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Darkmark1987

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
322
Just starting chapter 4, what level should I be? Level 10 at the moment but feel like level increases a bit slow. not having any trouble though so guess my level is fine. :) any general tips to make sure I stay at a good level? Generally run through dungeons a second time before I fight the boss. Got s ranks on every dungeon to
 

Suiko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,931
I just finished the game and am in two minds about it.

On one hand, I generally prefer a happy ending than a sad one. On the other hand, I feel that the whole epilogue of a true ending - with its literal deus ex machina - is thoroughly unengaging. Also, "a boy who spends his whole life running away from loss learns to accept it" is a more interesting and coherent direction compared to "a boy who spends his whole life running away from loss manages to take back what he lost through sheer determination".

On a side note, the After Story is basically just an overblown excuse to keep Ryouta in the loop, isn't it?

I prefered the original ending, it just felt like how it should have ended given how shoehorned the other felt. The game hit me rather hard emotionally, especially that damn letter left in the school.

Ultimately it felt like a not quite Trails tier game with action combat, not quite as polished or as thought out as Trails in Cold Steel but still worth playing. Especially given the modern rarity of long-form character driven JRPGs.

I will say the translation was incredibly uneven, the main segments seemed to be translated quite competently, but it seems quite obvious it was a team translation (i'm sure due to the sheer amount of text) and some of the other parts of the game were very poorly translated. Especially the on the street conversations and general flavor text.
 

Kvik

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
889
Downunder.
I'll reserve judgement re:chara models until I have Ys VIII running on my PC. :-P

Taking screenshots a lot in this game, whew. 500MB and counting. Most of it was probably *Chortle*s.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,578
Man final chapter takes a while. Also a guide mentions there is a master core reward for finishing all the skateboard stuff. I did all perfects but didn't get anything?
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,578
The guide you're following is mostly a c&p job from the Vita one. You don't get a master core from skateboarding.
Got it.

About how much more game do I have for my first playthrough? Just did

the 3 pillars in final chapter

Ideally wanna finish this game this week. I know the PS4 version has some extra stuff at the end?
 

lunch

Member
Oct 26, 2017
192
I was talking to every single NPC, but 30 hours in at Chapter 7, something suddenly flipped and I just want to be done with the game. I might just blaze through it. It hurts to skip a lot of the sidequests and random conversations and furniture and whatnot.
 

Zhao_Yun

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,928
Germany
Just started Chapter 6. Am I already halfway through?
It's definitely the weakest Falcom game I've played this year, but although the combat feels less fluid than Ys VIII I am still enjoying my time with it thus far.
 

Zafir

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,009
I have to admit I'm on the
pillars
bit nearing the end and I'm just kind of wanting it to end at this point. xD Dungeons get really repetitive which is made even worse by the fact they decide to basically shove them one after another almost.

I've definitely enjoyed playing it, but I think there's quite a bit to improve for the next one. The dungeons and combat just feel a bit insulting after having played Ys VIII.
 

Taruranto

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,047
I'm around chapter 6, I'll probably finish it, but I'm not enjoying this anymore. Dungeons and combat are just dull and the story/characters are insultingly bad. They basically took a random LN and made it into a game, at least CS tried to spin things a little and it was built on Trails lore.

Probably one of the worst Falcom games I played.
 

Laur

Member
Oct 27, 2017
366
This game felt like a bit of a slog at times. That being said I really enjoyed following all the NPC stories, I only wish the main cast was as fun to watch.

The biggest problem for me was that the main plot wasn't very interesting. With these long JRPGs I kinda need that hook that constantly pulls me forward and makes me question whether I want to do side content or continue the main story line. I dreaded continuing the main plot in this game at times because I knew it would be followed by 20 minutes or so of fairly bland discussions.

That being said I still think this is worth playing if you're into falcom games as it scratches that same itch though not as well as either Trails or Ys in terms of story/world building and combat respectively. I look forward to the inevitable sequel where they've hopefully addressed a lot of the issues here.

The dungeons and combat just feel a bit insulting after having played Ys VIII

Yeah... the dungeons felt randomly generated even though they have fixed layouts.

Also the dodge system in this game was pretty unsatisfying at times. Perfect dodge a tornado... get hit by lingering tornado. :(
 

Zafir

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,009
Well TX did come before Ys8.
I mean I think I could argue that previous Ys games had more rewarding dungeons/traversal too. :P

Fundamentally, I agree with Laur in that a good number of them did just kind of feel randomly generated. There's a few dungeons tied to the critical patch which seem to have more thought put into them, but besides that they feel kind of generic, and sometimes they decide to just reuse the same style but change the colour... =/

Fortunately, they don't overstay their welcome too much at least which makes them more tolerable. Well, besides where I'm at now and they decide to throw dungeons back to back at you, especially laughable because they even reuse the same boss with a slight colour change. -.-
 

Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,768
So I'm midway through Chapter 5, and I'm sure this has probably already been discussed, but I just wanted to take a moment and start a list of character and plot elements that seem to be heavily inspired by Persona 3 and 4.

Like I said I'm in Chapter 5, where a mysterious fog just rolled into town and people are starting to... wait why does this sound familiar. Anyway the biggest similarities I've noticed are with the characters:

Mitsuki = Mitsuru. The beautiful, sophisticated student council president. Super smart and her family runs a very wealthy company. She even has her own devoted lesbian npc that follows her every move, just like Mitsuru. And their names are rather similar... lol.

Chiaki = Chie. Athletic, short brown hair. The dynamic between her and Sora feels very similar to Chie's initial jealousy of Yukiko. And their names... again.

Shio = Kanji. Personality wise he's actually much more cool-headed, but still... Blonde, tough guy, the whole gang-related storyline...

Yuuki = Yosuke. Ok this one's mainly just because of the headphones and hairstyle, but he's still kind of a more arrogant, anti-social version of Yosuke.

Rion = Rise. THE NAMES THO, lmao it's like they're not even trying to hide it. Popular bubbly high school idol. Check.

For the record I'm not trying to hate on the game. I'm actually really enjoying it. The combat's fun and just like the Trails series I enjoy talking to all the npc's, it's just kind of hilarious to me how many blatant similarities there are.
 

Scrooge McDuck

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,038
So I'm midway through Chapter 5, and I'm sure this has probably already been discussed, but I just wanted to take a moment and start a list of character and plot elements that seem to be heavily inspired by Persona 3 and 4.

Like I said I'm in Chapter 5, where a mysterious fog just rolled into town and people are starting to... wait why does this sound familiar. Anyway the biggest similarities I've noticed are with the characters:

Mitsuki = Mitsuru. The beautiful, sophisticated student council president. Super smart and her family runs a very wealthy company. She even has her own devoted lesbian npc that follows her every move, just like Mitsuru. And their names are rather similar... lol.

Chiaki = Chie. Athletic, short brown hair. The dynamic between her and Sora feels very similar to Chie's initial jealousy of Yukiko. And their names... again.

Shio = Kanji. Personality wise he's actually much more cool-headed, but still... Blonde, tough guy, the whole gang-related storyline...

Yuuki = Yosuke. Ok this one's mainly just because of the headphones and hairstyle, but he's still kind of a more arrogant, anti-social version of Yosuke.

Rion = Rise. THE NAMES THO, lmao it's like they're not even trying to hide it. Popular bubbly high school idol. Check.

For the record I'm not trying to hate on the game. I'm actually really enjoying it. The combat's fun and just like the Trails series I enjoy talking to all the npc's, it's just kind of hilarious to me how many blatant similarities there are.

Yar, most of the character archetypes in those three games are actually super common in anime, especially if you're merely seeking for skin-deep similarities (like, despite his appearance, Kanji's storyline isn't actually related to gangs at all).

Also, there are a lot of Student Council Presidents who are also heiresses of powerful families with devoted lesbian followers, huh. I can even name three off the top of my head. What's up with that.
 
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WicketW

Member
Dec 29, 2017
29
I just started this game and I'm liking it so far. I was definitely looking for something like Blue Reflection and this one fits the bill (if anyone has more suggestions, please let me know).

The port is pretty solid, although it seems like it's impossible to alt-tab without the game freezing completely for me. I would really like it if the developers added some graphic options. At the very least let us up the resolution on shadows and the depth of field. The DoF is especially horrible, like, what is the point of running it in 4k when the cinematics look like this?
XCL5a24.jpg
 

Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,768
I hate when you google something about a chapter and google's like btw HERE'S THE WHITE SHROUD'S TRUE IDENTITY. Maybe I'm dumb but I didn't suspect them at all. I'm still kinda shocked. lol
 

lunch

Member
Oct 26, 2017
192
Decided to throw in the towel at the final chapter because I just didn't have the energy to keep playing. If/when the game gets a sequel, I'll be there for that though. I did enjoy my time with it, and it's just a bummer to me that it felt like it kept going and going and going and never anywhere new or surprising. I liked the combat more than other people did it seems, although I got through most of the bosses on hard by just consuming tons of items.
 

Urthor

Member
Oct 28, 2017
167
Is it just me or does the PC version of this game have a ton of frame drops, apparently I'm getting a steady FPS with frame drops in the school with very low GPU utilization, and no hint of this game using a second thread. Honestly wish I could lock it to 30 fps but there's no option for that in the INI rip.

Seems to be extremely frequency bottlenecked on the CPU, a sign of a bad port.

Sales wise this game reminds me of Tyranny a lot, releasing a game in December is just an awful move for its sales in general because even your hardcore fanbase is generally playing the AAA releases and ignoring the really obscure titles. Unfortunately they had to release it before Danna got released otherwise nobody would play this instead of Danna.
 

Ascheroth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,656
Is it just me or does the PC version of this game have a ton of frame drops, apparently I'm getting a steady FPS with frame drops in the school with very low GPU utilization, and no hint of this game using a second thread. Honestly wish I could lock it to 30 fps but there's no option for that in the INI rip.
Are you running it in Borderless Windowed or Fullscreen? I found Fullscreen to be smooth as butter.
 

Einherjer

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,924
Germany
Is it just me or does the PC version of this game have a ton of frame drops, apparently I'm getting a steady FPS with frame drops in the school with very low GPU utilization, and no hint of this game using a second thread. Honestly wish I could lock it to 30 fps but there's no option for that in the INI rip.

Seems to be extremely frequency bottlenecked on the CPU, a sign of a bad port.

Sales wise this game reminds me of Tyranny a lot, releasing a game in December is just an awful move for its sales in general because even your hardcore fanbase is generally playing the AAA releases and ignoring the really obscure titles. Unfortunately they had to release it before Danna got released otherwise nobody would play this instead of Danna.

Dunno i was running it in 4k on a gtx 970 and there was not even a hitch throughout the game for me, perfectly stable at 60 fps. It sounds more like something is wrong on your end to me, could be that your card downclocks cause the game isn't very demanding maybe try high performance mode or something like that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,578
Finished the game. Honestly just wish the story was better. Like I don't get what the moral of the story is at the end. Like its giving me tales of graces vibes.

Like there really didn't seem to be any consequences making a deal with a god to bring back a dead person besides just a sorta easy boss battle? Also damn you game, make towa playable and not the other dude...
 

Basileus777

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,198
New Jersey
Man this game really didn't know when to end. Final Chapter, True Ending, Epilogue, After Story and most of them hitting the same beats over and over. There was enough here to be an pretty enjoyable 25-30 hour experience, but it gets stretched way beyond that. I don't know if the EX content actually made this game better.

I can't help but feel like this was a homeless man's Cold Steel. Even the music largely feels like tracks cut from the CS setlist. The stock LN urban fantasy setting, premise, and characters pretty much never break from the mold. Everything unfolds exactly as you expect and there is never any genuine tension. The MC Kou is basically nothing, he has no real personality or meat to him. The combat is serviceable, but wears thin over the course of the game, especially given how easy it is.

And I don't know what the localizers were thinking leaving all of those damn *chortles* in. My god.
 
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Zafir

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Oct 25, 2017
7,009
Man this game really didn't know when to end. Final Chapter, True Ending, Epilogue, After Story and most of them hitting the same beats over and over. There was enough here to be an pretty enjoyable 25-30 hour experience, but it gets stretched way beyond that. I don't know if the EX content actually made this game better.

I can't help but feel like this was a homeless man's Cold Steel. Even the music largely feels like tracks cut from the CS setlist. The stock LN urban fantasy setting, premise, and characters pretty much never break from the mold. Everything unfolds exactly as you expect and there is never any genuine tension. The MC Kou is basically nothing, he has no real personality or meat to him. The combat is serviceable, but wears thin over the course of the game, especially given how easy it is.

And I don't know what the localizers were thinking leaving all of those damn *chortles* in. My god.
I honestly wish it ended on the normal ending.

True ending just felt like some magical fix, to a problem that I don't even think needed solving. Shiori was an utter bore of a character, the plot actually made her interesting and then reverted it. The After Story tried to add some kind of "payment" for it, but fundamentally kind of failed because everything ended all perfect anyway.... *shrug* Well besides the sequel hinting, I guess.
 

Taruranto

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,047
I dropped it, the game simply wasn't fun. Maybe if the gameplay was good I would have tolerated the awful story, but it isn't.

And yeah, Kou is awful, he's not quite a masturbatory fantasy as much as Rean, but he's basically just another flavor of LN protagonist. I fear for the future of Falcom's MC at this rate, thank god Adol is mute.
 

TaleSpun

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,449
Yo, what's the prize you get for filling out all the NPC cards? Saw it mentioned in here earlier.

I'm pretty sure I'm not being thorough enough to get it, but I may as well know what I'm missing out on.
 

Lusankya

Member
Oct 27, 2017
601
Yo, what's the prize you get for filling out all the NPC cards? Saw it mentioned in here earlier.

I'm pretty sure I'm not being thorough enough to get it, but I may as well know what I'm missing out on.

You get a trophy for it.
Otherwise you'll get the best Fire Master Core for filling out most of it (don't know the exact number, like 70%+?) and speaking to one of the teachers during the final chapter.
 

ara

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,001
I dropped it, the game simply wasn't fun. Maybe if the gameplay was good I would have tolerated the awful story, but it isn't.

And yeah, Kou is awful, he's not quite a masturbatory fantasy as much as Rean, but he's basically just another flavor of LN protagonist. I fear for the future of Falcom's MC at this rate, thank god Adol is mute.

Mm, after taking a good break from the game and thinking about it I'd say this is more or less how I feel. I still want to run around and just speak to the NPCs, but I doubt I'll ever get to it. I could just skip all the main story easily, but the barely serviceable gameplay is my main sticking point.

I dunno, maybe I'll do a cheat run in the future where I really only focus on the NPCs. For now, all I can say is "massive disappointment".
 

TaleSpun

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,449
You get a trophy for it.
Otherwise you'll get the best Fire Master Core for filling out most of it (don't know the exact number, like 70%+?) and speaking to one of the teachers during the final chapter.

Oh, that's neat. Cold Steel did something like that, too. I've been talking to nearly everyone so far and I'm in chapter 5. Pretty sure I can hit 70%.
 

SantosStrife

Member
Oct 27, 2017
365
Man... people already finished the game and my import copy arrived today...

I don't know what I play first, I was playing casually Yakuza 0 (bought all the available games and this is my first) and trying to finish Ys Celceta in Nightmare, now I'm lost in my backlog because I still have YS VIII (waiting the patch on january 30), Tokyo Xanadu and a bunch of visual novels like Steins Gate and Nonary Trilogy Dissidia NT is around the corner too and it's my top priority!!! Help!!!

Guys I play Xanadu first or YSVIII? I saw people recommending Xanadu first because the battle system is more simple.

Reminder: I need to stop buying games at launch!!!
 

SolVanderlyn

I love pineapple on pizza!
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Oct 28, 2017
13,500
Earth, 21st Century
Man... people already finished the game and my import copy arrived today...

I don't know what I play first, I was playing casually Yakuza 0 (bought all the available games and this is my first) and trying to finish Ys Celceta in Nightmare, now I'm lost in my backlog because I still have YS VIII (waiting the patch on january 30), Tokyo Xanadu and a bunch of visual novels like Steins Gate and Nonary Trilogy Dissidia NT is around the corner too and it's my top priority!!! Help!!!

Guys I play Xanadu first or YSVIII? I saw people recommending Xanadu first because the battle system is more simple.

Reminder: I need to stop buying games at launch!!!
Xanadu will seem lacking if you play Ys first.

Ironically, the main plot is also better in Ys. Xanadu has great NPCs, though, just like Trails.

The story and characters in this game aren`t bad, per se, but rather aggressively mediocre. What you see is what you get. I don`t mean this in a derogatory way, but if I played this game at the advent of my high school anime addiction, when anime was still new and cool and different, I might have really liked it. As it is, it`s nothing special (and I`m also old and have outgrown certain storytelling tropes)
 

SantosStrife

Member
Oct 27, 2017
365
Xanadu will seem lacking if you play Ys first.

Ironically, the main plot is also better in Ys. Xanadu has great NPCs, though, just like Trails.

The story and characters in this game aren`t bad, per se, but rather aggressively mediocre. What you see is what you get. I don`t mean this in a derogatory way, but if I played this game at the advent of my high school anime addiction, when anime was still new and cool and different, I might have really liked it. As it is, it`s nothing special (and I`m also old and have outgrown certain storytelling tropes)

Thanks Sol, I really appreciate. I'll play Xanadu first.
 

isual

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
667
i want to get xanadu ex+ because i've heard good things about it.

so basically, it is high school RPG with social links?

i.e, is it more trails or persona?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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i want to get xanadu ex+ because i've heard good things about it.

so basically, it is high school RPG with social links?

i.e, is it more trails or persona?

It's Trails in a modern setting. The non-combat mechanics are basically identical to Cold Steel, so you have bonding points for your social link equivalent, and lots of NPCs to talk to.
 

Zhao_Yun

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,928
Germany
Is the After Story actually worth experiencing? Currently right in front of the Final Boss and I am kinda burned out on this game.
 

Ascheroth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,656
Is the After Story actually worth experiencing? Currently right in front of the Final Boss and I am kinda burned out on this game.
Yeah, it's important. But there's an epilog between the final chapter and After Story too unless you're talking about that : P
Maybe take a short break if you feel burned out, because there are still some hours to go.
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,102
I'm still on the fence with this game, I'm even considering playing it on vita since I feel that I will not enjoy it that much on ps4
 

Thoraxes

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,197
Gehenna
Is the After Story actually worth experiencing? Currently right in front of the Final Boss and I am kinda burned out on this game.
Yes it is, but if you're burnt out, don't feel the need to go into it immediately at all. It's short enough that you can just pick a random day in the future to go through it or something. It's basically setup in the form of breadcrumbs for whenever they get around to doing a future title, and some fun little fanservice of the cast goofing around.
 
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Zhao_Yun

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Oct 25, 2017
1,928
Germany
Alright, just finished the Epilogue and will probably take a short break before doing the After Story.

I think I would have liked the game more if I would have played it before Ys VIII since it's really lacking in comparison. I enjoyed my time with it, but it was a bit too long for it's own good imo.
 

Nightengale

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,708
Malaysia
Tokyo Xanadu was pretty decent. Originally released in 2015, it was Falcom's first "new-ish" IP in a while, basically blending part of Ys and Kiseki into an urban fantasy JRPG.

As a whole, it's a decent JRPG with lovable core cast, a nice story and an okay action gameplay component focused around short-burst dungeon clearing.

The biggest issue with TX is that it's a bit too derivative of Ys and Kiseki, but doesn't exactly blend the best parts of it, but rather come together in a way that feels Ys-lite and Kiseki-lite.

It has Kiseki's NPC and world-building, but by taking place in a familiar, urban setting, the layered mystique of Zemuria's world-building isn't present in TX. While the game hints at a deeper underlayer in that world, it is not explored in TX, but rather teased for sequels.

Its action combat, in structuring it to be more methodical than Ys, but confining it to a dungeon-based design makes the encounter, traversal and gameplay beats feel uninspired, even if there's nothing bad about it. It's short and tight enough to be fun, but it's not especially great compared to Ys, even the ones without a jump button.

But, Kiseki and Ys are two of my favourite franchises, and even a diluted experience of them combined still makes up for a great time. A sequel building off the foundation of TX, but with a more distinct identity instead of its current portmanteau of all things Falcom, would be great, not to mention a sequel that adopts a more matured look at the underworld of the Eclipse.

The XRC is great. I love Rion, Asuka, Shio, etc. Kou is not a favourite of mine, but that's because I feel that he's a bit too vanilla, with only his personality really showing in the last 2 chapters.

A small guilty pleasure of TX is how the game avoids harem-ing up Kou. Even though the game does ship-tease him with every girl to an extent, it's actually more overt in ship-teasing Sora/Yuuki and Shio/Mitsuki, and that was a nice surprise. It was one thing I wanted Cold Steel to have done better too. (Jusis/Millium doesn't count >_>) The game doesn't go deep in romance, but Rion/Asuka/Shiori actually feels like they went through the appropriate development that could had made them fall for Kou.

Also, Haruna and Reika are nice. Spika and the NPCs in general, are all pretty good.
 

Ascheroth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,656
The biggest issue with TX is that it's a bit too derivative of Ys and Kiseki, but doesn't exactly blend the best parts of it, but rather come together in a way that feels Ys-lite and Kiseki-lite.
One thing I want to nitpick here is that the dungeons feel more like Zwei-lite and not Ys/Kiseki-lite.
In Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection you also only fight primarily in dungeons, the doors at the end of a floor look the same and you also have a slot-machine at the end.
Difference is that the dungeons in Zwei have way more variety in terms of visual and are much better designed, with optional sub-bosses and puzzles.
 

Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,768
Just finished it. Really enjoyed it overall. I mean it's not at Trails level for me but it was a very solid jrpg. If they make another I'd totally be down for it, and the After Story certainly seemed to tease the possibility of a sequel...

I honestly wish it ended on the normal ending.

True ending just felt like some magical fix, to a problem that I don't even think needed solving. Shiori was an utter bore of a character, the plot actually made her interesting and then reverted it. The After Story tried to add some kind of "payment" for it, but fundamentally kind of failed because everything ended all perfect anyway.... *shrug* Well besides the sequel hinting, I guess.

I was thinking the same thing tbh.
For most of the game I kept wondering why Shiori was even a part of the story. Her character seemed pointless and I was sick of being reminded of her legendary "Childhood Friend" status. Then I felt guilty and a little stunned when the twist came that she was literally a living paradox that needed to be erased from existence to restore the world to it's natural order lol. There was meaning in her death though. Like, it was pretty touching when Shiori asked Asuka to look after Kou for her. I mean I'm not against a happy ending but yeah I didn't care for how easily they hand-waved her back to life.