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Hindl

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Looking at the "PS4 too", you're probably right.

When you actually consider that like 95% of people bought their PS4 to play 3rd party games, I would say the PS4 had a great year, because it actually had real 3rd party support.
I think the PS4 also had a compounding problem of coming after the PS360 generation, which dragged on forever. And that prolonged lifespan caused problems. Sure, people were waiting for the new machines in 2013 to get better graphics (although TLoU PS3 looked phenomenal). But they were also waiting for new machines so they could get new innovative games and new game styles. And for the first year of the PS4, they mostly got the same third party games that they could've gotten on their old console, except they looked prettier. So people were starved for that "new" experience, and with the PS4 it took a while for that to arrive. So yes, even though you're right that many people were getting the PS4 in that first year for 3rd parties, Sony 1st party's slow start might've caused more of a backlash when they went through the usual beginning of the console life portfest.

The Switch, meanwhile, is a fundamentally cool piece of hardware that lets people play their games in a different way, and it launched with a stellar first party Nintendo lineup. So now that they're slowing down for a year, it's more acceptable. Alongside that, since it launched mid-gen it gets compared against the libraries of PS4/Xbox which hurts it, but it doesn't have this pent up demand for "new" experiences like the PS4 had when it launched. People just want the experiences they're already getting on the Switch too. Then add in the portability, and even games that I personally wouldn't reconsider double dipping on on other consoles become more appealing

Edit: Just for clarifications, when I say new experiences I don't mean new IPs. I mean new experiences in the way that open world games have become a lot more ambitious with these new consoles since they have more power available to them.
 

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I never had a PS3. When I got PS4, the first games I bought were Last of Us and Uncharted Remastered Collection.

Practically no one had a Wii U. I think those people will be very happy.

As for myself, I will probably buy Donkey Kong Country again, and maybe Bayonetta too. The portability is a big thing, also the fact that Wii U was a very bad console that I never want to use again.
 

Kokusho

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While I'm not interested in most of them, I don't find this to be an issue.

I'm pretty sur it doesn't come at the expence of new game (it's almost always external studios that handle the ports) so it doesn't bother me.

Plus with the unique portability of the switch, the new market it's reaching and the fact that the Wii U sold so poorly I think that porting games to the Switch makes quite a lot of business sense and profit to a lot of owner.
 

Wowfunhappy

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That's a good point, but I was thinking more about the development costs. A port has maybe 10% of the budget the original game had (took the number out of my ass). And they sell it for 10$ less.

But I definitely see your point as well.

I get that. I think it's worth focusing more on the original development budget though. The port is just making that existing game accessible to more people.

An upgrade program would be nice for people who bought the original game already, since we already paid for the original. But then, I think it's primarily just crazy people like us who actually double dip.
 

Suede

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Switch port threads merged as we had posters talking about essentially the same topic in four different threads.
 

orthodoxy1095

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Heres another way to look at it

They got through MK8, Pokken, Bayo Series, Hyrule Warriors, Tropical Freeze in less than 2 years

Did a new Splatoon and Yoshi

Whats left to port?

Pikmin 3
Captain Toad
Xenoblade X
TMS


Theres a handful of games left to port over and Switch has years of life ahead... I wouldn't trip honestly
I think this is how I feel. They're porting stuff, stuff that I already owned (minus like I dunno, Bayo?), but they're pretty much getting it out of the way, so whatever.

Get it out of the way and just give me my sweet Animal Crossing already.
 

Joeytj

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Oct 30, 2017
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I don't think it's too port heavy or that's a bad idea [I was going to post this in one of the multiple threads about this]. My friend just bought a Switch after waiting months because he was afraid of leaving his Wii U games behind, but is glad many are coming to the Switch.

And he loves Dark Souls as well.

The reality is that the Switch needs games and Nintendo has a console few people bought but full of good games that can be presented to the customers as new, while they work on new games for the Switch.
 

Cybersai

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We definitely need a Pikmin 3 port. I also expect 3D World/Captain Toad bundle coming sometime next year to fill a gap.

I'd also be surprised if Paper Mario Color Splash doesn't get a second chance. The game was sent to die on Wii-U.
 

Hieroph

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If anything, porting to switch is the first time a port actually adds something dramatic.

Portability.

So the fact that there are a bunch of games you couldnt play anywhere, that you now can, is always a good thing

Oh wow, first time portable Hyrule Warriors! Before now I couldn't play it anywhere!

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Personally, I hate the handheld excuse. Was it really so hard to make Hyrule Warriors 2, a sequel to a 2014 game? Or an actual new fucking Donkey Kong, instead of porting the fucking 2014 Donkey Kong?
 

exodus

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Heres another way to look at it

They got through MK8, Pokken, Bayo Series, Hyrule Warriors, Tropical Freeze in less than 2 years

Did a new Splatoon and Yoshi

Whats left to port?

Pikmin 3
Captain Toad
Xenoblade X
TMS


Theres a handful of games left to port over and Switch has years of life ahead... I wouldn't trip honestly

Other than those, I'm mostly looking forward to Wind Waker HD and Mario 3D World.
 

Smashwidget

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Oh wow, first time portable Hyrule Warriors! Before now I couldn't play it anywhere!

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Personally, I hate the handheld excuse. Was it really so hard to make Hyrule Warriors 2, a sequel to a 2014 game? Or an actual new fucking Donkey Kong, instead of porting the fucking 2014 Donkey Kong?
It would be harder than porting the game, yes. Especially Donkey Kong.
 

mas8705

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Honestly, I feel like the only people that would be taking offense to the idea of Nintendo porting Wii U games to Switch would be those who got them on the Switch first (alongside with any DLC that came out for it).

At least in the case of these ports, they are doing more than just a straight 1:1 port. Not sure about Bayonetta, but there were more racers in MK8D, More fighters in Pokken DX, the 3DS content in HD that people wanted in Hyrule Warriors, Funky Kong in DKTF, and BotW is BotW (and since the Wii U and the Switch versions came out same day, I'm not coming this as a port).

If anything else, I'd like to look at this from the idea of it being win-win. Either you missed the Wii U, and here's your second chance to enjoy these games you missed, or if you did play these on the Wii U, you get to experience the games again with them running better than ever with additional content. At this rate, there is only one other notable game that people want to see get the port treatment, and I probably don't have to say which game it is since alot of people apparently were upset that there was no "Smash" related news in a "Mini Direct."
 

Wiggles

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Oct 28, 2017
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Leaving the Wii U argument aside, ports and remasters are nothing but a good thing for this industry from both monetary and preservation perspectives. In the film industry there is zero pushback against restoring content and releasing it in better quality for consumers. There's an odd sense of entitlement among a subset of gamers who feel they deserve only brand new content and never re-releases of old content. Part of it I think stems from an idea that because effort is being put into ports, it somehow means less is being put into new products. This ignores that projects can have downtime granting idle employees freedom to work on ports, as well as the realities of enlisting outsourced help. Porting can be done in as little as a few months by a couple of people depending on the game and provides work for already established QA and localisation teams. The returns are more often than not well worth whatever effort is needed to port.

Ports also fill the voids in spotty release schedules. Without those ports releasing, I would bet that people would complain even more that there are zero games to play. In the hierarchy of release importance: a brand new game > a port (usually with improvements) >>> no game at all.
 

Maximo

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No problem with ports, just they are not porting stuff I want, where is my Zelda remaster bundle Nintendo!
 
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it is good and while they are at it they should port 3ds and wii games as well.

kinda funny how everything comes full circle, i still remember the early days of ps4/x1 and how we had that vocal minority whining about how many ports and indies they got. now that their favorite console of choice gets the chance they cant stop jerking at the ports/remasters/indies coming
 

Altera

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I'm in the boat of they're going overboard with ports. I want new games on the Switch, not ports of games that probably have better versions elsewhere.

If Nintendo's 2018 Switch plans are ports, ports, and more ports, then that's pretty disappointing after how great 2017 was for it.
 
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I'm in the boat of they're going overboard with ports. I want new games on the Switch, not ports of games that probably have better versions elsewhere.

If Nintendo's 2018 Switch plans are ports, ports, and more ports, then that's pretty disappointing after how great 2017 was for it.

They announced Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Kirby All Stars, Tropical Freeze, Mario Tennis Aces and Metroid Prime 4.

Count the amount of ports.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Now I'm praying for a Star Fox port with the gimmick controls ripped out and the game reworked a bit. W101 would also be a nice port to have.
Thanks to some other games already being ported, a reworked Star Fox Zero is now number one on my WiiU port wish list.

I'd also love to see Metroid Prime Trilogy ported over, which would also take some work with the controls.
 

Altera

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Nov 1, 2017
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Probably all of them but either Metroid or Pokémon...
Considering we've seen nothing of Metroid, Pokemon, or Fire Emblem, I'd be very surprised to see any of them this year.

So counting those out we have Kirby and Mario Tennis...yay.

I'm not saying nothing else is coming that hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm just basing my opinion off what we know now, that being the Switch is becoming too much of a port machine and not enough new content. Again, as of now.
 
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Considering we've seen nothing of Metroid, Pokemon, or Fire Emblem, I'd be very surprised to see any of them this year.

So counting those out we have Kirby and Mario Tennis...yay.

I'm not saying nothing else is coming that hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm just basing my opinion off what we know now, that being the Switch is becoming too much of a port machine and not enough new content. Again, as of now.

Fire Emblem is still slated for this year, and we could see Pokemon in 2018 as well. Metroid is the real wild card here, that's more likely a 2019 release.
 

JehutyRunner

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Oct 26, 2017
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Now we're getting Bayonetta 1 and 2 next month, just give me a Tokyo Mirage Sessions port Nintendo and your commitment has been fulfilled in regards to ports at least to me.
 

Altera

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Fire Emblem is still slated for this year, and we could see Pokemon in 2018 as well. Metroid is the real wild card here, that's more likely a 2019 release.

We'll see. Again, I'd be surprised to see any of them. Sounds like they're trying to rush Pokemon into creation, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's a 2019 release, in fact, I expect it. Metroid is a 2019 release at the earliest, wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see that until 2020.
 

Neiteio

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I feel like Xenoblade Chronicles X has a good shot at being ported. That game must've been a HUGE investment and a TON of work. Who knows if they recouped their costs on WiiU. But the Switch... It'd be a great way to pad out a release calendar, especially following XC2.
 

Raijinto

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Switch port threads merged as we had posters talking about essentially the same topic in four different threads.

I thought I had somehow missed this one thread where all the discussion was taking place and got very confused for a second there. Thanks for the clarification lol.
 

Master Chuuster

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I don't get why people are making such a big fuss. It's a great way to play some awesome games on a new system, a handheld no less, and it's not even like the Switch is reliant ports. It would have been a problem if the Switch's library sucked if not for ports, but even if we take the ports and remasters out of the equation, the Switch still has a shitton of awesome games.
 

Raijinto

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We'll see. Again, I'd be surprised to see any of them. Sounds like they're trying to rush Pokemon into creation, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's a 2019 release, in fact, I expect it. Metroid is a 2019 release at the earliest, wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see that until 2020.

They're trying to rush Pokémon into creation... so you think it will take significantly longer than any reasonable estimate has put it at?

Baring something catastrophic it will be coming out at 2019 at the very, very latest. You do know the last new Pokémon games came out in 2016 right? This isn't a franchise where new instalments take *4* flipping years...

You blatantly contradict yourself and it leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

SgtCobra

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Altera

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They're trying to rush Pokémon into creation... so you think it will take significantly longer than any reasonable estimate has put it at?

Baring something catastrophic it will be coming out at 2019 at the very, very latest. You do know the last new Pokémon games came out in 2016 right? This isn't a franchise where new instalments take *4* flipping years...

You blatantly contradict yourself and it leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about.
So they didn't put any work into the Ultra games and have just been sitting around since Sun and Moon came out? I'm sure a Switch Pokemon game will take a little bit more effort than a 3DS one, if it's going to take advantage of the boost the Switch hardware provides over the 3DS in any meaningful way.

2019 is the most likely unless it ends up being just a rush job or they get some extra help making it. I don't consider a year of development time a "reasonable estimate" for a core, console quality Pokemon game. If you do, cool, but I don't.
 

Fat4all

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it's taking RE4 too long to be ported

I need to buy it for the 9th time
 

chrisPjelly

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While I don't mind the ports at all (half of my Ps4 games are ports lol), I can't imagine this will be enough to be sell 20 million Switches. Nintendo's ace card HAS to be Smash. Smash carried Nintendo for an entire year before, and they could EASILY drip feed the hype throughout the year. Maybe Pokemon, but I can't imagine Gamefreak being ready before 2019, and I think people need more breathing room between the recent releases.
 

DPT120

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While I don't mind the ports at all (half of my Ps4 games are ports lol), I can't imagine this will be enough to be sell 20 million Switches. Nintendo's ace card HAS to be Smash. Smash carried Nintendo for an entire year before, and they could EASILY drip feed the hype throughout the year. Maybe Pokemon, but I can't imagine Gamefreak being ready before 2019, and I think people need more breathing room between the recent releases.
This is just the first half, up to E3. There's still stuff like Bayonetta(which wasn't in the Direct). Fire Emblem and Yoshi are releasing this year. There are going to be other games that release as well after E3.
 
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So they didn't put any work into the Ultra games and have just been sitting around since Sun and Moon came out? I'm sure a Switch Pokemon game will take a little bit more effort than a 3DS one, if it's going to take advantage of the boost the Switch hardware provides over the 3DS in any meaningful way.

2019 is the most likely unless it ends up being just a rush job or they get some extra help making it. I don't consider a year of development time a "reasonable estimate" for a core, console quality Pokemon game. If you do, cool, but I don't.
US/UM were done by a separate team at Game Freak. The main team has probably been working on the Switch entry since at at least fall 2016, they were one of the first developers to get development kits.
 

Raijinto

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So they didn't put any work into the Ultra games and have just been sitting around since Sun and Moon came out? I'm sure a Switch Pokemon game will take a little bit more effort than a 3DS one, if it's going to take advantage of the boost the Switch hardware provides over the 3DS in any meaningful way.

2019 is the most likely unless it ends up being just a rush job or they get some extra help making it. I don't consider a year of development time a "reasonable estimate" for a core, console quality Pokemon game. If you do, cool, but I don't.

Yep you don't know what you're talking about if you think that GF only started to develop the game this year.

Like we don't even know much about the game but it's obvious from what little we do know that they started developing it last year at least. In the E3 presentation they said that GF were developing it in the present tense. That came directly from the Pokémon Company too.

So now unless you're going to call them liars you're welcome for the correction. The game has been in development for a while now.

EDIT: ^ affirmative to the above too.

EDIT no2: "has begun developing" were the exact words. It literally doesn't get more definitive than that. And that was 7 months ago!
 

Altera

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US/UM were done by a separate team at Game Freak. The main team has probably been working on the Switch entry since at at least fall 2016, they were one of the first developers to get development kits.
Sure doesn't sound like it based off what was said in the E3 announcement, that being "GameFreak has begun developing a core RPG Pokémon title on Nintendo Switch,". Not Gamefreak is in the middle of development, or anything like that, but Gamefreak has BEGUN development. So no, I find it pretty unlikely they've been working on it since 2016 based off that.
 

Raijinto

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Sure doesn't sound like it based off what was said in the E3 announcement, that being "GameFreak has begun developing a core RPG Pokémon title on Nintendo Switch,". Not Gamefreak is in the middle of development, or anything like that, but Gamefreak has BEGUN development. So no, I find it pretty unlikely they've been working on it since 2016 based off that.

Is English not your mother tongue? That's the only way you could misinterpret that phrase as something other than what it actually means like you have done as far as I can understand.

It means the game development has commenced. No ifs, buts, or maybes.
 

Altera

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Is English not your mother tongue? That's the only way you could misinterpret that phrase as something other than what it actually means like you have done as far as I can understand.

It means the game development has commenced. No ifs, buts, or maybes.
Is reading comprehension difficult for some? They used that phrasing for a reason, they're very early on in development and have recently started. They would have used different phrasing if they were further into it. LIke we've been working on Pokemon for the Switch, we're deep into development, but nope, just development has BEGUN. Hence, the beginning. If they had been working on it for a decent amount of time they would have had something more to show than a guy talking into a camera announcing it exists. A Metroid Prime 4 level trailer, or even a logo. But nope, the game had just BEGUN development, so the best they could do is a guy talking into a camera. That's not usually how games get announced, you know?

And yep, you're sure right. It does mean the game has BEGUN development. No one is denying that. Thanks for pointing that out though.
 

Nav

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I will be honest, it kinda sucks as a Wii U enthusiast. But it makes sense from a business standpoint. The diehard fans who owned a Wii U are the most likely to support Nintendo no matter what and double-dip. And these games are so good they deserve a wider audience.

What I don't like is having to replay the whole game just to get the extra content. I just don't have that much time to replay games a lot. I wish I could somehow transfer my save data over, then check out the bonus stuff.