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I think this is a bit misleading - I and plenty of others would have been plenty satisfied with what you described. Dark Dawn took a bunch of blundering steps backwards from the GBA games on things ranging from swapping the highly-praised sprites for ho-hum 3D models to points of no return that made djinn missable to a complete gutting of the puzzle dungeon difficulty the games were known for to trying to cram eight new characters into one game instead of four and four like in the prior two - you could barely get to know anybody since they all competed for basic characterization time.
It's not urgent but the sales expectations seem super high without a game like this. Maybe 2D Mario but the only game that can top Zelda and Mario is Pokemon.
I think people are massively underestimating Nintendo's 1st half 2018 lineup (assuming everything that was announced will come out before E3).
Keep in mind that a huge portion of the Switch's install base didn't own a WiiU, So most of these games are essentially new games to a solid portion of Switch owners. In the first half Nintendo have announced a new Mario game, a new Kirby game, a new DK game, a new Bayonetta game and the definitive edition of a Zelda game which will likely sell extremely well given the success of Mario Kart 8D. Throw in known evergreen games like Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Splatoon and the Switch is still looking like an incredible value proposition. especially with solid 3rd part support starting to arrive
Keep in mind that a huge portion of the Switch's install base didn't own a WiiU, So most of these games are essentially new games to a solid portion of Switch owners. In the first half Nintendo have announced a new Mario game, a new Kirby game, a new DK game, a new Bayonetta game and the definitive edition of a Zelda game which will likely sell extremely well given the success of Mario Kart 8D. Throw in known evergreen games like Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Splatoon and the Switch is still looking like an incredible value proposition. especially with solid 3rd part support starting to arrive
I should clarify that anything I post here is just educated speculation - not insider knowledge. Because this is a speculation thread about first party titles.
Appreciate the insight, I'm a little late to this whole thing so I just wanna add my 2 cents...I can totally see Prime, Bayo and even Pokemon being 2019 titles.
But I kind of have a hard time seeing Animal Crossing getting pushed to 19 or later, if as your saying it's early in development. The last mainline game was 5+ years ago, and the last 2 spinoffs were both released in 2015. Considering the sales history of AC on portable devices, (10M+ on each) you would have to imagine Nintendo knows full well the market impact the game can have. And considering what they want to do with paid online, AC can easily be one of the big ticket names to get people to purchase that service.
I think it's very possible the Wii U got a spinoff game and not a mainline game (the only Nintendo console to not get one), because by 2014 Nintendo knew the NX was going to be their future and potentially shifted the production of that project. I imagine Animal Crossing is always planning for their next game, and I doubt Nintendo would let huge a potential cash cow like that to be an after thought for the switch.
But my thought process is also based on me thinking Pokemon will be 2019 and not 18.
When you say 20 million, are you 20 million units total or 20 in a year?
I think it's a good idea to have bold, black text at the top, saying:
Disclaimer: All speculations! Or bust!
Realistic do m you guys think that Aonuma's comment about a thief game will ever come into fruition or might it just serve as the basis for the next Zelda?
If the current line up for the first six months of 2018 for Switch stays the same, I don't see it reaching the 20 million forecast Nintendo wants for Switch's second fiscal year unless they are saving some big hitters the latter half of this year and early 2019.
Personally, I'd sooner expect it to be a major element in the next Zelda or spin-off as opposed to a new IP but I'd much prefer the latter. I wanna see some BIG new IPs out of Nintendo, like on the level of Mario, Zelda, Smash, and Pokemon, and it being a new IP means they don't have to deal with any expectations or baggage from any previous franchise and can have a bit more freedom for how they make their game
New IP. I doubt Nintendo would have kept pushing Aonuma to make something new only to just turn it into another Zelda. And it wouldn't fit in with their current trend:
- Animal Crossing peeps > Splatoon
- Mario Kart peeps > ARMS
WarioWare would be an ideal have for the versatility of joy cons. Wonder if Nintendo are working on it.
I'd love to see a new IP from Aonuma, as I think he's brilliant, but he actually followed those comments up by saying he'd prefer to continue working on Zelda.
With that said, Aonuma has a tendency of answering questions like a politician. There's a chance this is BS, though it does sound definite. Edit: If it's true, then he's probably planning to implement his ideas into a new Zelda, like you said.
I feel Pokemon, MP4 and Bayo 3 are all 2019 titles, let them all have adequate time to cook. 2018 could easily be filled with deluxe ports of Smash 4 and Mario Maker alongside a Pikmin 4 and even the latest projects from Retro and Next Level Games.
That would be a solid year in my eyes, add to that 3rd parties, Indies and whatever form the VC takes and that's a stacked year
That would be a solid year in my eyes, add to that 3rd parties, Indies and whatever form the VC takes and that's a stacked year
i hope so, would have preferred it to be a lunch title instead of 1 2 switch to showcase the joycons.
Mario Kart sold extremely well because it's Mario Kart. Pokken has seemingly sold worse than it did on the Wii U, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hyrule Warriors goes that way as well. It might overtake the Wii U version sales eventually, but musous are pretty niche and I don't think Fire Emblem Warriors has done especially well either.
Mario Kart is definitely its own thing. I was just using it as an example of a successful deluxe edition. Obviously selling well is a statement that has different expectations depending on the game it is describing. I just think that the current infatuation with the Zelda IP combined with an extremely accessible game should see good results.
i think it has already oversold the wiiu version in japan, i would be very surprised if if doesn't pass the wiiu version's worldwide LTD pretty soon.
edit: as of this week, famitsu numbers
[WIIU] Pokken Tournament (Pokemon Co.) {2016.03.18} - 72.502 / 164.852 (173.494 with digital +8.642)
[NSW] Pokken Tournament DX (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22} - 51.960 / 191.761 (207.794 with digital +16.033)
I think Pokken is actually selling better in the Switch, at least going by Japan sales.
Edit: ^ Yeah, like the above poster says.
With Yoshi, Kirby and Donkey Kong the same year, I do not see the sense of a 2D Mario so soon. A Luigi's Mansion 3 can easily sell 4 million and gives more variety
Regarding Game Freak Have you seen that they are hiring a lot of people?
And about Golden Sun: It's literally a game that they split into 2 because it didn't fit in a cartridge
You have to take that into account when talking about budget
Regarding Game Freak Have you seen that they are hiring a lot of people?
And about Golden Sun: It's literally a game that they split into 2 because it didn't fit in a cartridge
You have to take that into account when talking about budget
Not really. 3D models were expected from the DS at that point and in fact that's the only thing that Camelot was willing to update since everything else stayed basically the same. In the original GBA games there were also points of no return (I remember quite clearly that I missed a few Djinns because of it). The puzzles in DD were fine, there were hardly the biggest problem with the game. About the characters, let's be honest, GS never had the most complex cast, they were fine and likable enough but not really deep so there wasn't much of a downgrade in that regard.
And that's without mentioning things that Camelot SHOULD have updated like visible encounters and avoid points of no return at all cost.
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endless ocean ...open air .......... oO :D
just say open world. "open air" is not nintendo-speak for open world, it was a specific term for botw that also addressed its look. no need to force it on other nintendo games.
This is where I stand.
I'd love to see a new IP from him, but I just doubt it.
like, all of them. it's completely missing the context since all of these mini directs were single-game focused and were followed up by a normal direct shortly after. which is completely not the case with this scenario here where we had a fully-packed first and thirt party mini-direct that essentially contained as much announcements as many regular ones in the old days. people hanging their hat on that theory are just desperate to ride the hype train again without actually spending a second to think about the whole thing.
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 2
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario Bros 4: Super Mario World
New Super Mario Bros (5)
New Super Mario Bros Wii (6)
New Super Mario Bros 2 (7)
New Super Mario Bros U (8)
so you mean 9
Super Mario Bros = 2D Mario
OK, An open world Endless Ocean game that includes Jetski's and other context appropriate vehicles would be great.
Edit: Though if whoever makes it could borrow BotW's weather simulation tech that would be cool
So Retro doing the Tropical Freeze port. Also is this team actually as big. I noticed on Wikipedia Monster Games co developed Tropical Freeze on Wii U.
With Mario Tennis Aces coming out, I guess Camelot is busy with that. It should be a easy game to develop as they are likely to be using Ultra Smash Tennis from Wii U as a base. I guess my prediction of Mario Strikers sequel by Next Level games to coincide with the Word Cup won't happen as I doubt Nintendo will release 2 Mario Sports games in the same year. This leaves me to believe Next Level Games is working on Luigi's Mansion 3 for Switch and I'm expecting a early 2019 release date for that.
Alot of people expected a ton of games to be released by first party on Switch consistently as portable Devs and console Devs are working on 1 system. But people need to realise 3DS games are easier and much faster to make than a HD game. All the number of 3DS games won't translate to the same number of Switch games. HD development will always take longer. Remember we 3 mainline Final Fantasy games on NES, SNES and PS1. Then 2 on PS2. And one of PS3.
With Mario Tennis Aces coming out, I guess Camelot is busy with that. It should be a easy game to develop as they are likely to be using Ultra Smash Tennis from Wii U as a base. I guess my prediction of Mario Strikers sequel by Next Level games to coincide with the Word Cup won't happen as I doubt Nintendo will release 2 Mario Sports games in the same year. This leaves me to believe Next Level Games is working on Luigi's Mansion 3 for Switch and I'm expecting a early 2019 release date for that.
Alot of people expected a ton of games to be released by first party on Switch consistently as portable Devs and console Devs are working on 1 system. But people need to realise 3DS games are easier and much faster to make than a HD game. All the number of 3DS games won't translate to the same number of Switch games. HD development will always take longer. Remember we 3 mainline Final Fantasy games on NES, SNES and PS1. Then 2 on PS2. And one of PS3.
70-man studio, so a port shouldn't take up all of their time.
Aren't they also a support studio. They helped out with Mario Kart etc.
so you want Endless Wave Race, basically. Might as well complete the triforce and throw Steel Diver into the mix :D
They only helped with 7. That's literally the only game they gave any support on.
PS3 had three full-scale mainline FFs. And one MMO. PS2 had the same. Random numbers at the end are irrelevant here for the argument you're trying to make about dev resources.
They're not. They helped with the DK course in MK7 because it was based on their game and that's literally it.
I'd like to show that image to anyone claiming Pokémon will be early 2019 release. Just no. Holiday 2018 or 2019.
I see people say this a lot, but every bit of evidence I can see suggests it's not true. The vast majority of Switch owners I know in my personal life, as well as the ones I see posting on forums, previously owned a Wii U.
Now I will say as time goes on and Switch continues to sell well that is obviously going to change, as the Switch has already matched the Wii U install base. I'm just saying that in year one, I think the percentage of Switch owners who never owned a Wii U is pretty low.
switch has or will in a few months pass lifetime wii u sales. so even if everyone up to now has been wii u owners (which is ridiculous) from now on they all will be those who haven't played any wii u games.
Yeah. If neither Pokémon nor Animal Crossing drop then it's not happening. Smash alone isn't going to make it happen.
Well the bar in this discussion isn't "everyone". The person I was responding too said the percentage of Switch owners who never owned a Wii U was "huge". I know "huge" is an undefined percentage, but I think it's still overstating things.
That...is not good evidence of anything other that you hang around people who buy/discuss Nintendo systems. Anecdotal evidence is not good evidence, especially when we are talking about millions of units
Here's some more anecdotal evidence: I'm the only one who bought a Wii U that I know, and same goes for Switch. Switch won't sell a single more unit when it hits Wii U ltd. :)
I don't agree here :)
New SMB can be considered a spin off to the main 2d Saga for a lot of reasons.
I think Super Mario Bros 5 would work well as a title.
Obviously it should be justified (new engine, new graphics and music).
I want so bad a well done, brave and big budget 2d mario :(
they can't use 5 anyway since 4 was only forced onto the JP release and used nowhere else.
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