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Mr. Robot - Season 3 - Wednesdays on USA
- Thread starter RatskyWatsky
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I like that they retroactively improved some ideas in S2 with the episode. It was clever, and well done. Can't do it too often. I think it'd be a little too on the nose if it was the opener.
I would say it's a return to S1 form. So, good to excellent, so far. The show benefits from binging it all at once, especially S2, but the pace seems a lot better for S3.
I think the first episode did a good job of setting up expectations for the rest of the season and dissuaded any apprehensions people might've had after season 2.
It might've not have been as satisfying to end the first episode of the season with where we left off last season. (And it's not like we didn't know Elliot was going to make it.)
Just caught up and this episode was fantastic. I like Tyrell as a character and the whole gun sequences and fate around that with the gun jam got me hooked. Such a captivating episode that kept my interest all the way though.
Really digging this season so far. Mr Robot is my favorite show on air at the moment.
Really digging this season so far. Mr Robot is my favorite show on air at the moment.
Glad i saw this thread, I just binge watched Season 1 in the past 2 days.....this show is phenomenal, did not see the twist coming for me in episode 9....
Will you be loyal to me
*sniffs some coke*
Such a great moment. I also thought the FBI guy was dodgy too so glad I was right on the money.
Yeah, although TBQH I'm not quite sure what to make of the, as you said it, brazen nature of the, well, current affairs topics. Don't get me wrong, "Don't be political!" is one of the more stupid requests of Mr. Robot, but I felt that with S1 and S2, and wasn't this... on the nose. Not only the Trump stuff, also that "Iran? Should be brown enough." I mean, it's probably true (I don't live in the US and don't want to infer too much from the outside), but to me, S1 and S2 handled this a bit more subtle. Or maybe I'm just remembering wrong.
The Alex Jones analogue was just as out there in S2, so it makes sense that he can push whatever narrative Whiterose needs. The show also included Obama and is moving along a timeline, so they have to include Trump somehow.
If you notice, the hotel Tyrell stays at is called Fukan Hotel. In Chinese, Fukan literally means "to overlook."
So I knew he glorified Elliot I really wasn't expecting him to be in love. Not complaining but exactly how I expected that to go.
Oddly enough my mom decided to watch the show for the first time with this episode and she absolutely loved it. Going to see if she wants to watch it from the start.
Oddly enough my mom decided to watch the show for the first time with this episode and she absolutely loved it. Going to see if she wants to watch it from the start.
That's where I disagree, it's way more effective in season 3 than it would have been in season 2. As the audience goes through the journey with Elliot, we see that his sense of reality is easily manipulated in two ways: 1) The Prison intentionally reimagined as an inner-city-esque neighbourhood as a coping mechanism, and 2) Tyrell Wellick entering the cab after being told by Mr. Robot that he shot him (and this stems from his initial disbelief of the phone call in prison and being convinced that he was murdered). The first thing he thinks upon seeing Tyrell is that he isn't real, and it isn't until the 2nd part of the finale when he thinks he added 2 and 2 to get the conclusion that Tyrell is Mr. Robot's way of distracting Elliot from realizing that Stage 2 will execute.
If you put the episode in season 2, you break a lot of plot points including Elliot questioning Tyrell's existence (which in turn makes the "twist" worthless as people were debating whether Tyrell was alive or dead), and then you're stuck with concluding at the part where python ended, which means a LOT of condensing that would come at the expense of season 2's storytelling, which was fundamental to getting to where we are in season 3. By that I mean the cerebral storytelling post-5/9 hack meant that things had to slow down. Elliot was in prison for a fixed amount of time, which means that fsociety isn't going to be as effective as before. And the threat of FBI and Dark Army looming means that the group doesn't feel as invincible as they did in season 1. There was also planning for Stage 2 going on, which meant setting up the femtocell to exploit a backdoor into ECorp's network. In other words, I know season 2 gets a lot of flak for being slow-paced, but I think it's for the better considering season 3 can now focus on the sense of urgency that season 1 had Elliot stopping Stage 2/Mr. Robot making sure Stage 2 goes off (compared to fsociety making sure 5/9 happened in S1).
I couldn't say it better myself. Season two was needed to be the way it is to show Elliot and other key people and how they understand and see things. That narrative and all of the key players on the stage and how things will go has elevated season 3 to be the way it is. I love this shows creative direction.
Out of curiosity, is anyone else conflicted with the diminishing of Elliot's importance? I have full faith in the show and in for the ride but season 3 seems to be humbling Mr.Robot now. Before in season 1+2, Elliot was seen as the crux of the operation- if Elliot was too drugged out to do Steel Mountain or if Elliot isn't there to do phase 2 then that was the end of the plan. In the newest season, it feels like Elliot is more of a pawn now. I understand this is done by the scenes with Whiterose that give scope to the series on a macro level. Whiterose isn't aiming at a corporation (E.Corp.) but to topple entire countries and it makes Elliot's goal seem small in comparison.
On one side, I understand this insignificance and enjoy seeing Elliot as just a cog in a machine now, arrogant and unknowing of his true purpose. But, I kind of miss the myth or superhero effect Mr. Robot had during past seasons when he seemed to be the mastermind of the whole operation and didn't know it. Now, I feel if Mr.Robot/Elliot died, Whiterose would just find another poor sap to do the hack for him and nothing would really change.
On one side, I understand this insignificance and enjoy seeing Elliot as just a cog in a machine now, arrogant and unknowing of his true purpose. But, I kind of miss the myth or superhero effect Mr. Robot had during past seasons when he seemed to be the mastermind of the whole operation and didn't know it. Now, I feel if Mr.Robot/Elliot died, Whiterose would just find another poor sap to do the hack for him and nothing would really change.
I'm back on board with this show, the last episode in particular was excellent. Bobby Cannavale's character is a perfect blend of ridiculous and menacing.
It's less that he's diminished in importance and more that Elliiot/Mr. Robot becoming two completely split personalities changes the way they have to approach the character.
He's great.
When I stopped my HBO subscription the Resubscribe image on all the HBO channels was a really derpy picture of him from a concert in Vinyl. It was so annoying to look at I assumed I'd never enjoy him in anything.
There's an interesting reddit post looking at the big S1 dream sequence, and they think it may be actually be a general series outline (very much disguised, of course) and I think they're right.
What's interesting is that it may also suggest that the most important character and relationship for each season was part of the outline.
S1: Elliot and Mr. Robot
S2: Darlene
S3: Tyrell
S4: Angela
What's interesting is that it may also suggest that the most important character and relationship for each season was part of the outline.
S1: Elliot and Mr. Robot
S2: Darlene
S3: Tyrell
S4: Angela
What do you mean by importance? Elliot and Mr. Robot are essentially fractured in this season compared to previous seasons, but they still occupy the same body, so everyone seems to think that Elliot is behind everything. The only reason (and this is left to interpretation) Mr. Robot wanted Elliot involved in 5/9 and Stage 2 is because he wouldn't be able to explain away dissociating behind Elliot's back without him realizing that something was amiss. I would say the skill aspect of hacking also plays a role, but if Mr. Robot and Elliot are the same, then those skills are intertwined, so it wouldn't really matter. As for Steel Mountain, remember that this was Elliot's alternate plan because he was against Mr. Robot using Comet Electric to blow up the gas pipeline in front of Steel Mountain (and as it turns out, his plan was highly efficient considering he and the Dark Army destroyed redundant tapes with just a Raspberry Pi and a hacked climate control firmware). Not to mention, Elliot was largely "invisible" with regards to Stage 2 and yet that didn't stop Mr. Robot from hijacking his femtocell hack originally intended to steal FBI information, to create a backdoor into ECorp's network, thus allowing for the batteries to be hacked.
Though I agree that Elliot has become a pawn, which makes sense considering the show always makes reference to the 1% of the 1% ultrapowerful people playing as god in the world. Whiterose is intentionally using Elliot and fsociety as a means to an end (of course being whatever the hadron collider is for, which I think is to create a sort of supercomputer that allows for reality to be simulated. I mean this is a sort of matrix-style where people plug themselves in and enter a new world), and I think Elliot is getting closer to realizing that, while Mr. Robot is so hell-bent on finishing off ECorp that he doesn't realize he's being manipulated. I like that idea because it shows that no matter how much of a revolutionary/anarchist/etc. someone is, they most likely are getting played by someone else higher up on the chain.
Watched all of Season 2 this week and have finally caught myself up in Season 3. I'm blown away by this show and am pretty sad I can't binge watch it anymore. At the beginning of the series I felt like the show's greatest flaw was how transparent it was that Elliot was Mr Robot, I was floored by just how well they executed on it though, when Darlene was revealed to be Elliot's sister, my jaw was on the floor. I always was a very meh at what seemed like the glorification of real life groups like Anonymous, etc, but as the show progressed we all know how that turned out. Christian Slater and Rami Malek are phenomenal actors and as cheesy as this sounds, I want to emulate Darlene's aesthetic so so bad.
I haven't gotten a single thing yet, outside of the script page one for obvious reasons.
Wish they'd just randomly give out stuff to members.
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