Okay, if you don't like the word "fantastic" we can say they both looked good.
What I was pushing back against was the idea of Fromm costing UGA the game. If we want to talk about costing the game, I'd put that on the officials.
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What I was pushing back against was the idea of Fromm costing UGA the game. If we want to talk about costing the game, I'd put that on the officials.
I'd say Tua was ~good. Fromm was...OK. There were definitely a few calls that hurt UGA. But, from my chair, the big difference was the quality of play calling for UGA in the 2nd half. After being so creative and feeling like he was a step ahead of Bama in the 1st half, I felt like Chaney went into a shell a little bit in the 2nd half and UGA became pretty predictable.
Alabama claiming a national title for 1941 will never not be hilarious to me.
UCF has a better claim this year than 41, a much much much better one.
I never really paid attention to championships from way back in the day but this got me to look this up. Wow.
Pretty much every national championship claim ever is better than Alabama's 1941 claim. They were ranked #20. They would've finished higher had the polls incorporated bowl games at the time but still nowhere close to #1.
I don't feel like 64 and 73 are much better. How can you claim a title when you lose your bowl game? Especially when the opponent finishes undefeated?
For the complaints and issues about the BCS and CFP at least you have to win to earn the title. I wonder what the reaction would have been if LSU immediately claimed 2011 after losing the game. Like rushing the field and declaring themselves champions.
For the complaints and issues about the BCS and CFP at least you have to win to earn the title. I wonder what the reaction would have been if LSU immediately claimed 2011 after losing the game. Like rushing the field and declaring themselves champions.
I certainly don't consider those teams to be national champions but in Alabama's defense there, everyone claims a title for seasons in which they finished #1 in a major poll, even if they went on to lose their bowl game back when the polls ended during the regular season (e.g. Maryland 1953 or Minnesota 1960). The 1941 claim is based on what we would now call a computer ranking, which is like if Oklahoma claimed the 1986 national title based on being #1 in Sagarin.
Fromm had way too many bad throws and way too many bad sacks to be even "good". It was a bad night no matter what.
Both picks were bad, and 4 sacks were absolute killers. His inability to do ANYTHING after the mecole bomb was a good chunk of what cost UGA the game. All UGA needed was to get a couple of first downs here and there on those subsequent drives and he couldn't deliver.
The refs were atrocious, but even after those 3 bad calls UGA didn't take care of business with a lead. Chaney helped greatly with the gutless playcalling but Fromm was wide off the mark when we needed him to deliver. You can blame that on being a freshman against the best team in the country, but I am concerned that he might not be all that great. After all, he put up all those nice ratios against nobodies or when the ground game was pounding the other team. Auburn 1, Notre Dame, Bama he didn't look so hot.
Both picks were bad, and 4 sacks were absolute killers. His inability to do ANYTHING after the mecole bomb was a good chunk of what cost UGA the game. All UGA needed was to get a couple of first downs here and there on those subsequent drives and he couldn't deliver.
The refs were atrocious, but even after those 3 bad calls UGA didn't take care of business with a lead. Chaney helped greatly with the gutless playcalling but Fromm was wide off the mark when we needed him to deliver. You can blame that on being a freshman against the best team in the country, but I am concerned that he might not be all that great. After all, he put up all those nice ratios against nobodies or when the ground game was pounding the other team. Auburn 1, Notre Dame, Bama he didn't look so hot.
Notre Dame was his first game starting. Auburn 1 nobody looked good, including Chubb and Michel. If you're saying he didn't look good against Bama, we could blame that on him being pressured 50% of his snaps, which is on the OL. Only Isaiah Wynn had a perfect game, the rest of the OL each gave up over 3 pressures.
OL was much improved in 2018, but it's not there yet. They could bully pretty much everyone we played, except Bama. Good thing is, recruiting for that is off the charts and some of that talent will start getting plugged in last year like Isaiah Wilson, who was redshirted this year.
you can excuse it away all you want but it doesn't make it a "good" performance. It was still bad. Bad throws, bad decisions, and holding on to the ball too long were all on Fromm. In the end, he's the one that has to make a play with his feet, get rid of the ball quicker, or check down faster in the face of pressure and he didn't do it.
Interested to see how our defense changes.
I'm probably gonna be happy. Old DC tried to play soft to make up for talent gaps. New guy just gonna go at it, and if we get out athleted oh well.
I'm probably gonna be happy. Old DC tried to play soft to make up for talent gaps. New guy just gonna go at it, and if we get out athleted oh well.
Best thing is: Some of Tua's downside that he showed in the game, are easily fixable issues (avoiding the bad sack, knowing you're in a running play and not a passing play, better ball handling on scrambles). Meanwhile, some of his pluses, are things that you can't "teach." Fromm can probably throw 50 yards easily, but can he throw it as if it was a slant/deep post?
To top it off, Tua's arm speed on his release is nuts.
Yeah, saw the CFBFilmRoom study on Fromm's pressure rates. Something like 51.4% of his dropbacks. Think that'll be the high for Alabama on the year. I know the TFL was the most on the year (12, next highest was 10 vs. Ole Miss)
He threw a pass for 50ish yards to Hardman for a TD. Think it was for 75 yards total.
Tua probably has a better arm than Fromm as far as touch on deep balls. Eason has a better arm than either, but his problem last year was accuracy. Guys would be wide open and he'd throw it 10 yards over their head. Or it would be a short pass and he'd skip in the dirt. I'm sure he would have shown some improvement if he'd started this year, but we'll never know now.
But what about all those charts about how great he is under pressure?
Completed 53.2% of passes under pressure. Which is good, but both of his interceptions were whioe under pressure. So those were definitely big mistakes. Better to throw out of bounds or take the loss than make a bad decision. Hopefully he can improve on that going forward.
On a rainbow vs a dart, is what I meant. Fromm can rainbow it, which is fine with no one over top, but it's just up in the air longer, and can allow WR's (and DB's) more time to react to where it's going. A Dart gives much less reaction time. If you can be accurate throwing that fast and low at great distances, you probably have NFL dollars in your future.
Yes, we definitely should not claim 1941. That's a ridiculous one to claim, and I'm baffled why we ever did it back in the day.
The best parts about it was meeting old timers who were around then and you hear them tell stories about being little kids and stuff and then you look it up and realize that the old guy you just sold parking and beer to in you front yard may have been insane...
One thing about Tua that will either be amazing or scary as hell, but probably both, is his lack of fear, that blind throw td that Calvin pulled down was hom literally thinking, I've got three guys there and one of the is going to be open enough to catch it. Is this what Favre era Packers fans felt? I was screaming No don't throw it to OMG how the hell did that work?
Wasn't that man coverage? In that situation you want to drop it over the top. If it's cover 2 you probably can't get away with that.
AJC has a on second glance up.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying about Fromm. I think he did great for a true freshman. He has a lot of room to improve. And I still expect Fields to get snaps next year and potentially win the job because I think he's more talented and because he brings more ability to run than what Fromm has.
I also think Kirby would not like to break in yet another true freshman QB so Fields will probably end having to wait his turn to start. It just depends on if Fields gives them a better chance to win. I think we'll see more passing next year with our two best players on offense gone.
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Yeah, that's about accurate. That pass barely made it by the LB covering the TE, and Ridley wasn't even seeable when he threw that (he had to be throwing to Najee). Also, Najee was being held from behind (but hey, he probably false started too).
I'm just saying, if you can zip that ball into that hole on the sideline of Cover 2, you break the defense. The Safeties will play much closer to the sideline, and then the TE/Slot deep cross route is deadly, and also there's now huge holes down the middle, if you run in the middle of the field and get to the 2nd level.
Well, the safety was able to read his eyes on a previous play and break a pass up. Safety tried to do the same thing and Tua looked him off and made a great throw. Safety should have been there, though. It was his side of the field.
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Ideally you zip almost every pass, but some passes require touch. He's had pretty good touch through the year and velocity when he needed it. You're going to make me watch part of that fucking game again aren't you so I can see the pass? Fuck youuuuuuu
The throw to Mecole was definitely more of a rainbow but that's what you needed there to get it over the top like you said.
For comparison, Eason's 50 yard TD to ALMOST beat Tennesee last year was of the dart variety.
That pass was incredible. Sadly it's almost forgotten due to the next drive by TN.
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What will you do if Eason ends up transferring to Wazzu?
It's extremely fucking backwards, so naturally, I'm ecstatic.
I feel like Damien is underrated by practically everybody. I could see scouts not feeling him yet and Saban advising him to return one more year.
Bo should've stayed his ass in school, but he's already 4 years removed from high school and injury prone. I get him not wanting to risk it with his financial situation.
Same. And at 22/23, Bo's pushing it, especially for his position. Go get paid, nigga.
I expected them both to go, I mistyped an earlier post. I was honestly expecting it to be Jacobs/Hurts/Najee in the backfield and redshirt an incoming back.
Getting Damien back? shit. I mean. Yeah I won't say no. But I want him to do what's best for him
It is and isn't
Like the lines have blurred massively between if an Oline is making a RB good or just better
With Harris staying I wonder if that's another reason for Hurts not to move to RB. The position is already super thin, after Jalen and Tua I think the next guy up is a walk-on? And then the backfield is pretty loaded with Harris, Harris, Jacobs, and Robinson.
Wouldn't be surprised if Robinson ends up transferring.
Wouldn't be surprised if Robinson ends up transferring.
add on 2 RB's that have signed (from what I can see). Kid from Louisiana that played QB and Jerome Ford. Both backs look to be on the smaller side, like Jacobs. Don't really see anyone else on the radar for this year at RB.
Then there's Tua's brother the following year.
I think Bama is still trying to get that McKee kid out of California or Foster from in state. Foster is 14th ranked Dual Threat and McKee is #3 Pro style.
Then there's Tua's brother the following year.
I want this if and only if he has a future in the league as one. He can make all the throws, but I just don't believe he can read a defense well enough to do so. And his instinct after two years starting at QB is still to slip out of the pocket instead of stepping up into it when it's there.
I'd love for him to evolve and develop. He won't be 20 until next season starts. But I just think he is what he is.
One thing you'll never hear me say about an athlete in any sport if they're under like 26 is that they are what they are, especially at an age like 20
He could definitely grow into the position. Just think given his sample size that it's extremely rare. 2016 might as well have been a lost season for him given how much he was protected instead of developed, but I'm not sure how you give him pocket presence. His instinct is to run because that's what he's most comfortable doing. He was only a QB I think two years in high school.
I wonder if he got a QB coach to work with last offseason. Seems like all the elite ones do.
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