Reetae reviews the ending of LOST by comprehensively reviewing the series.

Theduce22 · Jan 19, 2018

AndreGX said:
Part 5 of the review has a bunch of them. The time travel contradiction around 12:00 is a good example
https://youtu.be/u6yUi1KhFe4?t=11m44s

I thought we are talking about lies in the context of the show. Not an interview a producer did with a science fiction magazine years prior. Im well aware they didnt have a real plan. Which is why some of the resolutions were garbage. Also I'm well aware season 5 is crap. I tell people watch seasons 1-3, a couple episodes from 4 then skip right to the end. Didn't stop it from being probably the greatest network tv show ever made.

AndreGX · Jan 19, 2018

Theduce22 said:
I thought we are talking about lies in the context of the show.

The original context was about the writers, which is what I was replying to. (I'm not sure why the source of who published the words of the producers matters. They were saying stuff like that everywhere, as the review also shows.)

Regardless, did you see my edit? I think that 2nd example covers both perspectives. The show is filled with contradicting elements, as the review points out over and over. But this one in particular the producers decided to concoct an elaborate lie over, for whatever reason.

Kitsunelaine · Jan 19, 2018

dmoe said:
Best show ever. Best ending ever.
They werent dead the whole time, deal with it.

bookmarked, will watch

Hell yeah. Preach.

firehawk12 · Jan 19, 2018

Someone should do a comparison of Lost and The Leftovers to show the lessons learned from the mess that was Lost's serialization and fake mysteries.

Stoney Mason · Jan 19, 2018

firehawk12 said:
Someone should do a comparison of Lost and The Leftovers to show the lessons learned from the mess that was Lost's serialization and fake mysteries.

How was that show? I was always curious to watch but never got around to it. I know its over now so wondering if its worth watching?

AoM · Jan 19, 2018

Stoney Mason said:
I think Walt is always the perfect example that the planned and plotted nature of the show was bullshit.

The point of the video is that most of this stuff was retro-fitted after the fact. To use a bad analogy, that instead of buying a pre-made jig saw puzzle you basically have someone start a puzzle and make and jury rig puzzle pieces later from a 3-d printer to try to fit it all together. And that its very noticeable and obvious that this has happened.

Now maybe this would be fine with most people. But he argues its not cool nor ethical when the producers and powers that be lie about this. And pretend that the jigsaw puzzle was always planned to be that way and comes with the original pieces. They were making it up as they went along instead of the master plan idea they always touted.

That's to not even talk about the quality of the puzzle once you've frankensteined it together.

I'm not saying you have to agree with his ultimate conclusion because in some parts I don't either but then like I said in other posts, I already come from the position that many of the mysteries in the show were bullshit and unsolvable by their very nature.

edit: I used a similar jig saw puzzle analogy without having seen his video where he uses it lol.

Wait, did you mean to reply to me? I agree with pretty much all that.

Stoney Mason said:
How was that show? I was always curious to watch but never got around to it. I know its over now so wondering if its worth watching?

Without a doubt.

Stoney Mason · Jan 19, 2018

AoM said:
Wait, did you mean to reply to me? I agree with pretty much all that.

nah I didn't lol. Meant to quote post #31.

firehawk12 · Jan 19, 2018

Stoney Mason said:
How was that show? I was always curious to watch but never got around to it. I know its over now so wondering if its worth watching?

It's pretty good, but it's a show that definitely gets better as it goes along. I found S3 to be vastly superior to S1, even though it technically answers even fewer questions by the time the series ends.

In a way, it's actually "anti-Lost" in that regard.

Arta · Jan 19, 2018

moondoggerr said:
Here's a salient point: the Breaking Bad writers had no idea what was going to happen with the

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They threw it out there and wrote the "answers" on the fly. BECAUSE THATS HOW TV IS MADE.

He mentions that too. :)

Trust me folks, he goes through pretty much every defense for the show ever brought up, including the Verge interview and that "answers" page on Cracked that somebody from Lostpedia wrote.

Robdraggoo · Jan 19, 2018

I think I tried watching this some time ago and decided not to continue watching it. I don't need anything to taint my favorite show of all time.

Nacho · Jan 19, 2018

GMM said:
Absolutely one of the worst endings to a show I have ever seen, they just made up stuff as they kept making the seasons, they never intended on giving the viewers any real answers.

Welcome to 99% of the before lost and still the majority of the after lost.

People who give this show shit really don't understand the landscape it was coming out of. It was a diamond in the rough of shitty especially network tv. Yeah the ending has flaws but it was I heard of for a show to essentially chose it's own ending instead of dragging out until it was cancelled and giving a shitty last minute finale. They didn't exactly have a playbook

firehawk12 · Jan 20, 2018

Nacho said:
Welcome to 99% of the before lost and still the majority of the after lost.

People who give this show shit really don't understand the landscape it was coming out of. It was a diamond in the rough of shitty especially network tv. Yeah the ending has flaws but it was I heard of for a show to essentially chose it's own ending instead of dragging out until it was cancelled and giving a shitty last minute finale. They didn't exactly have a playbook

Everyone forgets Babylon 5. lol

Deranged Hermit · Jan 20, 2018

Season six in general is terrible. The show had serious issues in every season after the first but they really had no plan for that final season and it translated into a meandering mess.

AoM · Jan 20, 2018

Stoney Mason said:
nah I didn't lol. Meant to quote post #31.

Ah ok. I was like, waitwat.

Deleted member 30411 · Jan 20, 2018

TheChewyWaffles said:
Is Erigu involved in this?

edit: Oh snap he posted in this thread!

I was coming with the same damn comment! I swear Lost is like a bat signal.

dead souls · Jan 20, 2018

Nacho said:
Welcome to 99% of the before lost and still the majority of the after lost.

People who give this show shit really don't understand the landscape it was coming out of. It was a diamond in the rough of shitty especially network tv. Yeah the ending has flaws but it was I heard of for a show to essentially chose it's own ending instead of dragging out until it was cancelled and giving a shitty last minute finale. They didn't exactly have a playbook

That makes it even worse. They knew exactly how many episodes they had left for the show with years to plan and they still completely shit the bed. There is no excuse for how bad it turned out.

Ultimately the only season of the show that is worth watching is the first. It's a mess after that.

jviggy43 · Jan 20, 2018

This is has been a fantastic watch and a trip down memory lane. Lindelof is a bad person.

Erigu · Jan 20, 2018

firehawk12 said:
Someone should do a comparison of Lost and The Leftovers to show the lessons learned from the mess that was Lost's serialization and fake mysteries.

There you go:

WrenchNinja · Jan 20, 2018

I'm on Part 3 now. Man, he's so fucking right.

Jon Carter · Jan 20, 2018

Just watched Part 1 and damn at the writers just bullshitting people about Walt. Did it really slip their minds that kids grow up fast? So then they had the gall to lie about it while saying "Please trust us"? Seriously, that's unacceptable.

half a moon · Jan 20, 2018

dmoe said:
Best show ever. Best ending ever.
They werent dead the whole time, deal with it.

bookmarked, will watch

Word lyfe

Hooky · Jan 20, 2018

Was reading an old Bill Carter book about the shakeup of network tv in the mid 2000s and Lost was obviously in there, from Lloyd Braun's conception of the idea to Jeffrey Lieber's original pitch up through Braun bringing in Abrams—who was somehow on a $20 million deal off of Alias(?) yet didn't want to do it because he was writing something about bounty hunters(?)—and this part made me laugh:

Braun knew Abrams's fondness for science fiction, and he liked adding a hint of sci-fi, in theory; but he told Abrams it would be better if it were more science fact. Whatever malevolent force existed on the island, it should seem plausible in real life, so the show would not become campy or preposterous. Abrams agreed.

Linus815 · Jan 20, 2018

firehawk12 said:
Someone should do a comparison of Lost and The Leftovers to show the lessons learned from the mess that was Lost's serialization and fake mysteries.

Leftovers was full of "fake" mysteries. The finale was similiar in fashion, not really providing "answers". If Leftovers blew up in popularity like Lost, there'd be many millions of disappointed people.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

GMM said:
Absolutely one of the worst endings to a show I have ever seen, they just made up stuff as they kept making the seasons, they never intended on giving the viewers any real answers.

I disagree
I can understand why people where disappointed but for me, LOST is still one of the best tv show of all time, about scenario and story.
I mean...i m always thinking that people that didn't like the ending are angry because they wanted Egyptian stuff at the end.
Come on...Lost isn't about this stuff. It was always about characters LOST in their life.
But you can still ask me some questions about the show and i will try to explain.
Just...don't come out with Walt power. I don't know and the epilogue implied clearly that Walt is the next Jacob.

But i will give you one example.

Many complains about the Monster being a man or, that the Monster is "thinking" and not just be a Monster.
You should rewatch Eko Death.
Because Eko truly figure WAY before other characters that the Monster is playing with them.

And despite all the hate about LOST...well there was GoT season 7 last year and i never saw many inconsistencies in one season of LOST than GOT S7.
Remember that "javelot" scene?
Dragons that can travel Westeros in one minute?
Gendry gotta go fast?
The "zombie plot" to rally Cersei to their cause?

WTF was this?

But heu "LOST is bad! "

Erigu · Jan 20, 2018

Kylo Rey said:
I disagree

Maybe you should watch the videos this thread is about, then.

shoemasta · Jan 20, 2018

Its incredible how much better The Leftovers is even though both it and LOST share very similar storytelling techniques and themes.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

Erigu said:
Maybe you should watch the videos this thread is about, then.

I read the OP and i don't want to.
I mean disliking season 6 first part is fine because it was the lowpoint of the show (that Dogen/Lennon stuff... guys Sanada is coming to Westworld too, i'm scared)
But disliking season 6 from episode 9 to 18 is nonsense to me. I mean , ok the writers admitted that their worst episode was the one about Jacob and Monster because it was "architect Matrix bad stuff" , ok but the rest was awesome.

And seeing on this topic people STILL believing that it was some kind of sixth sense since the beginning and they were all dead since the plane crash is surprising. After 8 years!
I think those videos are good.

But i think you should also watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5chCMRsEVo

I mean in this video, the guy say to Lindelof he was disappointed because he wanted a spaceship explanation at the end. Even Lindelof is saying "...yeah i understand" but you can see him thinking "wtf...they are angry about lack of answers but they wanted an answer that was very bad?"

elLOaSTy · Jan 20, 2018

I love the finale, but I think that goes without saying.

Erigu · Jan 20, 2018

Linus815 said:
Leftovers was full of "fake" mysteries.

Yup.
Sure, they said right away they wouldn't explain what happened to those people (*), but they then proceeded to introduce a bunch of other mysteries (why? couldn't you make your supposed point with the one?), and even dropped some hints that the answer to the Departure mystery could actually be knowable (for example, those old ladies in the car who apparently knew the Departure was going to happen, in the prequel episode).

It's basically the same shit (down to the group of antagonists who are just being assholes for the sake of drama), and no lessons were learned. Hell, ask Lindelof himself if he learned something from Lost, and he'll immediately disagree with the notion that he did anything wrong then.

(*) Kinda funny that Lindelof, years later, seemed so proud to explain that he totally thought up that

"hey, maybe the Departed live in another world where everybody else disappeared?" idea from the very beginning!!!1! and even shot the departed's point of view back when they were working on the pilot.

Just another reminder that the guy is full of shit.

Kylo Rey said:
I read the OP and i don't want to.

Well, thanks for nothing? And maybe I don't feel like reading your post either, now!
Yay for fruitful conversations.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

You can think that you don't want to read me.
But me reading you that Lindelof is full of shit doesn't want me to debate with you either.
I debate with people about the end of lost since 8 years almost and it's always the same thing.
They wanted an egyptian explanation
They wanted an Alien explanation
They are angry because those charactters are dead since episode 1 and the island is pugatory (which is false the island is real);
I already know what those video are about and in few post you gonna talk all about the new star wars trilogy that is BAD because JJA , because they don't know what they are doing.

Lost is a show about this

I made mistakes in my life and that pissed me off. I want to fix those mistakes. I want it so bad. I don't want to stay on this island, i want to go back to civilisation because I NEED to fix my mistakes! (Jack)
But...what if i was wrong? My wife left me. I don''t have any kids so I CAN'T prove to my father that i won't be like him. Btw i need to go back for my father funeral with the body because if i don't , his body will always haunting me (Jack)
I won't find peace by killing the man who killed my parents. (Sawyer)
I wont find again the love of my mother because i killed the guy who beat her...and that she loves him (Kate)
I won't be happy with my Dad because he used me for a kidney, and that piss me off. (Locke)
I have to deal with my son and i think only civilisation can help me through this (Micheal)
I want to prove my father in law that i can be with her daughter (Desmond)
I want to control people and i want people to love me because my dad didn't. (Ben)

You see, season 6 flash sideways is all about the life they wanted.
But at the end, this is not what happened.This is just a fantasy.

Because LOST is about "YOU made mistakes. It's hurting. You want to GO BACK. But you can"t. You have to deal with it."
And this, for me, was brillant.

This isn't random that JJA direct episode 1 of season 3 (with Jack in the Hydra island, haunted by his memories and his past. There was even a deleted scene when he saw a little girl saying to him "you won''t prove it, you won't prove that you are a good dad".
(there is picture about this scene).
The purpose of this episode was to made us realise that he may use his relationship with her wife ONLY to prove to his dad that he's better than him. But they deleted this.

gfxtwin · Jan 20, 2018

I recently learned that the time travel stuff was a last minute greenlight that a lot of writers on the show (ones who preferred continuing with the direction of the first three seasons) were opposed to. Imagine how great it could have been without the shark-jumping time travel bullshit.

Kitsunelaine · Jan 20, 2018

gfxtwin said:
I recently learned that the time travel stuff was a last minute greenlight that a lot of writers on the show (ones who preferred continuing with the direction of the first three seasons) were opposed to. Imagine how great it could have been without the shark-jumping time travel bullshit.

Do you have a source for this?

firehawk12 · Jan 20, 2018

Linus815 said:
Leftovers was full of "fake" mysteries. The finale was similiar in fashion, not really providing "answers". If Leftovers blew up in popularity like Lost, there'd be many millions of disappointed people.

The Leftovers was smarter in that it was never about the answers, something that Lost couldn't or wouldn't get away from. I didn't feel like The Leftovers was full of bullshit like Lost was by season 3-4.

Erigu said:
There you go:

Is there a media embed here that I'm not seeing...

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

gfxtwin said:
I recently learned that the time travel stuff was a last minute greenlight that a lot of writers on the show (ones who preferred continuing with the direction of the first three seasons) were opposed to. Imagine how great it could have been without the shark-jumping time travel bullshit.

I want source too. Because they gave us hint about time travel since season 1... (even if that didn't mean they will use time travel).
But hey since Desmond episode in season 3 (when the hatch exploded and we saw what happened) we all knew that TT was coming :p .
Firehaw12 you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5chCMRsEVo

Erigu · Jan 20, 2018

Kylo Rey said:
I debate with people about the end of lost since 8 years almost and it's always the same thing.
They wanted an egyptian explanation
They wanted an Alien explanation
They are angry because those charactters are dead since episode 1 and the island is pugatory (which is false the island is real);
I already know what those video are about

You just showed (once again) that you don't.

Why post here if you're not even willing to watch the videos this thread is about?

firehawk12 said:
Is there a media embed here that I'm not seeing...

Ah! No, sorry, I just meant that there's no difference, and no lessons learned.

(Not sure if the thread about that show is still up on the old site, but I elaborated quite a bit over there at the time...)

WrenchNinja · Jan 20, 2018

Fuck, I forgot how terrible season 3 was. Aside from those final episodes, I blocked out most of it.

And I totally agree that season 4 is a huge improvement. The Constant is still one of my favourite episodes of tv ever.

Monorojo · Jan 20, 2018

I loved Lost. I was hooked every week and even lurked the neogaf threads back in the day.

At the time the mystery surrounding the island and the cast really sucked in a dedicated audience.

As we got closer to the end you could already sense grumblings that there are too many open plot threads and that the last season wouldnt be able to address some of the them.

In the end, the writers didn't address MOST of the secrets that I cared about personally and the ending was probably the worst possible scenario people came up with, a complete scapegoat.

It was terrible. Awful. I can't recommend the series to people anymore without the caveat that the ending is absolutely trash and enjoy the ride.

MrConbon210 · Jan 20, 2018

I seem to be the only one that loves the later seasons. The time travel and alternate universe stuff made it my GOAT show. I really enjoy when shows platform off their original idea and it never seemed to me like anything that happened was impossible in the world they set up. The finale had me sobbing for a good half hour and thought it explained all the questions while giving us a touching ending that came full circle.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

Erigu said:
You just showed (once again) that you don't.

Why post here if you're not even willing to watch the videos this thread is about?

Ok ok i will watch.
But i won't be surprise. "Hey you wanted us to think and you didn't gave us the answers!"

MrConbon210 · Jan 20, 2018

Monorojo said:
I loved Lost. I was hooked every week and even lurked the neogaf threads back in the day.

At the time the mystery surrounding the island and the cast really sucked in a dedicated audience.

As we got closer to the end you could already sense grumblings that there are too many open plot threads and that the last season wouldnt be able to address some of the them.

In the end, the writers didn't address MOST of the secrets that I cared about personally and the ending was probably the worst possible scenario people came up with, a complete scapegoat.

It was terrible. Awful. I can't recommend the series to people anymore without the caveat that the ending is absolutely trash and enjoy the ride.

What major questions never got explained?

gfxtwin · Jan 20, 2018

Kitsunelaine said:
Do you have a source for this?

Kinda. It was from a convo I had over a year ago with someone on another forum who works in the entertainment industry and heard it from reliable sources in their network of friends & colleagues in said industry.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

Monorojo said:
I loved Lost. I was hooked every week and even lurked the neogaf threads back in the day.

At the time the mystery surrounding the island and the cast really sucked in a dedicated audience.

As we got closer to the end you could already sense grumblings that there are too many open plot threads and that the last season wouldnt be able to address some of the them.

In the end, the writers didn't address MOST of the secrets that I cared about personally and the ending was probably the worst possible scenario people came up with, a complete scapegoat.

It was terrible. Awful. I can't recommend the series to people anymore without the caveat that the ending is absolutely trash and enjoy the ride.

Why do you think it was trash?
Careful: i respect that you didn't like the ending ^^. But maybe not that "they didn't anything"

Cipherr · Jan 20, 2018

Still really love Lost. I can rewatch it, and have. On the other hand I struggle to re-watch Battlestar Galactica beyond season 1. That show REALLY fell the fuck off, and rewatched amplify this horribly. I can't stand rewatching the vast mediocre episodes to get to the handful of decent moments like the Adama maneuver or the Mutiny episode.

gfxtwin · Jan 20, 2018

Kylo Rey said:
I want source too. Because they gave us hint about time travel since season 1... (even if that didn't mean they will use time travel).
But hey since Desmond episode in season 3 (when the hatch exploded and we saw what happened) we all knew that TT was coming :p .
Firehaw12 you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5chCMRsEVo

As I understood it, the early seasons of Lost were set up to be written in an open-ended way to allow for several potential branching plotlines later on that the writers have at their disposal to go with depending on stuff like critical reception, fan reaction, etc.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

I won't spoil anything but there is also a TV Show that use theories from fans right now to hook up and that reveal in his 2017 season that they will use science fiction...
And no one complain. It was a shock but fans were happy with this.
It 's

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Vault Boy · Jan 20, 2018

dmoe said:
Best show ever. Best ending ever.
They werent dead the whole time, deal with it.

bookmarked, will watch

Yeah, I was one of those viewers who never bought the theory that they're dead the whole time.

However by the time the 6th season wrapped up I was wishing that I had been.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

Vault Boy said:
Yeah, I was one of those viewers who never bought the theory that they're dead the whole time.

However by the time the 6th season wrapped up I was wishing that I had been.

god no, i would be angry if that was the case, and they leave the island in season 4 so what... resurection ?
Btw they tricked us because the island is the "door" to the "afterworld". The light was the flashsideways...
That's why the monster need to stay on this island, because if he leaves (so destroy the island); there will be no "after death world".
That's why i was thinking "Why Widmore would say "if the Monster leave, we are all dead" , because the Monster can't be "a Monster" outside of the island but just a human?"

Erigu · Jan 20, 2018

Kylo Rey said:
they tricked us because the island is the "door" to the "afterworld". The light was the flashsideways...
That's why the monster need to stay on this island, because if he leaves (so destroy the island); there will be no "after death world".
That's why i was thinking "Why Widmore would say "if the Monster leave, we are all dead" , because the Monster can't be "a Monster" outside of the island but just a human?"

But then, why would Widmore agree to tell the Man in Black what Jacob's plan was on the condition that the Man in Black won't kill Penny when he leaves the island?

WIDMORE: Don't talk to him. Don't say anything.
[Locke cuts Zoe's throat with his knife - Widmore grabs her as she collapses to the floor.]
WIDMORE: Why would you do that?
LOCKE: You told her not to talk to me. That made her pointless... Now, Charles, it's clear you're not afraid to die. So, there's only one way to motivate you to tell me what I want to know. Soon, this will all be over. I'll get what I want. And I'll finally leave this island. And when I do, the first thing I'm going to do is kill your daughter...Penny.
WIDMORE: You'll kill her whether I talk to you or not.
LOCKE: No, I won't. I give you my word.
WIDMORE: And I'm supposed to take your word?
LOCKE: You tell me why you came back here and I won't hurt your daughter.
WIDMORE: I brought Desmond Hume back here because of his unique resistance to electromagnetism. He was a measure of last resort.
LOCKE: What do you mean, "last resort"?
WIDMORE: I'm not saying any more in front of him.
LOCKE: Well, then whisper to me. Hmm?
[Widmore whispers into Locke's ear - three shots are fired - Ben has gunned down Widmore.]
BEN: He doesn't get to save his daughter.

Doesn't it really sound like Widmore thought the Man in Black was actually going to kill everybody one by one (somehow!) upon leaving the island?
Yes, it's completely dumb, but how do you infer something else from that scene?

rude · Jan 20, 2018

I just came in here to say that Season 5 is underrated as fuck. It really strikes the perfect balance in mystery and REAL character moments that the first season did.

Whew, Whatever Happened, Happened is still one of my all time favorite tv episodes and it doesn't even do anything but tell a simple story.

Kylo Rey · Jan 20, 2018

I would say that prior the finale i had no idea how they would beat the Monster.
Unplugged that cork made ths island begin to sink because the island wasn't magic, it was the light on it who gaves "powers" to people (and all powers like visions or other things are linked to the afterworld).
So if no power...no smockey. Jack can kill MIB because he's a human.

And i think that was part of MIB plan to sound like he's dangerous. Because if everybody knows that pulling out the cork erase all powers SO Monster powerrs, no one would do it.
MIB knew that because he said many times he want to be human again. But i didn"t catch that through season 6

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