it obviously failed because of wiiu, not because of it's quality. but even then, compared to 3d world, smash and mario kart its drop in transitioning from wii to wiiu was kinda unexpected.
i expect the switch port to do 2-3 millions minimum
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i expect the switch port to do 2-3 millions minimum
They asked Criterion to make a new F-Zero during the lead up to the Wii U so they aren't categorically opposed to it. It has a lot of baggage associated with it though, I can see them giving EPD 5 a Wave Race or Excite before an F-Zero just to avoid the backlash that would emerge from a non-excellent version of that, for example.
Also I feel the OP needs a big "MONSTER ARE MAKING NASCAR GAMES NOW" in red letters at this point.
I think they have a big direct in February, maybe. Talk about online, 3DS, 3rd party switch games. They can also use it as a focus on Kirby and Bayonetta to get people hyped for those.
I don't think they wait till March for a their first major direct of the year.
Can totally see a FE direct, with a reveal of the switch game.
Smash 4 Ultra or deluxe verison would still be very attractive to most smash fans. Smash in any form is a good sell, considering a decent amount of Switch owners didn't play the Wii U version.
I'm fully expecting at least 2 big online games, whenever they roll out paid online, and a Smash port fits the timeline.
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Koizumi did mention that we should expect a non-traditional IP and more new things in the future. I'm leaning towards that being a brand new IP, but with the way the Switch has been going and the idea of going back to your roots being so prominent, I don't think you can actually rule out an F-Zero style game coming back.
Why would it be someone else all of a sudden? The group numbers just denotes the producer (with a few main leads). All the other people come from the big EPD pool as needed anyway.
Honestly. I'd Rather they revive Endless Ocean as an open air game and include riding/racing Jet Ski's as a side activity
On Smash:
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Pokkén Tournament DX have undoubtedly encouraged Nintendo to port more games to the Switch. They're easily going to outsell the original releases, and the same thing would be true for Smash Wii U if they decided to do a simple port. Switch is not a gigantic leap from Wii U when it comes to hardware, so building a brand new Smash game from scratch seems like a complete waste of resources.
However, there's no way it's going to be a simple port. They've added new content to all their ports, and the same will hold true for Smash. One of the key strengths of this franchise is the hype it generates when it comes to new character reveals. This is naturally something they want to bring back as they can keep hyping up the game on a frequent basis. That is also the reason why they've historically announced Smash early. It's an easy way to keep fans engaged and excited for a long period of time. So, we'll get our Inkling, we'll get our Spring Man regardless of the nature of the game.
It was touched on a bit on the last page, but I think instead of asking ourselves if it's going to be Smash 4 or 5, I think a more interesting question would be: How are they going to brand it? I don't see them marketing this as a port like they did with MK8DX. No matter how many assets they reuse, they will position it as a new game.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Pokkén Tournament DX have undoubtedly encouraged Nintendo to port more games to the Switch. They're easily going to outsell the original releases, and the same thing would be true for Smash Wii U if they decided to do a simple port. Switch is not a gigantic leap from Wii U when it comes to hardware, so building a brand new Smash game from scratch seems like a complete waste of resources.
However, there's no way it's going to be a simple port. They've added new content to all their ports, and the same will hold true for Smash. One of the key strengths of this franchise is the hype it generates when it comes to new character reveals. This is naturally something they want to bring back as they can keep hyping up the game on a frequent basis. That is also the reason why they've historically announced Smash early. It's an easy way to keep fans engaged and excited for a long period of time. So, we'll get our Inkling, we'll get our Spring Man regardless of the nature of the game.
It was touched on a bit on the last page, but I think instead of asking ourselves if it's going to be Smash 4 or 5, I think a more interesting question would be: How are they going to brand it? I don't see them marketing this as a port like they did with MK8DX. No matter how many assets they reuse, they will position it as a new game.
the list of nintendo games i want remastered/ported to switch is so long, mostly because it will also give us portable versions of previously console-only games at the same time. i'll take basically any decent nintendo game released on gamecube, wii and wiiu for the switch even with just a basic resolution bump.
Do you have an example of a mini which was not followed up to support that? Or preferably more than one? Keep in mind that this does count instances where one market gets a mini and then another market gets a full direct.
I do hope Camelot is given another chance this gen to finish Golden Sun's story. The cliffhanger at the end of Dark Dawn was just terrible.
I guess it all depends on how Camelot handles the upcoming Mario Tennis. I really want a new Golden Sun but I don't want it with Camelot's recent level of quality.
I mean, if they do decide to come back to Golden Sun I doubt they'll try to tie it too closely to an 8+ year old game that sold significantly short of a million.
i don't think fans will be happy if they make a new golden sun game and don't resolve the cliffhanger (which i have no idea what it's about since i haven't played any of the games but still, when there's a cliffhanger you expect it to get resolved in the next entry)
The best solution for a new Golden Sun is probably as a Nintendo x Warriors collaboration.
Nintendo could give it a low to medium budget and use it to recap the series so far. They could also budget it to sell on the strength of the Mousu genre alone as that would mitigate some of the risk of reviving a mostly forgotten IP
Nintendo could give it a low to medium budget and use it to recap the series so far. They could also budget it to sell on the strength of the Mousu genre alone as that would mitigate some of the risk of reviving a mostly forgotten IP
there arent enough people who give a shit about Golden Sun to warrant a crossover that people dont give a shit about unless it's a higher profile IP (like Zelda or One Piece)
Golden Sun's best chance is a reboot. or, if they want to follow up Dark Dawn, do it in a way that newcomers dont have to play the previous 3 games
I pretty much said this in my previous post. I basically said. "Not that many people care about Golden Sun, but enough people will buy any Nintendo Mousu that Koei Tecmo could make a low budget entry with the Golden Sun IP and still make a nice profit"
If the Mousu is successful in raising brand awareness then Nintendo can go about commissioning a team to remaster/remake some of the existing games. If its unsuccessful in raising brand awareness Nintendo still get some good PR from the enthusiast community for giving the IP another chance. Especially if the Mousu comes across as a love letter to the franchise
I'm not 100% sure what about the response to Fire Emblem Warriors would make you believe this. That's a game using an IP much more prominent than Golden Sun that's currently, today, this week, being outsold by Super Bomberman R in Japan.
i don't really think this is a good idea, to bring back a dead franchise as a musou game. fans will see it as a "fuck you" instead of a "love letter"
The only way Nintendo can successfuly promote Golden Sun is putting Isaac or a new protagonist from the series in Smash.
Other than that, the chances are low.
Other than that, the chances are low.
In general Camelot needs to get back on their feet. They aren't what they used to be. Mario Tennis Aces seems to head in the right direction, and if it's successful, maybe they could do the same with Golf too. And once that's out of the way I could actually see them return to Golden Sun. The fact that the home console and handheld are now one and the same means they have to do something other than Tennis and Golf eventually.
Koei Tecmo were apparently extremely happy with FE Warriors sales and are bringing a whole bunch of Warriors games to the Switch. For whatever that's worth.
http://nintendoeverything.com/fire-emblem-warriors-sold-through-50-of-its-initial-shipment-in-japan/
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/blog/2017/10/28/koei-tecmo-extremely-happy-switch-game-sales/
Anecdotally i think the PR angle for Golden Sun is a much easier sell then FE Warriors. Fire Emblem's revived fortune stemmed around people growing very fond of specific characters, and given the series age that means that there are a lot of characters people were fond of. This manifested as a lot of negativity in the lead up as people started to get upset about their favorite characters not making it into the game. There also seemed to be some minor controversy about their being too many Sword users.
With Golden Sun, just the very nature of reviving the IP should be enough to generate good publicity. The response to the revival of Shenmue 3 seems an apt comparison. The majority of modern players have likely never played the first 2 games (or had even heard of the IP before Sony's E3 presentation). Yet thanks to a small but vocal group who loved the first two games, Shenmue 3 is riding a huge wave of good publicity and will likely sell well providing the game is good.
Good PR, Dedicated fans championing a beloved IP all over the internet and a genre with a sizeable dedicated audience. That's a reasonably safe bet assuming the title would have a small development budget.
It's true that a good chunk of Nintendo's big releases are coming in 2019. But I don't remember implying anything about Pokemon missing this year.
Honestly, I don't know a lot about Pokemon.
My impression right now is that Metroid Prime 4 and Animal Crossing are still very early in development.
Edit: This is only educated speculation since this is a speculation thread. I'm not posting any insider knowledge. I don't know when Animal Crossing or Metroid are releasing.
nintendo (and probably camelot) just mishandled this franchise. looking at the sales of GBA games, both the original and it's sequel were million sellers, and surprisingly, the only new IP from nintendo that sold 1+ milion on GBA (unless you count mario+luigi or mario vs donkey kong). the fact that they didn't immediately continue the series on the DS with a good game instead of waiting 8 years and releasing a game that (apparently) many fans didn't like is kinda bizarre. it could have turned into a decent RPG series for them to have and now it would have been a good candidate for a switch RPG from nintendo.
edit: actually, if you don't count "finding nemo" and "the incredibles", golden sun was the only new IP on GBA that sold more than 1 million copies.
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Luckily though, Retro Studios will be able to deliver the big Holiday game of 2018 and Nintendo won't have the embarrassing "our big holiday game is Smash 4 again" Q4 2018.
.... Hopefully :/
It's always tough to be in the minority that admire any game series that has been long silent. Kid Icarus fan here, I get it.
That said, I feel really positive about Nintendo's first party potential right now.
Anything is possible, and the best part is we don't have to wait 4 years after they show something.
2018, Pokemon and Metroid for Switch. Believe.
That said, I feel really positive about Nintendo's first party potential right now.
Anything is possible, and the best part is we don't have to wait 4 years after they show something.
2018, Pokemon and Metroid for Switch. Believe.
Advance Wars needs to be brought back, it's been too long!
Out of interest, with how well the Switch is selling, how long do you think it will be until releases a Switch 2? I'm sure it will have a longer lifespan than Wii U but I wonder how long they will stretch it out.
Out of interest, with how well the Switch is selling, how long do you think it will be until releases a Switch 2? I'm sure it will have a longer lifespan than Wii U but I wonder how long they will stretch it out.
i expect a "switch pro" type of device in 3 to 4 years, with the original still being able to play all the games and be sold alongside the pro as a cheaper alternative.
Game Freak making a AAA HD RPG in like two years seems impossible unless they just don't care at all about the production values.
maybe they expect the current lineup to sell the console, considering that so far they have had shortages so they think if they produce enough they'll be able to sell them. i don't expect pokemon for 2018. other than what we know is coming, i expect their big 2018 game to be animal crossing and one more game we still don't know about.
pokemon won't be released in 2018 AND it won't have the high production values some people expect. i think people who are expecting "botw but with pokemon" will be massively disappointed. it'll be 3DS pokemon+ with better models and higher res. i just don't see how gamefreak of all devs will suddenly become capable of delivering what people are expecting.
Realistically, I'm expecting it to probably be very much like the 3DS games but with higher quality assets. At least for their first attempt for the Switch.
I don't think you're foolish at all.
It's really crucial that Nintendo gets Pokemon released by holiday 2018. They need a major title for the holidays.
Game Freak's employee count is not very good for a AAA HD RPG and they finished their last major project only a year ago.
Making AAA HD RPGs on an engine and system you've never used before in two years of dev time seems extremely hard unless the game is, uhh, very not ambitious.
So now it's up to Retro to save the Switch's Holiday 2018 obviously /s
Considering pre-US/UM, we were all perfectly fine with a third Sun/Moon version being the series's big Switch debut I really think this will probably be the case. Major innovations will probably come in Gen 9. This has usually been the case for systems that got two Pokemon gens. The first gen lays the groundwork and the second one experiments more.
Game Freak could easily outsource a lot of the development if there's enough of a drive to get it done by this holiday.
We will see if they can find partners to help them do that. I don't know how much they've outsourced before or how much they've worked with Monolith Soft in the past.
I'd love Animal Crossing to be 2018, but I somehow feels that them specifically mentioning Pokemon hints to me that at least they're aiming hard to release it for holidays 2018 (I understand that it is also to ease fans' worry for Pokemon Switch).
I agree. Nothing screams system seller than a brand new Pokemon game. I honestly think that's all they need for 2018. Ports and smaller IPs are great, I just don't see them driving sales that much.
IIRC USUM was heavily outsourced.
Though I'm not sure if they'll do the same for Switch Pokemon.
And as for employee count, they did an interview where they said USUM was handled by younger staff on the team while veterans are working on Switch game.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-for-switch-is-helped-by-ultra-sun-and-moon/1100-6454169/
Pokémon XY are a pretty clear indication that Game Freak doesn't give a rat's ass about production values.
If I were to do Golden Sun 4, I would make it a nostalgia game like Project Octopath Traveler. The beautiful sprite work was a big reason why people loved the originals, so build on that with beautiful HD sprites that make people reminisce about playing the old GBA games.
I think I recall reading a while back that when they jumped to 3D the first time they had several hundred people working on the development of the game. So I'm sure a lot of work is handled outside of Game Freak itself. That said unless they started production prior to the original release of Sun/Moon, I can't see them having it out before 2019.
the only way that's gonna happen is if Nintendo abandons the first three games and start completely fresh
I'm expecting an HD Vita-tier game. if they cant even do that, they arent worth shit
I dont expect that to even sell on part with Golden Sun 1. there just arent that many people nostalgic for Golden Sun. it was a 1M+ seller back then, but now? are those people even still playing RPGs?
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