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Fantasy is the impossible made probable
Science fiction is the improbable made possible
- Rod Serling
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This OT is dedicated to discussion of anything and everything related to the wonderful and endlessly fascinating world of science fiction (and speculative fiction and science fantasy and its ilk). From literature to movies, to video games and comics, to myriad ideas and concepts that excite the imagination, science fiction is as vast as the galaxies its works are often set within.

So welcome, both long-time explorers and cautious newcomers, and delight in the endless thrills of science fiction.

MOVIES
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Every decade has its fair share of great sci-fi movies; one can go back nearly a century and find classic films throughout the decades: Metropolis and The Day The Earth Stood Still, 2001 and Planet of the Apes, Alien and Star Wars, The Terminator and Blade Runner, and so on.

But these last 10-15 years have been especially diverse. From the bleak dystopian Children of Men to thrilling survival stories within Gravity and The Martan, the time loops of Edge of Tomorrow, the isolated tales of Ex Machina and Moon, to the Villeneuve doubleheader of Arrival and Blade Runner, we've seen a wealth of compelling cinematic science fiction in recent years.

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BOOKS
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If you're looking to get into science fiction, you'd be remiss to ignore the centuries of literature that is the foundation of the genre and subgenres. You'd have to go back to the 1800s to find defining works like Frankenstein and War of the Worlds, so the prospect of reading science fiction can seem like a daunting task due to the centuries of novels and short stories alike one could dive into.

But not impossible. There are too many individual books to recommend comprehensively, but author and genre is a different story. For hard foundational works (hard in this case meaning revolving around realistic plausible science), Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke, Philip K. Dick, and Robert Heinlein are good places to start. For other classic works, Ray Bradbury, HG Wells, and Frank Herbert are must-reads.

If you're looking for sprawling space operas, Iain M. Banks, Vernor Vinge, and Dan Simmons offer excellent examples.. For philosophical musings and truly alien worlds and beings, look no further than the stories of Stanislaw Lem. Cyberpunk fans should seek out the stories of William Gibson and Richard Morgan. Those seeking gritty thrillers and noir mysteries can read Warren Hammond and Adam Sternbergh. Joe Haldeman, John Scalzi, John Steakley, and Dan Abnett are action-packed military sci-fi. Bleak dystopian tales can be found within the novels of George Orwell and Margaret Atwood.

Other authors to look for are Alastair Reynolds, Liu Cixin, the Strugatsky brothers, Kurt Vonnegut, Michael Crichton, Larry Niven, and Richard Matheson.

VIDEO GAMES
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Video games have a long history of sci-fi works; at the most base levels, the medium is rooted in sci-fi, thanks the alien attack of Space Invaders. Kojima's Snatcher, the sadly now-unavailable Westwood's Blade Runner, the cyberpunk slaughter of Syndicate...science fiction has offered some of gaming's most memorable titles.

You don't have to look long to find excellent sci-fi games, although one could argue that many games don't delve much deeper than using the trappings of sci-fi for much more than cool enemies and weapons and exotic locales. For narratives and places that use their science fiction in more substantial ways, series such as Deus Ex and System Shock explore cyberpunk and cybernetic bio-horror respectively. SOMA's sci-fi horror story uses the possibilities and implications of technology to haunting effect. Mass Effect presents a sprawling space opera saga thick with intriguing lore and worlds. Dead Space evokes the industrial lived-in atmosphere of Alien and the grotesque body horror of The Thing, while Prey drops you in a lovingly-crafted space station and a thought-provoking story.

Among indie titles, Sethian challenges you to learn to read and write in an alien language to learn about a lost extraterrestrial civilization. VA11-HALLA presents a cyberpunk dystopian through the woes and struggles of the patrons at your dive bar. Observer takes the social and technological horrors of a megacorp-run cyberpunk world to its bleak and disturbing logical extremes. Stellaris lets you expand, exploit, explore, and engage in war across a diverse galaxy, with intelligent rules for different species. House of the Dying Sun packs some compelling world-building into the chassis of a dogfighting/fleet RTS hybrid. The Turing Test and The Talos Principle deliver engaging narratives through first-person puzzles.
COMICS
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I only got into comics in recent years, and after thinking the medium was mostly superheroes, Marvel, and DC, I was shocked to find a massive library of incredible science fiction comics. Much like literature, comics are able to explore amazingly diverse and complex sci-fi ideas and concepts, only limited by the art on the page, unburdened by budget or actors. From the hilarious to the horrifying, sci-fi comics cover an entire spectrum of stories.

Personal recommendations would include: Saga's vibrant tale of family and adventure, the warring factions and resurrecting bodyguards of Lazarus, Prophet's endlessly inventive other worlds and alien cultures, the generation-spanning space opera in The Metabarons, the gory dimension-hopping humor of The Manhattan Projects, Descender's thrilling tale of a humanlike android, the retro throwbacks and exciting alternate realities of Black Science, a world crumbling in fear of the unknown in Trees, and Alex + Ada's compelling human-machine love story.


TELEVISION
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I'm less versed in the realm of television sci-fi compared to the other mediums, but I can wholeheartedly recommend Black Mirror and Fringe. The former is a masterclass example of what science fiction does better than any other genre, reflecting upon our societal issues and concerns through the distant yet sometimes hauntingly familiar lens of speculative fiction, other civilizations, and thought experiments. Black Mirror's aim is its name, showing the terrifying, depressing, bleak, and unsettling possibilities of technology left unchecked.

On the other hand, Fringe delights in the endless potential of science fiction, of alternate dimensions and time travel and human experimentation and impossible technology. Yet, there's heart and humanity there too, demonstrating that wonders of science fiction can still have very human consequences. Come for cool sci-fi, stay for the compelling characters and fascinating world-building.
 
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Has anyone here checked out that UK/Amazon PKD Electric Dreams series? Was curious if how it compared to Black Mirror as a sci-fi show
 

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Has anyone here checked out that UK/Amazon PKD Electric Dreams series? Was curious if how it compared to Black Mirror as a sci-fi show

It's been on UK terrestrial. More4 or E4, one of those, so if you're in the UK you may find it as a freebie on their ad-supported streaming site, All4.

I watched the first two episodes. There was a fairly comprehensive discussion on the old site as it was broadcast so you may want to see whether that thread is sitill around.

Broadly, this isn't Black Mirror because it's based on the writings of one of the giants of a much earlier era of SF, namely Philip K Dick. Where Charlie Brooker's creation is all about the day after tomorrow, Electric Dreams is an adaptation of thoughts from before the internet existed. The author died in 1982, just as Blade Runner was about to be released. That film is based on one of his most important novels, but it's not the same as the novel. In fact director Ridley Scott, much more than screenwriters Hampton Fancher and David Peoples, has taken the story in quite a different direction, while maintaining the philosophical integrity of the novel.

So where does Electric Dreams lie on that continuum? I'd say it contains significant new input from the screenwriters, but is recognisably based on the work of a great SF visionary. These stories are slightly updated works from the science fiction of the late twentieth century, and the two I watched are both interesting from that viewpoint.

The casting and direction are solid. It's definitely not a good idea to compare it to Black Mirror, because Philip K Dick had nothing but his imagination and his knowledge of human nature to work on. Brooker and his collaborators have so much more in common with us so they can address our concerns more directly.
 
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Just started reading Sea of Rust. Too early to give any impressions, but the synopsis and reviews I've read paint it is as essentially Wall-E + The Road + I Have No Mouth: the story follows a robot, after machines became sentient and wiped out humanity, trying to survive in the ruined post-war wasteland where a new threat of massive hivemind AIs (think AIM) are assimilating the first generation of machines.
It's been thirty years since the apocalypse and fifteen years since the murder of the last human being at the hands of robots. Humankind is extinct. Every man, woman, and child has been liquidated by a global uprising devised by the very machines humans designed and built to serve them. Most of the world is controlled by an OWI—One World Intelligence—the shared consciousness of millions of robots, uploaded into one huge mainframe brain. But not all robots are willing to cede their individuality—their personality—for the sake of a greater, stronger, higher power.
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Cargill was Massawyrm right?

Really looking forward to season 3 of the Expanse. Nice seeing some harder sci with my fi.
 

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Glad this thread made the jump. Just bought the new Expanse novel digitally. Been looking forward to it.
 
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Changed the banner for a more fitting one given what comes out this month

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Netflix's Altered Carbon finally got a release date: Feb 2nd
 

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Thank you for this thread, I've already found some interesting Christmas presents because of it. Should expect no less from a More_Badass thread.

Any recommendations for a lo fi or somewhat stylistic sci fi romp like cowboy bebop except a written work? I'm kind of in the mood for a sci fi trilogy thats actiony and not too far separated from human concepts. Alternatively, a really cool series focused on mechs.
 
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Picked up some sci-fi over the weekend: first three books in CJ Cherryh's Foreigner series and Lavie Tidhar's Central Station

The latter is an anthology of stories all set in and around a bustling spaceport in distant future Tel Aviv, showcasing different facets of life and culture in this future. The former is a hard sci-fi series that thrusts the reader into a post-first contact world, where humans are the aliens and isolated settlers on a alien world, and the protagonist is the ambassador living among the alien's society.

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What's the consensus on Altered Carbon and the books that follow? I'm about to wrap up the novel I'm reading and want another sci-fi book/series to get into. I noticed Netflix has a series based on Altered Carbon coming up soon, so I thought I might try the novel.
 
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What's the consensus on Altered Carbon and the books that follow? I'm about to wrap up the novel I'm reading and want another sci-fi book/series to get into. I noticed Netflix has a series based on Altered Carbon coming up soon, so I thought I might try the novel.

We could say to it is a bit too "pulpy" and edgy to be one of the all-time greats, but it is good. I really liked it because it keeps moving, showings new things on every turn, and the world-building by itself is really thought provoking, but its gets in your face with its explicit sex and violence.
 

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We could say to it is a bit too "pulpy" and edgy to be one of the greats, but it is good. I really liked it because it keeps moving, showings new things on every turn, and the world-building by itself is really thought provoking, but its gets in your face with its explicit sex and violence.

But what if sex and violence are some of my favorite things?
 
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What's the consensus on Altered Carbon and the books that follow? I'm about to wrap up the novel I'm reading and want another sci-fi book/series to get into. I noticed Netflix has a series based on Altered Carbon coming up soon, so I thought I might try the novel.
Altered Carbon is pulpy and violent but explores its central concept from a lot of interesting angles. Haven't read the other books
 

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I watched the first 6 episodes of Electric Dreams and I was enjoying it quite a lot - especially when avoiding comparing it to Black Mirror (this was definitely a mistake of the marketing of this series - it is being sold as an option for Black Mirror fans post binge watch abstinence).

But something bugged me: Why are they so didactic about the plots? The first one (Real Life) have some minutes of 'explanation' in the end, but the 6th (Safe and Sound) have a silly 'making of' explaining how the everything happened in the background in a very weird way. It was worse than soap operas. Anyone has any idea why the series is like this?
 

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I rewatched Ex Machina yesterday after a while. I disliked it a lot back in 2015 but grew to love it this time around.

I'm very excited about this month's science fiction film though. Duncan Jones' seudo sequel to Moon in Mute comes out on Netflix this February 23 and just got a trailer. I really hope it'll have interesting stuff to discuss. Anyway, I'll probably be posting the OT the day before it arrives.

Will watch Minority Report now. I loved it when I was younger but haven't actually seen it for years.

I'm in such a sci-fi mood it's unreal.

I really think this thread deserves a resurgence and I honestly think it should get a chance over in EtCetera instead of being left to dust in Hangouts. I've now asked Grizzly about a move.
 
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I rewatched Ex Machina yesterday after a while. I disliked it a lot back in 2015 but grew to love it this time around.

I'm very excited about this month's science fiction film though. Duncan Jones' seudo sequel to Moon in Mute comes out on Netflix this February 23 and just got a trailer. I really hope it'll have interesting stuff to discuss. Anyway, I'll probably be posting the OT the day before it arrives.

Will watch Minority Report now. I loved it when I was younger but haven't actually seen it for years.

I'm in such a sci-fi mood it's unreal.

I really think this thread deserves a resurgence and I honestly think it should get a chance over in EtCetera instead of being left to dust in Hangouts. I've now asked Grizzly about a move.

Ooh, Minority Report was good. I should revisit that soon myself.

I've been watching the Godzilla series and did not realize how many aliens were in that. This last one I watched had some pretty cool space bases in it. It reminds me a lot of the old Thunderbirds tv show in some ways.
 

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I just noticed the existence of this thread!

I read quite a bit of sci fi, ranging from the all-time classics to more popcorn stuff.

I am currently just finishing up the third novel in the Legend of the Galactic Heroes series. After about 30 years of them being stuck in Japan, Viz started releasing English translations a few years back. I think that the first 5 novels (of 10) are out now, with #6 coming in a few months.

The books are pretty light on actual science fiction, but if you like space opera and naval battles in space, they are pretty fun.
 

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With Altered Carbon out - which is probably the first sci-fi show I'm watching - I've been speculating if there's other sci-fi shows out there?

Black Mirror seems to be one, or at least contain individual sci-fi episodes? I hear Electric Dreams and Counterpart are new shoes in the genre too? Are they any good?

I guess Westworld is too, although I've seen and loved that one.
 
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With Altered Carbon out - which is probably the first sci-fi show I'm watching - I've been speculating if there's other sci-fi shows out there?

Black Mirror seems to be one, or at least contain individual sci-fi episodes? I hear Electric Dreams and Counterpart are new shoes in the genre too? Are they any good?

I guess Westworld is too, although I've seen and loved that one.
Black Mirror
Fringe
The Expanse
Battlestar Galactica
The Handmaid's Tale
The Man In The High Castle
Rick & Morty

Counterpart is new but really solid so far
 

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Damn, The Handmaid's Tale too? I'm only 5 episodes in but didn't notice anything sci-fi about it. That's cool though. Or is it just that it's set in an dystopian future that is sci-fi about it? Anyway, don't answer if it contains spoilers lol.

Good to hear Counterpart is something worth checking out.
 
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Damn, The Handmaid's Tale too? I'm only 5 episodes in but didn't notice anything sci-fi about it. That's cool though. Or is it just that it's set in an dystopian future that is sci-fi about it? Anyway, don't answer if it contains spoilers lol.

Good to hear Counterpart is something worth checking out.
Alt history and dystopian future both fall under science fiction (or probably speculative fiction more broadly). But I'd definitely classify any dystopian future story under science fiction.
 

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Best novel I've read recently was Peter Watt's Blindsight. It's very 'hard' Sci Fi - big ideas and, without giving too much away, a pretty terrifying exploration into the nature of intelligence. There's another novel in the same series I need to check out at some point.

Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky, Planetfall by Emma Newman, and Borne by Jeff VanderMeer are a few of my other personal highlights of last year. The Three Body Problem and the sequels are another essential from recent times.

I also bought this awesome History of Science Fiction print a few days ago after seeing it pop up on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/sciencefiction/comments/7taehc/the_history_of_science_fiction/
 

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Was wondering why there isn't a science fiction thread again, but turns out there IS, huh

Someone mentioned Hothouse by Brian Aldiss in the last thread, so I got myself a 1969 print (had the best cover art). But the microdust is making my skin itch like crazy, so not sure if I'm going to finish it. Got about halfway through tho, what a ride! Also finished Children Of The Sky by Vinge some while ago. It was good, but I enjoyed A Fire Upon The Deep a lot more. Now I'm reading Lem's Summa Technologiae again

Thinking about getting Changing Planes by Le Guin or Starmaker by Stapledon...

Edit: Also binged Lost in Space on Netflix this weekend, it was ok I guess.
 
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Someone posted this in the Expanse cancellation thread. We're getting so many sci-fi shows coming up, it's ridiculously awesome
I might be missing some here, but this is a large swath of the upcoming Sci-Fi projects:

Amazon
  • East of West
  • Transhuman
  • Snow Crash
  • Consider Phlebas
  • Darkover
  • Galaxy Quest
  • Lazarus
  • Ringworld

Netflix

  • Osmosis
  • Another Life
  • Nightflyers
  • Raising Dion

Apple

  • Amazing Stories
  • See
  • Untitled Ronald D Moore Series
  • Foundation
  • Unannounced Series I can't talk about

HBO

  • Demimonde
  • Lovecraft Country
  • Glare

Others
  • The First (Hulu)
  • Jon Favreau's Untitled Star Wars Series (Disney Streaming Platform)
  • Snowpiercer (TNT)


Plus, of course, continuing series like Travelers, Black Mirror, etc.
And to add to that, Fox finally ordered a full series of The Passage
 

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I see I've been summoned here...

Excited for a bunch of the upcoming Sci-Fi series. So happy to see Fringe in the OP too!

Fringe was damn good. Too bad it was axed...
It wasn't axed. It was the rare sci-fi show that actually got to go out on its own terms and have a real ending. And it was a good one too.
 

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We're moving this thread to the Main Etcetera forum for one month. This will help the thread gain more exposure and maybe attract some regular discussion.

After the month is over, it will return back to "Hangouts".
 

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I've been reading mostly comics for the last two months, but I was finally in the mood to start a new novel today, so I browsed Amazon to see what looked interesting. I haven't really kept up with new book releases in a while. Came up with this:


About five chapters in and it seems cool so far.
 

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I'm like 100 pages from the end of Acceptance, the last book in the Southern Reach (Annihilation) trilogy.

Iain M Banks is my favourite author but I've only got 2 culture books left so I'm going to read some of his non-culture sci fi and non-sci fi works soon. Dreading Amazon fucking up universe, I hate the fact Tech Bros seem to love referencing the Culture when their ethics are the polar opposite
 

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I'm reading Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang (Story of Your Life was adapted into Arrival). The book was not afraid to go beyond the depth of general sci-fi readers' comfort zone when it gets technical, and the author not only showed genuine understanding of the subjects (instead of brandishing materials gathered from a week-long-research), he would introduce it to the readers in an approachable way, then meld it with the human themes of the story.
I'm like 100 pages from the end of Acceptance, the last book in the Southern Reach (Annihilation) trilogy.

Iain M Banks is my favourite author but I've only got 2 culture books left so I'm going to read some of his non-culture sci fi and non-sci fi works soon. Dreading Amazon fucking up universe, I hate the fact Tech Bros seem to love referencing the Culture when their ethics are the polar opposite
Same way the American conservatives liked to invoke 1984. They looked at the words but they don't really read them.
 
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It's a shame that almost all intelligent scifi on television is cancelled prematurely.
It's almost like most viewers aren't smart enough to appreciate it.
 

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It's a shame that almost all intelligent scifi on television is cancelled prematurely.
It's almost like most viewers aren't smart enough to appreciate it.
With the continuing popularity of reality tv, I'd say that they aren't, or at the very least aren't willing to put the effort in to understand it.
 

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Liu Cixin's trilogy (with Three-Body Problem being the first book) completely blew my mind multiple times. The last half of the last book especially.

Does anyone have recommendations for something with similar big, universe-level ideas?
 
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Liu Cixin's trilogy (with Three-Body Problem being the first book) completely blew my mind multiple times. The last half of the last book especially.

Does anyone have recommendations for something with similar big, universe-level ideas?
Perhaps Blindsight or some of Stanislaw Lem's stories? He does truly alien aliens, and our first contact with such concepts, masterfully. Also maybe Vernor Vinge's The Peace War and Marooned In Realtime
 
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Loved Blindsight. Haven't heard of the rest...they're now on my list. Thanks!
If you're familiar with Solaris, Stanislaw Lem wrote the novel

Other recommended works from him would be Eden, The Invincible, Fiasco, Memoirs Found In A Bathtub, The Star Diaries, and The Cyberiad

The Cyberiad and Star Diaries in particular are great as audiobooks. Cyberiad is whimsical yet endlessly clever science fiction fables and fairytales with a lot of wonderful wordplay that is even better when you hear it aloud.
 
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