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Vault

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nier can't keep a solid framerate on PS4 let alone the switch
 

The Last One

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Oct 25, 2017
10,585
Final Fantasy XV should be on Switch, FFXII should've been on both Xbox One and Switch and NieR Automata should've been multiplatform as well. Kingdom Hearts III should've been on Switch. Secret of Mana remake should've been on Switch. KH 1.5 + 2.5 should've been a Switch year 1 game.

It's good third party support but there are still no reasons for these big games to be missing the platform.

These are really big profile games that pushs a lot of tech and Nier.

Yeah, I think they could get to run Nier on Switch but at 30fps maybe?

Edit: Oh and FF XII, KH and Secret of Mana, these could run without any problem on Switch.
 

salromano

Mr. Gematsu
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
2,924
Dragon Quest X
Dragon Quest XI
Dragon Quest Heroes I
Dragon Quest Heroes II
Dragon Quest Builders 1
Dragon Quest Builders 2
Romancing SaGa 2
Teslagrad
I Am Setsuna
Lost Sphear
Black the Fall
Secret of Mana Collection
Implosion: Never Lose Hope
Spelunker World
Voez
Fear Effect Seda

Project Octopath Traveler
The World Ends With You: Final Remix

That's only currently year 1 announced, that's an insane amount of support from Square Enix and yeah we usually see big support from SE on Nintendo handhelds but seeing how the Switch is also Nintendo's console, it's great and it reminds me of the SNES era.

What you think?

Teslagrad, Implosion: Never Lose Hope, and Voez aren't Square Enix titles.

Also, while Square Enix publishes Black the Fall and Fear Effect Sedna through the Collective branch, credits for a Switch version go to the actual devs. They're the ones who chose which platforms to release their games on.

Anyway, I find it weird that Square Enix doesn't know how to publish physical Nintendo games in the west. The only Switch titles they've published here are I Am Setsuna, Spelunker World, and the upcoming Lost Sphear, which are all digital (Lost Sphear has a retail version, but it's Square Enix Store-exclusive). Dragon Quest Builders, Project Octopath Travelers, and The World Ends With You: Final Remix are all being published by Nintendo.
 

Deleted member 11008

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Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
6,627
It lack FF, but I hope they repeat the initiative from the GBA era to bring the old games, just now not limited to the NES and SNES games.

It would lovely see the Dragon Quest remakes from the NDS and 3DS, too.
 

Phoenom

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
1,303
Can't wait for TWEWY, I'm hoping it sells well and we get a sequel.

Given the recent rumours of a Nintendo-supported TWEWY sequel in the works, this version is very likely building up interest for the series. Like releasing a port of DQ Builders 1 for the sequel later this year.
 

zephyrcian

Banned
Nov 17, 2017
1,481
Pc got it late so maybe

FFXII's issue isn't about running. It's the fact that it's a console exclusive. And all modern FF games come to PC after their PS counterparts. So that's not really a surprise. Some games just are not going to come to this system due to exclusivity reasons and power reasons. People just need to realize and accept that. Ocotpath isn't coming to PS4 just like how Dissidia: Final Fantasy NT isn't coming to Switch.
 

asd202

Enlightened
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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not joking. Octopath Traveler is a new IP that has never been on any other platforms. Final Fantasy has been on multiple platforms (all of them actually), Mana has been on Nintendo platforms, NieR has been on multiple platforms, Kingdom Hearts has been on pretty much all platforms, etc.

Aside from that, this is fucking 2018 not 2007. Do you know how much easier and cheaper cross-platform development is these days? Creating UI that scales from platform to platform, scaling different things depending on platform, even optimization is way easier. It's just a case of performance optimization and changing the button inputs, most of the other stuff can be easily done by using scaling systems which many modern engines support.

If it so easy why not port Octopath Traveler to other consoles and PC as well? Because it's a new IP what a total nonsense.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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FFXII's issue isn't about running. It's the fact that it's a console exclusive. And all modern FF games come to PC after their PS counterparts. So that's not really a surprise. Some games just are not going to come to this system due to exclusivity reasons and power reasons. People just need to realize and accept that. Ocotpath isn't coming to PS4 just like how Dissidia: Final Fantasy NT isn't coming to Switch.
I was trying to remain optimistic for some ppl shh. I'm sure they'll announce more exclusives for Switch as time goes on anyway it's not even a year old

If it so easy why not port Octopath Traveler to other consoles and PC as well? Because it's a new IP what a total nonsense.
Yea gonna leave that alone clearly some bias going on here
 

Hybris

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not joking. Octopath Traveler is a new IP that has never been on any other platforms. Final Fantasy has been on multiple platforms (all of them actually), Mana has been on Nintendo platforms, NieR has been on multiple platforms, Kingdom Hearts has been on pretty much all platforms, etc.

Aside from that, this is fucking 2018 not 2007. Do you know how much easier and cheaper cross-platform development is these days? Creating UI that scales from platform to platform, scaling different things depending on platform, even optimization is way easier. It's just a case of performance optimization and changing the button inputs, most of the other stuff can be easily done by using scaling systems which many modern engines support.
The cognitive dissonance here is astounding...
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,796
Sweden
I'm not joking. Octopath Traveler is a new IP that has never been on any other platforms. Final Fantasy has been on multiple platforms (all of them actually), Mana has been on Nintendo platforms, NieR has been on multiple platforms, Kingdom Hearts has been on pretty much all platforms, etc.

Aside from that, this is fucking 2018 not 2007. Do you know how much easier and cheaper cross-platform development is these days? Creating UI that scales from platform to platform, scaling different things depending on platform, even optimization is way easier. It's just a case of performance optimization and changing the button inputs, most of the other stuff can be easily done by using scaling systems which many modern engines support.
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zephyrcian

Banned
Nov 17, 2017
1,481
I was trying to remain optimistic for some ppl shh. I'm sure they'll announce more exclusives for Switch as time goes on anyway it's not even a year old

Haha sure but optimistic isn't the same as realistic. Don't get them excited for nothing. But as I said originally and constantly, Square is going to give Switch the usual support it gives Nintendo handheld/consoles. But people just never listen...Spin-offs, offshoots, and random stuff. It's essentially 3DS2 and people should expect that kind of support going forward. Asking for these other form of games that have ties to PlayStation are unrealistic. And all the other games are just not suited for the platform since the system isn't powerful enough. (FFXV/KH3/NieR,etc.)

With that said, I'm full expecting TWEWY2 after the enhanced port announcement today. And hopefully a new Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced cause it's been awhile. Maybe a new Crystal Chronicles too.
 

Braaier

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
13,237
I doubt we'll see Octopath on the PS4 or Xbox One. Doesn't seem like a good fit for either. It screams old school SNES rpg.
 

Deleted member 2793

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The type of game they're bringing over makes it seem that they're treating the Switch as a follow-up to the 3DS more than other Japanese publishers.

Personally, I'm very happy with that.
This is very funny as their 3DS support was kinda weak in comparison to DS. But yeah, great to see. This is the type of game I want from them.
 
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Meelow

Meelow

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Oct 31, 2017
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Haha sure but optimistic isn't the same as realistic. Don't get them excited for nothing. But as I said originally, Square is going to give Switch the usual support it gives Nintendo handheld/consoles. Spin-offs, offshoots, and random stuff. It's essentially 3DS2 and people should expect that kind of support going forward. Asking for these other form of games that have ties to PlayStation are unrealistic. And all the other games are just not suited for the platform since the system isn't powerful enough. (FFXV/KH3/NieR,etc.)

With that said, I'm full expecting TWEWY2 after the enhanced port announcement today. And hopefully a new Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced cause it's been awhile. Maybe a new Crystal Chronicles too.

But Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts also have strong ties to Nintendo as well, the former starting on NES.

I think they are looking into FFXV on Switch and Square said that a Switch version of KH3 could happen after the PS4/One versions release.
 

Abriael

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,605
Milano - Italy
Final Fantasy XV should be on Switch, FFXII should've been on both Xbox One and Switch and NieR Automata should've been multiplatform as well. Kingdom Hearts III should've been on Switch. Secret of Mana remake should've been on Switch. KH 1.5 + 2.5 should've been a Switch year 1 game.

It's good third party support but there are still no reasons for these big games to be missing the platform.

Octopath should stay exclusive to Switch forever but that's just because that makes sense. But for example FFVIIR should be multiplatform on all platforms (PC/Switch/PS4/XBO)

It's funny how lately some people seem to think that developers have the obligation to port all of their games to Switch, including those that the console's weaker hardware probably can't support without a lot of reworking and downgrading, but they also think that Switch games that all platforms can run without breaking a sweat shouldn't be ported the other way around.
 

brambles13

Member
Oct 27, 2017
546
Is DQXI confirmed for the West on Switch? I would love FFXII on Switch, it would quickly become my most played game on the console but I doubt it will happen. Probably some sort of exclusivity deal going on there. Either way I think Octopath Traveller will be a great game and that is coming soonish.
 

pulga

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Oct 26, 2017
2,391
In for FFXII coming to Switch, I've been holding out on buying it for PS4.
 
Oct 28, 2017
144
The cognitive dissonance here is astounding...
Yeah I actually wonder why any port of a third party Nintendo handheld game doesn't get a PC/PS4/Xbox version in addition to a Switch port. They can't even use the handheld excuse because the Switch is a console too. Stuff like Ace Attorney or the numerous Square games definitely deserve a wider audience.
 

The Last One

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not joking. Octopath Traveler is a new IP that has never been on any other platforms. Final Fantasy has been on multiple platforms (all of them actually), Mana has been on Nintendo platforms, NieR has been on multiple platforms, Kingdom Hearts has been on pretty much all platforms, etc.

Aside from that, this is fucking 2018 not 2007. Do you know how much easier and cheaper cross-platform development is these days? Creating UI that scales from platform to platform, scaling different things depending on platform, even optimization is way easier. It's just a case of performance optimization and changing the button inputs, most of the other stuff can be easily done by using scaling systems which many modern engines support.

Did you just make an excuse to the Octopath's exclusivity but complained about other games not being on Switch? lol
 

SixtyFourBlades

Teyvat Traveler
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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean sure, it's very good third party support, but the switch is still missing (unless it's just unannounced at the moment) some of the big products: Final Fantasy & Kingdom Hearts. And I'm not talking about spinoffs. I'm talking about entries in the mainline series.
 

VeePs

Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
17,369
Given the recent rumours of a Nintendo-supported TWEWY sequel in the works, this version is very likely building up interest for the series. Like releasing a port of DQ Builders 1 for the sequel later this year.

Bro WHAT!?!? Nintendo supported sequel? Sounds awesome, do you have a link?
 

fiendcode

Member
Oct 26, 2017
24,925
Not enough.

Portbegs
Arkanoid Vs Space Invaders
Bravely Collection (Default + Second)
Dariusburst Chronicle Saviours
Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
Final Fantasy XIV Online
Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions
Groove Coaster
NieR: Automata
NieR: Gestalt + Replicant
Pictologica Final Fantasy
Romancing SaGa 3
Space Invaders Extreme 1+2
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (Wheel of Fate)
Theathrythm Final Fantasy: All-Star Carnival
Wizrogue: Labyrinth of Wizardry

Westbegs
Collection of Mana
Dragon Quest X Online
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Dragon Quest Heroes I & II
 

Deleted member 2793

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It's amazing but all it takes is one game not making it and they'll get called out for some reason
I don't think so. They have many games not available for Switch like FFXV and Nier Automata and people are mostly fine with it. Koei Tecmo too has many games for Switch, but not the new DW and no one really complains about it as they have actual support for the system. People complain about other companies that do really have bad support.
 

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
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These are just the scraps so far too. I expect bigger announcements later this year at the big shows
 

zephyrcian

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Nov 17, 2017
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But Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts also have strong ties to Nintendo as well, the former starting on NES.

I think they are looking into FFXV on Switch and Square said that a Switch version of KH3 could happen after the PS4/One versions release.

I never said anything about FFI-VI. Those will happen. Not really. FF has stronger ties to PlayStation. VII-XII are all console exclusive to PS systems. As are all the major FF spinoffs, including the main FFT, Dissidia, etc. The KH games are interesting because the reason it's not on X1 is because KH1/KH2 are PS2 exclusives. And that goes back to the Sony exclusivity shares they had in Square back in the day. So that's the reasoning about 1.5/2.5/2.8 being on PS only, the reason they're not on PC is on Disney. Also there's a PS4 collection rumor this year with all the remasters so there's further proof for you. So, that's not correct.

And they aren't looking into FFXV with Switch. It was shot down immediately due to power constraints. At best, expect the PE. And KH3 isn't happening unless, again, a PE or some other form exists. I'm sure a KH spinoff is going to happen though, but don't expect KH3.

Keep your expectations in check and expect 3DS levels of support and you'll be happy. At best expect ports of FFXIII and its trilogy. And that's just me being realistic.
 

Rychu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,262
Utah, USA
KH3, NieR, and FF15 were/are designed for platforms that have much higher performance capability than the switch, no? Let's not pretend that it couldn't potentially take a lot of effort to port down those games.
Sorry but if DOOM can be ported to Switch at a good performance level (albeit at a low resolution and granted it did probably take a lot of optimization work) I refuse to believe that KH3 can't be ported, especially since it uses Unreal Engine 4, the PERFECT engine for cross-platform development.

I'll give you FFXV because of the Luminous engine which is supposedly painful to work with but I will not accept that with KH3.

If it so easy why not port Octopath Traveler to other consoles and PC as well? Because it's a new IP what a total nonsense.
If you think it's nonsense, try seeing things from my perspective. The only time I believe in exclusives is when it's a first party game OR it's a new IP, or in very rare cases, when one of the first party studios are funding the game. This belief applies to all three big platforms.

If Octopath Traveler 2 was on any of the other platforms and Octopath Traveler 3 was exclusive to Switch 2, I would have the same issue with it because the previous game would be multi-platform and the sequel is not. If it's a new IP, I have no expectation for it to be a PS4 exclusive, a Switch exclusive, a Xbox One Exclusive or a multiplatform game because it's never been released before.

Octopath because it's a new IP, has the right to be exclusive because it's a new franchise with no existing ties to other platforms. It could also be multiplatform but that's not my expectation because I have no expectations.
 

Emka

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Oct 27, 2017
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Final Fantasy XV should be on Switch, FFXII should've been on both Xbox One and Switch and NieR Automata should've been multiplatform as well. Kingdom Hearts III should've been on Switch. Secret of Mana remake should've been on Switch. KH 1.5 + 2.5 should've been a Switch year 1 game.

It's good third party support but there are still no reasons for these big games to be missing the platform.
Octopath should stay exclusive to Switch forever but that's just because that makes sense. But for example FFVIIR should be multiplatform on all platforms (PC/Switch/PS4/XBO)

Every games not on the Switch should come to the Switch, but every games on Switch should stay exclusive forever, period.
No bias at all or anything.
 

Vault

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah your setting your self up for disappointment if you expect FF15 or Kingdom Hearts 3

The Toy Story Trailer made Kingdom Hearts seem way out of the Switchs power
 

h8bit

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Oct 26, 2017
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has DQXI been officially announced for the west? I'm a recent convert to the series and I would love to play one on switch.
 

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Sorry but if DOOM can be ported to Switch at a good performance level (albeit at a low resolution and granted it did probably take a lot of optimization work) I refuse to believe that KH3 can't be ported, especially since it uses Unreal Engine 4, the PERFECT engine for cross-platform development.

I'll give you FFXV because of the Luminous engine which is supposedly painful to work with but I will not accept that with KH3.


If you think it's nonsense, try seeing things from my perspective. The only time I believe in exclusives is when it's a first party game OR it's a new IP, or in very rare cases, when one of the first party studios are funding the game. This belief applies to all three big platforms.

If Octopath Traveler 2 was on any of the other platforms and Octopath Traveler 3 was exclusive to Switch 2, I would have the same issue with it because the previous game would be multi-platform and the sequel is not. If it's a new IP, I have no expectation for it to be a PS4 exclusive, a Switch exclusive, a Xbox One Exclusive or a multiplatform game because it's never been released before.

Octopath because it's a new IP, has the right to be exclusive because it's a new franchise with no existing ties to other platforms. It could also be multiplatform but that's not my expectation because I have no expectations.
You should stop with this. Octopath has as much "right of being exclusive" as FFXV or KH3 have the right to skip the platform. Square Enix has good supports for all systems and games like XV are just not being ported to Switch because it can't run it, not because SE thinks Switch owners don't like FF.
 

tiebreaker

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not joking. Octopath Traveler is a new IP that has never been on any other platforms. Final Fantasy has been on multiple platforms (all of them actually), Mana has been on Nintendo platforms, NieR has been on multiple platforms, Kingdom Hearts has been on pretty much all platforms, etc.

Aside from that, this is fucking 2018 not 2007. Do you know how much easier and cheaper cross-platform development is these days? Creating UI that scales from platform to platform, scaling different things depending on platform, even optimization is way easier. It's just a case of performance optimization and changing the button inputs, most of the other stuff can be easily done by using scaling systems which many modern engines support.

Yes. Octopath and TWEWY should also be multi. See how easy it is to port? No reason for leaving money on the table.
 

Rychu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,262
Utah, USA
Every games not on the Switch should come to the Switch, but every games on Switch should stay exclusive forever period.
No bias at all or anything.
Not every. I'm not expecting Persona 6 to come to Switch or anything, I expect that to be PS5 exclusive.


But what I'm saying is that Octopath Traveler has no existing ties to other platforms as a new IP meaning I have no expectations on what platform it's on, if it's announced as a PS4 exclusive, an Xbox One exclusive, then fine, it's a new IP with no existing ties. The other games have been on multiple platforms in the past and are suddenly exclusive to platforms.