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Current and former Quantic Dream employees denounce working conditions, toxic atmosphere
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For people who don't read French - she says the working conditions are very tough but she hasn't really seen any of the toxicity and that the work atmosphere was what enabled them to push through tough deadlines
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Same sentiment here, their 3 game contract will be up and with these allegations and other things about the studio I highly doubt they will sign another game. A good thing will be to sign Dontnod or Supermassive for these kinds of games.
You ever hear any stories from former Quantic Dream peeps at Dontnod?
ND denied it and people forgot about it because they make games that people like.
Nothing could be proved so the matter was dropped. There's a lot of evidence here though.
I mean, obviously the degree of fuckery is shocking, but I'm not at all surprised that the fuckery is there in the first place.
Taking this line I hope you don't watch any more movies, or buy pretty much anything considering Hollywood is shown to be a disgusting place as well as most big businesses that treat employees like shit, this isn't something specific to the gaming industry, its unfortunately a pretty mass scale issue.
This is the most insulting thing I've read in a while.
'tain, ces noms de fin de race. Quelle marrade.
I don't even get the Nazi 'joke'. What is the joke? That particular employee being far right and the photoshopper making fun of the employee for that ?
I only played Heavy Rain, but it came across quite racist and sexist. Guess I will have to skip Detroit even though the premise seemed interesting to me
Yes and no.
No, cause as i said before i don't want to minimize the situation, and i don't want to say what this people claim is false.
Yes because in wider terms , it's impossibile in a larger environment and lot of workers, no one have some issue with others, a colleague or a manager, even the boss. There are those who will say these are some jokes and just few didn't understand, and those who will claim the entire company is rotten.
Accuser was a man and the accused was a beloved studio so people treated it like this was the 70s or something.
Oh I'm quite aware that I have to do mental gymnastics to justify some of my media consumption. I'm just point blank highlighting the reality of it.
Oh ok. The Nazi jokes and abusive shit is just inside jokes and the company had done a terrible job in explaining that to new people.
Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
Massive eye roll
Wow. David Cage had several options on how to react to the situation and he chose one that ensures he won't see the good ending.
Your work has many particularly bad examples of racial stereotypes and sexism....
Being born in Morocco, I hear the joke David Cage did quite often. I've worked for 2 gaming companies (France & Germany), and I can't count the number of jokes like that I heard.
People think it's a joke, it's innocent, it's funny - but it's still racist and reinforcing the cliches.
As for David Cage, it is absolutely not surprising to see this, I know "don't judge a book by its cover", but most of his interviews and his demeanor were never good news.
In a company, you have a few employees (approx 5%) that are leaders/have some defined values and lead the pack. In the case of QD, if the leading employees are toxic as fuck, no wonder it has a massive impact on the rest.
Edit: regarding his "judge my work" answer, it is laughable and reminds me a bad joke in French about how supporters of the far right aren't racist because they know the clerk of a store who is arab/black.
People think it's a joke, it's innocent, it's funny - but it's still racist and reinforcing the cliches.
As for David Cage, it is absolutely not surprising to see this, I know "don't judge a book by its cover", but most of his interviews and his demeanor were never good news.
In a company, you have a few employees (approx 5%) that are leaders/have some defined values and lead the pack. In the case of QD, if the leading employees are toxic as fuck, no wonder it has a massive impact on the rest.
Edit: regarding his "judge my work" answer, it is laughable and reminds me a bad joke in French about how supporters of the far right aren't racist because they know the clerk of a store who is arab/black.
David Cage always comes across as entirely ignorant and obnoxious in interviews, so it wouldn't surprise me if this toxicity releases in to the working atmosphere around him.
Eh, I know you're joking, but pressers are soul crushing.
This is not the face who someone who will vouch for David Cage's ethics
Not gonna lie, amidst the sea of crap there is to read on this guy based on this thread, that line made me laugh way too hard.
While I absolutely hate everything David Cage has ever made, I respect him as a man with a vision. The kind of work he does, much like any "visionary" body of work, is exclusively born out of chaos. That the working environment in Quantic Dream is fucked up should come as a surprise to no-one. Look at Rockstar, look at Irrational, look at the making of any classic album, film or book. Works driven by powerful people with singular visions are fueled by insanity. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but always to the detriment of the people the creator surrounds himself with.
As for the racist and homophobic remarks, I have no idea. Maybe DC is just a huge asshole.
As for the racist and homophobic remarks, I have no idea. Maybe DC is just a huge asshole.
I'm currently reading the Mediapart article, which is much longer than Le Monde's. Holy crap at the working conditions, Cage's personality and the legal shenanigans when firing employees
A couple of the images they Photoshopped of employees as a "gag" and passed around the office.
There are some NSFW images, too.
Source?
Mediapart draws an interesting portrayal of David Cage, a bit more qualified than you'd expect (depending on who's talking, obviously)
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/ec...tre-les-errements-d-une-pepite?page_article=3
Did a quick translation:
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/ec...tre-les-errements-d-une-pepite?page_article=3
Did a quick translation:
This, im brazilian and every time i travelled, mainly US, i heard that old joke of "so, do you live in a forest and have a monkey?"
Its insulting and a disgusting thing to do.
But to stay on topic, well, from what i read it seems like 70% of big game companys have toxic eviromments, its a inssue that needs to be put in check, and publishers are responsable for this.
I think that most gaming companies are toxic because managers aren't proper managers. They have been put there due to an accomplishment in game development or something else, not because of their prowess as managers. Of course, some are REALLY good, but it's not the vast majority.
< Some employees denounced racist or homophobic jokes inside the teams or even inside the top management. One of them describe a scene where, after watching a video of a recorded robbery, David Cage jokingly asked an employee from Tunisia "Are they one of your cousins?". David Cage responded "You want to talk homophobia? We work with Ellen Page who is fighting for LGBT rights. We are working with Jesse Williams about civil rights in the USA. Judge my work.">
So are you alt-right or liberal, Cage?
It doesn't matter ultimately, if these statement amount to be true, you deserve to be called out for these garbage views.
So are you alt-right or liberal, Cage?
It doesn't matter ultimately, if these statement amount to be true, you deserve to be called out for these garbage views.
Not saying Sony's behaviour is/will be right, but there's a ton of a difference between these two situations: RDR2 will no doubt sell tens of millions of games and be a very good game, while Detroit probably will struggle to sell enough to justify the cost and won't be much of a game if it's anything like the previous two. Plus, I believe QD simply is much more identified as being king of a Sony company (and yes, I know they're not owned by them), so any bad PR they're generating is coming back to them much more directly than whatever stuff Rockstar is up to.
So what I'm trying to say: Kepping a deal with Rockstar is surely much more important for Sony than keeping QD on payroll.