qualifying sessions, that's why we do practice first to let people set lap times. It's not great, but that's all we have to work with.

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Yeah, I just checked. We can't. That's an oversight.

prarts said:

Take a look at JamboGT video, we are the last two guys in pits right before race start. Coincidence?
I went on track only few seconds before start, that was probably it.

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Yeah, I pitted just to be sure I had the right tyre on. Was only in there for, what, all of 20 seconds but like you yeah, back to the pack I went.

prarts said:

Here is video of my start at our yesterday race, shit happens (two in a row actually):

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Look how much time we lost lol

How does PD do it?

Me and a friend were playing the new update last night and noticed that the new cars' model fidelity isn't really as up to scratch as the cars from the base game, anyone else notice that? We though the late-90s Viper's interior is noticeably bad.

moley moley moley said:

So what's the next track? Still yamagiwa + miyabi? I'm going to have a practice with medium tyres today, I'll set up an open lobby if anyone wants to join

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Might jump on around 7 if you are on!

I've created a free run room

JamboGT said:

I think I passed you on my quick lap in the last corner, you stayed well off line so did a good job as far as I saw.

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ah cool, I got distracted when I saw Psycho Mantis hitting a barrier and didn't see you until the very last moment. Good to know I didn't interfere!

moley moley moley said:

So what's the next track? Still yamagiwa + miyabi? I'm going to have a practice with medium tyres today, I'll set up an open lobby if anyone wants to join

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secretely hoping for Monza because I don't like the new Kyoto configuration at all, lol

Sejanoz said:

Probably easier to ban supersofts entirely, so we reduce the risk of people starting the race with the wrong compound. I don't think anyone will use those when racing.
Technically tyre wear in quali has sense: people with softer tyres can be faster, but have fewer laps to set their best time.

Anyone in Gr4 used supersofts yesterday?

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Might be worth to keep them in to try to get the fastest lap time

Motion-control with DS4 is amazing, will never go back to analog stick after this.

So me and fifanutz couldn't do more than 3 laps on 7x tyre deg on yamagiwa , have opened a new lobby with 3x called resetera, add me as a friend if you want in, manstrokemole

prarts said:

Here is video of my start at our yesterday race, shit happens (two in a row actually):

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Yeah, weirdly that's not what it looked like from my perspective at all. The guy in front of me was barely moving and then I saw a car pass me a few seconds in. I think some of us were desynced from each other and effectively stuck in a different race. Probably due to the network issues we were having.

Sejanoz said:

secretely hoping for Monza because I don't like the new Kyoto configuration at all, lol

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Not much of a fan of Kyoto Y+M either, I raced it three times on the daily last night. The new turns in there just don't flow well. At least they seem to have fixed that elevation/banking change on the slow right-hander coming from the downhill straight. It used to unsettle my car almost every time I went through there.

Yeah I can see the combined track being horrible to tyres, it has 3 very fast left handers that'll beat the hell out of the front right tyre. How bad it is will probably depend on the car, watching jambo's footage from last night, his Merc is quite balanced but heavier on front wear while my McLaren was worse on the rears. I love that track tho, way better than Nurb GP ;-)

Abandoned trolley Was your Huracãn set to the BOP values for that impromptu session coz that flying lap was ridiculously fast? I'm guessing you were on SS

I love that track, obviously I'm still terrible at it though :D fastest lap was still a full second and a bit behind fifanutz

Also could see trolleys Lambo is hella squirrelly, unlucky dude!

He's GR3 isn't he?

Oh okay thank good for that i put on SS for last lap and was almost 4 secs down

moley moley moley said:

I love that track, obviously I'm still terrible at it though :D fastest lap was still a full second and a bit behind fifanutz

Also could see trolleys Lambo is hella squirrelly, unlucky dude!

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Not a fan of the combined track love Yami though

Fifanutz said:

Abandoned trolley Was your Huracãn set to the BOP values for that impromptu session coz that flying lap was ridiculously fast? I'm guessing you were on SS

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Yes BOP and SS obviously I'm in the GR3 which is where the pace comes from, bit it's still a pain at low speeds.

Haha! I've just gone and won my first ever race in the gr3 daily at that track! :D

Got the pole and FL too!

I take it back, I'm brilliant at this game .

moley moley moley
congratulations mate, you scored triple there! Fantastic feeling isn't it?
GTSport is that kind of a game, where hard work and dedication pays off - sooner or later.

what's up with the first daily race?
started last and finished 6th o_O
everyone in the same car, super easy track where you basically never have to let go off the gas yet I had no problems overtaking them.
Is it because I had traction control on 0?


there's just something magical when you learn the track and approach a corner fast, downshift, hear all the cracks and noises from the gearbox(audi r8 <3) and then nail the corner

in general the gameplay is so fucking smooth, it really is fun just doing time trials alone, even with a pad.

Made a new livery and went for a reality check:

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Can't find the same time of day though

Sejanoz said:

Made a new livery and went for a reality check:

Can't find the same time of day though

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Wow, nice! That one's really close. How do you typically find your logos? For the Ferrari I did, some I found SVGs for, some I had to trace or rebuild, and some just weren't worth it.

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Made a new livery and went for a reality check:

Can't find the same time of day though

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That's incredible! Nice job.

Man, great work on that livery!

Just an idea but how about the winner of each round (both GR3 and GR4) loses 1 point of power and gains 1 point in weight? So as the season goes on the races get tighter - in a way it's punishing those who do well but it also means closer competition and leveling the BoP...

So, as I said earlier, I did my first livery today in the morning. Included a Firestone tyre because of the red line and also a few firestone logos on the sides and front of the car.

Now, on Facebook, I just got a suggested publication pop up on my feed. From which page? Firestone. Seriously, how do these fuckers get this? My PSN is tied to my Facebook account, but is GTSport uploads linked to any of it? I never searched anything about tyres, specially about Firestone in my entire life on the internet. Btw, I did my livery alone so I wasn't even staying the word out loud (yup, its quite common to get "ads" that by pure coincidence are related to words I talked near a computer/phone). This is creepy.