I'm the same with the exception of Infinifactory. That's the one zachtronics game that didn't rapidly ramp up into impossibility for me, and actually stayed quite approachable the entire way through.
I found shenzen to be pretty easy actually, they leave so much space on those boards that you can experiment a lot. Be sure to understand all the "hidden" commands like @ and gen.
Zach says it's his best game, i couldn't stand it a few minutes. The camera gives me nausea and the 3d presentation is simply confusing compared to the 2d semplicity of TIS, shenzen, spacechem and the others.
I would actually advise against what the other guy said and definitely vote for Infini, as its the best to pick up and play for people who like the idea of these games, but couldnt quite get into them. Infini is easier and the 3D approach makes it more graspable for many.
Aha that's fine, i can't possibly get mad at someone with a spacechem avatar. I guess i don't really like first person games, but i thought 2d was inherently simpler?
The advantage of 3D is that the process to get from input to output was much more intuitive. I think part of the reason is also a placebo effect with the chemistry the, but Infini is just like adding building blocks (Lego), which people seem to have an easier time understanding.
I really really love the patch, and the certificate is cool, although it looks like it has faded a lot.
Hey Falk! Good seeing you here.
Theoretical minimum is 19 cycles, which someone has also achieved.
This seems pretty good to me. Faster than most of the people on my friends list, and only 10g more expensive.
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Just about the smallest possible footprint I think, not particularly fast though.
Does the game get actually harder as it goes on? I really don't like how Zach games are focusing more and more on pointless (for me) optimization instead of providing a challenge like spacechem and TIS used to do
I was actually thinking about this earlier. Its actually the worst "offender" in that regard, while at the same time being the best application of that focus. I currently lean towards this being the easiest Zachtronics game (previously Infini), due to the fact that it has 2 layers of infinity, one for the endless amount of commands and one for the actual space to build stuff on.
As i was reading your message i was thinking maybe i should ask him to friend me on Steam. Same username as here, SCommunity link is actually Alexalder_
Added you, curious to see what you think of the game after going back and going for some highscore goals, because some are quite devious.
I can't even choose if i want to try beating you by cost or cycles... too many choices grrr
I was actually most interested in cycles but now that i'm really focusing on optimization it really feels weird having no initialization and no "functions", but i may be missing something. Definitely more interesting though
I'd love to have more Zachtronics fans to compete with, in this game or whatever they think of next.
Thank you!
I've added you now :)
I've actually been thinking of creating an OT for games such as Zachtronics' games, if people are interested. But I am not sure what you'd call the it to make it recognizable.
I've certainly found myself optimizing for cycles as I discover my solutions as opposed to area or cost. Following the path of least resistance, I suppose.
