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Wapcaplet

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Oct 31, 2017
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Couldnt they hire a third party like playisn games or devolver etc? Can ags titles be applied to unity?
They used to have another company do Android ports for them, but that company went out of business, and Dave has said they haven't found anyone else to do it at a cost that makes financial sense for them. Devolver might be a good choice since they published Dropsy, but at this point I think Dave prefers to stay independent.

There's no compatibility between AGS and Unity, AFAIK.
 

Panther2103

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't know why but I really want a modern era Point and Click FMV like Phantasmagoria or a game like Sanitarium. Those games always had the weirdest atmosphere and I guess I haven't kept up enough to know if there's anything that has come out like those.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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They used to have another company do Android ports for them, but that company went out of business, and Dave has said they haven't found anyone else to do it at a cost that makes financial sense for them. Devolver might be a good choice since they published Dropsy, but at this point I think Dave prefers to stay independent.

There's no compatibility between AGS and Unity, AFAIK.
I'm surprised that Devolver is putting out The Red Strings Club as their forays into Point and Click have been somewhat disasterous. Gods Will Be Watching was hyped up and sold well but is just so so bad. And Dropsy is great, but I get the sense that it didn't sell well.
 
Nov 6, 2017
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Was The Raven bad or something? This trailer doesn't look awful but it surely doesn't look that great.

The jist of it is, the original came came out in 2013, so a remaster was not needed, but the big issue is that they never actually fixed the major technical issues and tons of bugs the game had so after 5 years they decide to re-release it under the "remaster" name. Its a huge middle finger basically. I dont know wtf is THQ Nordic doing or if they had any hands on this. The last remake/remaster was Black Mirror and its shit from what I heard.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/233370/The_Raven__Legacy_of_a_Master_Thief/ The first trailer is the same as above, without the "remaster" name lol.
 

Panther2103

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Oct 27, 2017
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The jist of it is, the original came came out in 2013, so a remaster was not needed, but the big issue is that they never actually fixed the major technical issues and tons of bugs the game had so after 5 years they decide to re-release it under the "remaster" name. Its a huge middle finger basically. I dont know wtf is THQ Nordic doing or if they had any hands on this. The last remake/remaster was Black Mirror and its shit from what I heard.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/233370/The_Raven__Legacy_of_a_Master_Thief/ The first trailer is the same as above, without the "remaster" name lol.

Oh wow, that's a bit weird. "Remastering" a game from 4 years ago seems a bit odd especially if it looks almost no different. Weird. I wonder what's going on there.
 

Wapcaplet

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Oct 31, 2017
88
I'm surprised that Devolver is putting out The Red Strings Club as their forays into Point and Click have been somewhat disasterous. Gods Will Be Watching was hyped up and sold well but is just so so bad. And Dropsy is great, but I get the sense that it didn't sell well.
Steamspy says Dropsy's numbers are above 150,000, but it was in a Humble Bundle, so take that number with two grains of salt.

Jay Tholen (Dropsy's creator) used to post on the old forum. It doesn't look like he made the leap over here.

Oh wow, that's a bit weird. "Remastering" a game from 4 years ago seems a bit odd especially if it looks almost no different. Weird. I wonder what's going on there.
The original is still on my wishlist! I wasn't in any rush to pick it up because of the bugs.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Booyah~
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Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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King Art Games is lucky THQ Nordic gave them another chance after they disappointingly messed up the chance to bring back the Black Mirror series :(
 

ja2ke

Campo Santo
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Nov 3, 2017
210
Seattle, WA
The Waypoint story on Police Quest 4 is a good read if folks haven't checked it out yet. It's about the internal fallout and public reaction to Ken Williams bringing in the former chief of the LAPD (the one who presided over Rodney King and the LA riots in the early 90s and then refused to resign in what seems like the douchiest way possible) as the new celebrity cop for Police Quest. https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...cop-made-the-most-reactionary-game-of-the-90s I didn't really follow Sierra games growing up and was just young enough to not really grasp the entirety of what was happening with the LAPD when the Rodney King video came out, so I had no idea about any of these connections. It's a pretty crazy intersection of classic gaming and American culture at large.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sounds quite tasteless and insensitive, to put it nicely. Did this get bad reviews because of it? Would be interesting to contrast how it was received back then, with people today who say gaming should be "free of politics".
 

Cecil

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Waypoint story on Police Quest 4 is a good read if folks haven't checked it out yet. It's about the internal fallout and public reaction to Ken Williams bringing in the former chief of the LAPD (the one who presided over Rodney King and the LA riots in the early 90s and then refused to resign in what seems like the douchiest way possible) as the new celebrity cop for Police Quest. https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...cop-made-the-most-reactionary-game-of-the-90s I didn't really follow Sierra games growing up and was just young enough to not really grasp the entirety of what was happening with the LAPD when the Rodney King video came out, so I had no idea about any of these connections. It's a pretty crazy intersection of classic gaming and American culture at large.

Me and my brothers had Police Quest IV, but didn't really play it. It wasn't an especially user friendly game.

But I did play the first Police Quest game quite a lot, and I still think a lot adventure games would benefit from being as grounded as that game was.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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United Kingdom
Raven is good for the first act and terrible after that.

I played Day of the Tentacle remastered yesterday. As a kid it took me weeks to beat. Finished it in 5 hours yesterday. I was a dumb kid.
 

Wapcaplet

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Oct 31, 2017
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The Waypoint story on Police Quest 4 is a good read if folks haven't checked it out yet. It's about the internal fallout and public reaction to Ken Williams bringing in the former chief of the LAPD (the one who presided over Rodney King and the LA riots in the early 90s and then refused to resign in what seems like the douchiest way possible) as the new celebrity cop for Police Quest. https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...cop-made-the-most-reactionary-game-of-the-90s I didn't really follow Sierra games growing up and was just young enough to not really grasp the entirety of what was happening with the LAPD when the Rodney King video came out, so I had no idea about any of these connections. It's a pretty crazy intersection of classic gaming and American culture at large.
I was a Sierra fan but didn't own any Police Quest games - the whole police procedural aspect didn't seem interesting to me at the time. I do remember when Sierra trumpeted the Gates connection when PQ4 was announced, and having lived through the LA riots, I found it to be a questionable partnership, but I didn't pay that much attention to it. I don't recall seeing any gaming mags pointing out how awful Gates was (the note about Computer Gaming World ducking the issue appears to confirm that), but that was probably more about the rah-rah state of game journalism. Internet communities were pretty much only Usenet message boards and e-mail lists in 1993.

The stuff about Ken Williams being a Rush Limbaugh fan and thinking that Sierra gamers didn't read the NYT are new to me. I need to reread my copy of Hackers to see what else I don't remember about him.

Oh, and Josh Mandel is awesome. I wish he got more acclaim for the work he's done.
 
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ja2ke

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Nov 3, 2017
210
Seattle, WA
Raven is good for the first act and terrible after that.

I played Day of the Tentacle remastered yesterday. As a kid it took me weeks to beat. Finished it in 5 hours yesterday. I was a dumb kid.

That's the magic of 25 more years of being alive, growing up, and playing dozens of adventure games between then and now. Also you probably had a bunch of it memorized? (Adventure game puzzles somehow stick really firmly in the brain in my experience.) I do wonder if those old games were actually way harder and more involved than new ones, or if what's really in play is that I was 12 when DOTT came out and I'm 37 now.
 

TeenageFBI

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's the magic of 25 more years of being alive, growing up, and playing dozens of adventure games between then and now. Also you probably had a bunch of it memorized? (Adventure game puzzles somehow stick really firmly in the brain in my experience.)
I've been playing DOTT on iPad recently and I can confirm this. I remember all sorts of stuff even though I haven't played in in ages.

I love playing LucasArts games on an iPad, BTW. It's a shame that we're limited to the few games DoubleFine converted.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,481
United Kingdom
That's the magic of 25 more years of being alive, growing up, and playing dozens of adventure games between then and now. Also you probably had a bunch of it memorized? (Adventure game puzzles somehow stick really firmly in the brain in my experience.) I do wonder if those old games were actually way harder and more involved than new ones, or if what's really in play is that I was 12 when DOTT came out and I'm 37 now.
I did remember a few solutions, but unlike, say, the original Monkey Island which I played multiple times as a kid, I hadn't touched DOTT in over 20 years since I beat it the first time, so it was mostly 'fresh' to me.

I definitely picked up on the subtle hints of a lot of puzzles much better at the ripe age of 27.

In general, I think adventure games are mostly easier now (such as Wadget Eye/Daedalic). I actually think the genre has found the right mixture of challenge without stopping you momentum every 2 minutes for an age. That's always the worst in the adventure game.

I expect like most, I want to use my brain and feel challenged, but then work it out and feel smart and keep things rolling. If a game has me looking at a guide for puzzle after puzzle it loses me now.
 

Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
640
UAE
Do you guys consider horror adventure games that have light action elements like the Silent Hill or Clock Tower series as adventure titles too? That's one question I always wondered about as a horror gaming fan who loves adventure games too.
 

ja2ke

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Nov 3, 2017
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Do you guys consider horror adventure games that have light action elements like the Silent Hill or Clock Tower series as adventure titles too? That's one question I always wondered about as a horror gaming fan who loves adventure games too.
Personally, despite the puzzles, exploration, and narrative-driven motivation to continue, I'm worried every moment that I'm playing Silent Hill that a game-system-driven enemy is going to kill me, so it doesn't occupy the same space in my brain as adventure games.

(But you're right that I do enjoy Silent Hill and that sort of game for many of the same reasons as adventure games! I'm just in a totally different headspace while doing so.)
 

Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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UAE
Personally, despite the puzzles, exploration, and narrative-driven motivation to continue, I'm worried every moment that I'm playing Silent Hill that a game-system-driven enemy is going to kill me, so it doesn't occupy the same space in my brain as adventure games.

(But you're right that I do enjoy Silent Hill and that sort of game for many of the same reasons as adventure games! I'm just in a totally different headspace while doing so.)

That's a good point Jake - I still find it hard to narrow down though. Look at a series like Penumbra or Amnesia, they feels like adventure games with the threat of death.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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RE and Silent Hill are Horror Adventure games in my book.
I don't get the 'survival' though. Like if you told me they were Action Adventure games I'd believe you, but where does survival factor in?
 

Code Artisan

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Oct 30, 2017
805
Just finished Broken Sword 2. The later chapters felt rushed and
the epilogue is a crappy 3 seconds cut scene
The game is still solid overall and the puzzles are well sensed. Voice acting is good.
 

Santar

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Oct 27, 2017
4,967
Norway
RE and Silent Hill are Horror Adventure games in my book.
I don't get the 'survival' though. Like if you told me they were Action Adventure games I'd believe you, but where does survival factor in?
To me the survival part is the fact that you have to make do with very little resources. You have to make every bullet and health item count to survive.
 
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Mockduck

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Dec 10, 2017
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I recently played Broken Sword 5 on the Vita and thought it was a worthwhile old school adventure game experience.

It is more of a walking game, but there is a cheap creepy and cool game I found on Steam called The Edgelands I would recommend.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The Waypoint story on Police Quest 4 is a good read if folks haven't checked it out yet. It's about the internal fallout and public reaction to Ken Williams bringing in the former chief of the LAPD (the one who presided over Rodney King and the LA riots in the early 90s and then refused to resign in what seems like the douchiest way possible) as the new celebrity cop for Police Quest. https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...cop-made-the-most-reactionary-game-of-the-90s I didn't really follow Sierra games growing up and was just young enough to not really grasp the entirety of what was happening with the LAPD when the Rodney King video came out, so I had no idea about any of these connections. It's a pretty crazy intersection of classic gaming and American culture at large.
we had a thread about this here if you missed it -- quality byline :)
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just started Dropsy. Gonna aim to finish it during the week, but I am quite impressed by it and enjoying it from what little I played :P
 

Montresor

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Oct 27, 2017
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I got so frustrated with Thimbleweed Park in the past two days. I really, really enjoyed the first half of the game but the second half of the game had things I just couldn`t figure out on my own at all.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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One thing I'll give AGS is that when used properly, you can get some impressive visuals.
Like in Blackwell 5, during a flashback you can see your reflection in the rain.
 

thelongestj

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Oct 27, 2017
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Did anyone check out Four Last Things last year?

Yes, I played it. It's very short, only an hour and half, but has some comedic moments and the concept is pretty neat. It would be nice if it was a bit longer and you got to visit more than the one town.


I finished Life is Strange: Before the Storm. It was only okay and definitely lacking in the gameplay department.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, I played it. It's very short, only an hour and half, but has some comedic moments and the concept is pretty neat. It would be nice if it was a bit longer and you got to visit more than the one town.


I finished Life is Strange: Before the Storm. It was only okay and definitely lacking in the gameplay department.
Hopefully the next Life is Strange manges to incorporate some puzzles even if they are easy/simple.
 

Sloane

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Oct 25, 2017
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Raven is good for the first act and terrible after that.

I played Day of the Tentacle remastered yesterday. As a kid it took me weeks to beat. Finished it in 5 hours yesterday. I was a dumb kid.
I've had the same experience a while ago and I really, really wondered how the hell I played games as a kid / teen. I (think I) remember spending weeks on Monkey Island, FoA, Broken Sword, The Serrated Scalpel, and lots of others, loading them up every day for at least a couple of hours. I guess I was more patient back then but how did I not "beat" them after a week or so at most? I guess I might have just sucked but, then again, we also managed to figure out how to play simulation and strategy games like Sim City, The Guild, Capitalism, and whatnot as kids, often without *cough* a manual -- some of those, I probably wouldn't even touch today anymore because I'd consider them too confusing. So, I don't know, somehow replaying games from my childhood makes both my former self and my current self feel incredibly dumb at the same time.

Also, yeah, Raven isn't good. Its setup is somewhat interesting but it all falls apart very quickly and the second half of the game (originally released as part two, I think?) is a repetitive, boring mess.
 

KainXVIII

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Oct 26, 2017
5,282
The Cat Lady is awesome (much better than LiS), looking forward to play Downfall and upcoming Lorelai
 
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Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wonder if Lorelei plays after The Cat Lady and Downfall, or before? I guess it might also jump back and forth, explaining how the Queen of Maggots came to be and also wrapping up everything in the trilogy.
 
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KainXVIII

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wonder if Lorelei plays after The Cat Lady and Downfall, or before? I guess it might also jump back and forth, explaining how the Queen of Maggoths came ot be and also wrapping up everything in the trilogy.
In Lorelai trailer devs used Cat Lady assets, don't know if this intentional or just placeholder =)
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just finished Dropsy. Overall I quite enjoyed it although it did feel slow to move around and do some actions.