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Limited Run Games |OT| Sweet XOXO for Digital to Physical Media
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Woof, my personal Twitter is not news. Might lock it soon if this keeps up...
I was more referring to there being a crap ton of releases from us, AAA and rivals. Definitely, acknowledge that we are mostly to blame, but even I'm broke keeping up with normal releases like DBZF, MHW, SotC, Dissidia Nt, etc...
Regarding Friday's sale, it was actually a success for us. We've already started conditioning ourselves to not sell out instantly since that probably will be the case on Switch with the amount we are printing.
I can say for sure though that Vita sales are definitely going down though. Even with bigger titles. We have some huge ones coming out and a few localizations coming but Vita is definitely a shrinking market. I keep getting messages from previous Vita fans saying they are going to buy our Switch stuff instead, going forward. I've even seen journalists who claimed to be Vita diehards switch to the Switch. We are going to keep pushing it as long as we can but we can see why others have dropped it. =(
I was more referring to there being a crap ton of releases from us, AAA and rivals. Definitely, acknowledge that we are mostly to blame, but even I'm broke keeping up with normal releases like DBZF, MHW, SotC, Dissidia Nt, etc...
Regarding Friday's sale, it was actually a success for us. We've already started conditioning ourselves to not sell out instantly since that probably will be the case on Switch with the amount we are printing.
I can say for sure though that Vita sales are definitely going down though. Even with bigger titles. We have some huge ones coming out and a few localizations coming but Vita is definitely a shrinking market. I keep getting messages from previous Vita fans saying they are going to buy our Switch stuff instead, going forward. I've even seen journalists who claimed to be Vita diehards switch to the Switch. We are going to keep pushing it as long as we can but we can see why others have dropped it. =(
I was pretty big on the Vita but honestly the Switch has a bigger screen and nicer controls (minus the d-pad of course) so I can't help but feel like the Switch is where I want my portable money to go now. The Vita had a great run, but I'm ready to move on. I recently added on to my BloodStained Kickstarter package and I selected the Switch instead of the Vita. Considering how staunchly I supported the Vita for years, that was when I realized I'm done buying for it. In fact, when my copy of Skullgirls arrives I'm not even 100% sure I'll hang on to it now.
I encourage you guys to recognize this growing trend and plan accordingly. Not saying drop the Vita entirely, but I think you have to be picky about what you select because you might find the audience is rapidly shrinking.
That's a shame, love my Vita. I am looking forward to your switch releases as well though!
Any news on when Blind boxes ship?
As long as sales keep backing your Vita releases, why bother with people saying they'll buy your Switch releases instead? There hasn't been a single multiplatform release (or even Vita exclusive) that took longer to sell on the Vita in comparison to the PS4 counterpart (or even other PS4 exclusives).
I mean the first thing he said is that Vita sales are slowing down. They have all the numbers and statistics.
So, is PS4 a shrinking market, too? Vita and PS4 releases both sell at about the same rate, but the focus on Vita collector's market shrinking is weird when sales match the PS4 version. And the PS4 is definitely not a shrinking market. There's clearly other issues leading to the slow decline of sales, which LRG (or their personal Twitter) attributes to market saturation, instead of looking to the 2 years of issues they've had.
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Have you read my post? I said they're selling at the same pace, both PS4 and Vita releases. Every single release so far, including the recent ones, have been like that. If it's taking more than a weekend to sell out a Vita title, the same thing is happening to the PS4 release.
I mean, you've yet to have a game not sell out. I know your Vita print runs are smaller than PS4 (at least in this instance) but that's not exactly a new thing. And judging by the fact that both PS4 & Vita Bit.Trip sold out within a few minutes of each other, it seems like you have the numbers pretty well worked out for now (and we're a long way off minimum order quantities).
You've got the final numbers for this so I guess at the end of the day you know better than me, but this is the second or third time I've seen a claim of Vita being less viable for you guys backed up by claims of "xyz fan told us they're going to be buying on Switch now". I mean, you should take your customer's feedback on board but publicly airing a claim like this in a thread where there are still a good number of Vita fans who are buying a vast majority of your releases seems a bit... odd.
I realise Vita sales will inevitably slow down and reach a point where they're no longer viable for you, but I just don't see the benefit of openly saying things like this now. You guys have a good thing going here - despite the fact that a few fans have been burned by some of your decision making, you've still got a large dedicated fanbase who are turning out to buy every release. Especially on Vita - which I know is slowly, but the numbers you're choosing are still selling out just as fast on PS4.
Given that you've just said in this post that you've got bigger titles and localizations coming out, shouldn't you be trying to energize the Vita fanbase in threads like this to keep buying from you? Get them hyped that this round of games might've been less exciting but really highlight the fact that there's some brilliant releases coming up? I realise it's been negative in here prior to you posting but furthering that just seems to do no-one any benefit at all.
(And in the nicest possible way, I know it's Doug's personal Twitter thread but it's largely used to talk about Limited Run Games stuff and even the twitter handle is "LimitedRunDoug". If there's a LRG-related tweet on there, people are going to talk about it, just like they have been doing for the past two years).
Still, I'm going to keep doing what I've always been doing which is buying the games from you which interest me the most, solely on Vita. There haven't been any since the Steamworld games (and how quickly that was forgotten - isn't that a shining example of Vita fanbase still being there for your releases that two year-late physical releases sold separately for $25 each managed to shift 6k copies between them in a relatively quick amount of time) but there's about 15 upcoming releases I know I'm hyped for.
This is what we are trying to communicate, this mentality. If people are "cherry picking" Vita releases then we are definitely going to slow down on signing new Vita games. The MOQ is too high to take chances with Vita as well as the COGS. We have already had to drop our run sizes to what is manageable and some Vita releases take longer to sell out than PS4. You combine that with Vita "die-hards" telling me they are now on Switch it makes absolute sense why other companies stopped supporting it. Our goal is to do it until there is either A. No market, or B. Sony says stop. I love my Vita and still play it more than Switch right now, so if the true Vita fans keep buying from us then everything is okay! One of the games I signed has a huge run but it's something no one would have ever thought we'd pull off. So I have faith that Vita will last at least until the end of this year, optimistically until next year, but statistic wise it's not looking good which saddens me.
If you fix your business practices, there is no reason vita releases can't continue to thrive.
There are not too many vita titles deserving of a huge run, I doubt it is phantom breaker.
I usually stand by the sidelines in these threads, but come on. You expect people to buy every release just because it's s Vita release? You know, people do have "taste" and "preferences" with ALL releases regardless of platform or who releases them. I love me some Vita, but I don't buy every Vita release just because it's on Vita or it's Limited. Same goes for PS4 and same will go for Switch.
If I'm understanding this wrong, please elaborate on what you mean, because what the hell?
Yes, I understand demand is dying out for Vita, and it's just about run its course, but I don't get the "cherry picking" here..
Kinda shows LRG mentality, doesn't it... they don't give two shits about the consumer
shhh. let me dream.
(If you've been in this thread long enough, I'm the one user who always asks them about Phantom Breaker)
If people keep selling their Vitas and moving on to Switch then that's a reason...
No, you are wrong, if we didn't give a shit we wouldn't keep supporting the Vita. Super false.
I read your post, my statement was just based on what Limited Run Games said about Vita sales slowing down. It's their business, I'd assume they have the numbers and would have a better grasp on sale numbers and trends than consumers.
Seconded. I'd buy a copy on any platform LRG decided to publish this on.
User has been warned: attacking a developer and trying to explain them their own business.
I call it how I see it... Every vita title has sold out so far. But yet you guys continually bitch and moan. Must be exhausting.
Lrg see the sales patterns and statistics we do not
Give them a break, at least someone is releasing these games and I hope they get some big wish list titles soon
Give them a break, at least someone is releasing these games and I hope they get some big wish list titles soon
I was always curious about this. I have so far assumed, that most clients for your business are collectors, but still people that cherry pick their releases of interest. Your reply, however, implies that a bigger chunk of your business is actually revenue from clients that go for a whole set - buying every release on a given platform, that is. Is that true?
They sold 2300 vita copies of the bit trip.. THE BIT TRIP... imagine if they sold a game worthwhile... there have been a couple but most are bottom tier trash that only sold due to low print numbers.
I really appreciate that we have someone from LRG take the time to post here, but I suspect that will stop soon if he keeps being treated disrespectfully.
We all have opinions about how LRG should operate and what makes the most sense. Maybe some of those opinions are clouded by personal bias. Regardless, it's constructive to voice those opinions here, especially when we know that they will be read/responded to, but I feel like the tone that a lot of you are using has started becoming rude and dismissive.
Just my opinion.
We all have opinions about how LRG should operate and what makes the most sense. Maybe some of those opinions are clouded by personal bias. Regardless, it's constructive to voice those opinions here, especially when we know that they will be read/responded to, but I feel like the tone that a lot of you are using has started becoming rude and dismissive.
Just my opinion.
Just exhausting dealing with you, so I'm done.
We definitely do benefit from full set collectors! BIT.TRIP did well, in the end, I guess I just expected everyone who bought Runner 2 to come back and grab the first one.
Thank you for this!
This was one of my favorite forums to visit but now I dread refreshing this thread.
I don't want to see you driven away and I've been a huge fan, the concern was obviously a dip in quality but I know these are planned way I. Advance and I'm sure everyone will shut up with some quality big titles in the year to come
I feel like that if it came out closer to when Runner 2, it would've sold faster. That's just me though.
Can't see any reason to go after LRG with expressing concern about the Vita. Trying to balance things so that you eventually bow out of the platform as the audience does, without crates of unsold carts, sounds like it'd be a hard road to walk.
The BIT.TRIP as "bottom tier trash", good lord.
The BIT.TRIP as "bottom tier trash", good lord.
I completely agree. It's one thing to voice your opinion and disagree with them but some of these replies are way too hostile.
For me personally I didn't pick up The Bit Trip on vita because I had heard from several people that performance of the port was not good and at thiis point in my life I just cant justify spending 30 bucks on a poorly optimized game. That being said I am still a big supporter of what LRG does and am excited to pick up more vita games from you all this year.
Working on it! Maybe....
Just signed a Vita exclusive today actually.
My birthdays in April, any of the following would be nice lol
Hellblade , night in the woods, Furi switch
April 25th to be precise
I've barely posted here for a while because of how hostile it's been. Mecho Tales freak outs (didn't buy it... didn't interest me, like many other games), and just everything else lately. I'm just going to do what I've always done: buy the stuff that interests me. Just so many pissed off people, and only the ones with missing packages/items are the ones I can sympathize with.
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You have received a warning for Attacking a developer and trying to explain them their own business. for 1 points.
Haha.
Haha.
Yeah, I miss the days when we celebrated all these great physical releases happening thanks to LRG and dreamed about future greatness. I'm of the opinion that if you don't like something then don't buy it and if you compulsion that you need to buy everything then seek professional help, not kidding. If you continue to buy things you absolutely detest and are angry about it then that's a personal problem and you need to realize that.
I don't post a lot here anymore but I look forward to shooting games and high quality indies. Dying to play Senko no ronde 2 and I hope we can get a yay/nay for Battle Garegga before I can no longer resist the Korean version. I'll also buy Sky Force Anniversary next week. Keep bringing the good stuff, LRG boys. I'm incredibly happy to have games like Firewatch, Nex Machina, Astebreed, New 'n' Tasty, Shadow Complex, Shantae x2, Furi, Jotun and more on my shelf thanks to your efforts. Some of the best games of the generation in many cases, physical thanks to LRG. That is awesome.
I don't post a lot here anymore but I look forward to shooting games and high quality indies. Dying to play Senko no ronde 2 and I hope we can get a yay/nay for Battle Garegga before I can no longer resist the Korean version. I'll also buy Sky Force Anniversary next week. Keep bringing the good stuff, LRG boys. I'm incredibly happy to have games like Firewatch, Nex Machina, Astebreed, New 'n' Tasty, Shadow Complex, Shantae x2, Furi, Jotun and more on my shelf thanks to your efforts. Some of the best games of the generation in many cases, physical thanks to LRG. That is awesome.
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I just don't get the energy people put towards things they don't like. Go and put it towards something you do like.
Please keep doing what you can Doug, because many of us do appreciate it. My Vita shelf would have a lot fewer games on it without your efforts. People just expect too much. If you never released another Vita game, I'd still think you did a hell of a job supporting it, better than much larger publishers. Each release still feels cool, to get a cart of a game that most likely wouldn't exist with out you guys. That's pretty damn cool.
Please keep doing what you can Doug, because many of us do appreciate it. My Vita shelf would have a lot fewer games on it without your efforts. People just expect too much. If you never released another Vita game, I'd still think you did a hell of a job supporting it, better than much larger publishers. Each release still feels cool, to get a cart of a game that most likely wouldn't exist with out you guys. That's pretty damn cool.
This is really important and I bolded it. I see more and more selling off entire sets of their games (or at least a good portion of them), and that is something I've had to do in the past. (Real) OCPD is tough to deal with, and I've had to tell myself many times to literally calm myself down. I've given myself more basic "rules" to make things more managable, and cut down on my collections. My problem is that I like too many things. Overtime, some fandoms have slowed down, so I stopped spending as much and sold some things. I've learned to prioritize, especially with trying to handle a budget, as I've made many excuses to myself with the uhhh past spending problems :x
Now that I've made changes I'm much more calmer. I don't have that nagging voice in my head tell me how much "I need thing". I've lost enough sleep over such thoughts :/ In the end, it's all a personal choice.
I never understood why people get so heated over a release they don't care for either but I can only guess it's those "full set" collectors. I guess it's a no win for them.
For me if there is something I don't like then I pass on that release.
On the other hand the comments from LRG seem to point that "cherry pickers" are the reasons behind a certain platform not continuing on. I just can't for the life of me understand this mentality.
LRG should be proud of what they have done and their releases, but just because someone doesn't collect a full set don't hang them out to dry either.
For me if there is something I don't like then I pass on that release.
On the other hand the comments from LRG seem to point that "cherry pickers" are the reasons behind a certain platform not continuing on. I just can't for the life of me understand this mentality.
LRG should be proud of what they have done and their releases, but just because someone doesn't collect a full set don't hang them out to dry either.
It's just the vocal minority striking again. Don't throw the baby (this forum) out with the bathwater (the salt you can sometime find here) ;)
Btw I've received a confirmation that you got my Loyalty Tickets, that was fast !
Less excited about Furi Switch because we've already got a PS4 release, but the formers are a resounding yes *_*
They're not on the Homepage anymore, so that's it, they're gone :)
Btw I've received a confirmation that you got my Loyalty Tickets, that was fast !
Less excited about Furi Switch because we've already got a PS4 release, but the formers are a resounding yes *_*
They're not on the Homepage anymore, so that's it, they're gone :)
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