I was not expecting all of this sex and nudity at all. Made for a really awkward watch with my brother.
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Devilman Crybaby |OT| Netflix finally stopped playing Mind Games and Ping Pong with anime fans
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Does Netflx have any overt warnings to these sorts of things in their listings? For some reason I feel that they should. I mean, just saying something is NR doesn't tell you about any of the expected content.
Well, that's kind of hard to say "how" it happens. I'm still a bit confused as to what it takes to actually become a demon. At first I thought it was participating in the Sabbath's but then later on it seems to be different.
As for Taro, I think there was some good foreshadowing with him and demonic tendencies. He was always logging into Akira's account in order to bypass parental filters and watch erotic imagery, in addition to some other outlandish behavior of his for such a small kid. So he definitely had some demonic tendencies at play. And if those are what manifested into a full demon then that's how I expected it to happen
Again I'm still thinking about Episode 9, that's the mark of a powerful work when it leaves this long a lasting impression (For better, and for worse). 4 guys deserve the credit:
Maasaki Yuasa for his Direction of the whole scene
Takashi Kojima for his Animation of the characters and especially of Akira
Even when he's in his full demon form, is more emotive and sympathetic than any other life on screen and you feel his pain
Kōki Uchiyama for the amazing voice work and giving Akira's emotions real raw life.
Give them medals I say. :D
I wish time skips were more apparent, especially in the final couple episodes.
But maaaan they nailed the emotion of the final two episodes. I hope they make a Devilman Lady retelling now.
EDIT: I'd like an updated Cutie Honey too.
Condensing 20 years of battle in to a 5 minute scene is jarring
But maaaan they nailed the emotion of the final two episodes. I hope they make a Devilman Lady retelling now.
EDIT: I'd like an updated Cutie Honey too.
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Yeah, that part definitely was just "HUH?". I had to read the manga to figure out what happened:
It was supposed to be a 20 year war, which would explain how humans suddenly had much higher technology that a crack team of flying units could take out Psycho Jenny, Satan's most powerful Demon underling. It happens so fast I honestly do not know if it is actually supposed to even be 20 years in this adaptation. I understand not wanting to add another episode to flesh out this part given what's at stake and that at this point all anyone really cares is Akira and Ryo killing each other.
And maybe Kimba the White Lion. Wasn't it the same artist who did Devilman? Cuz of the artwork, to be presume.
To be entirely fair, the manga doesn't really add anything to those 20 years, it just says "20 years went by and now humans are extinct". All of the other stuff, such as Psycho Jenny defeat and crazy technology, happens before the timeskip, not after.
Kimba The White Lion is by Osamu Tezuka, Devilman is by Go Nagai.
It just so happens that back then most mangas were still heavily influenced by Tezuka style.
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Phoenix mini-series. Each 'arc' could be a 5-10 episode season.
Devilman is Go Nagai.
Kimba is Osamu Tezuka.
Devilman is Go Nagai.
Kimba is Osamu Tezuka.
Oh wow. Ok, then I can understand why Crybaby did what it did. I guess that's then on Nagai for randomly pulling that stuff out of nowhere (though not surprised give his predilection for high tech as well. I'm honestly surprised he didn't figure out a way to insert a Giant Mecha into this one)
That actually sounds bleaker to me. That Akira after having suffered so much has to suffer a full 20 years doing nothing but fighting Satan experiencing nothing but pain and anguish. In a way Crybaby is merciful (lol) that they ended it without that
Sure is weird to see the Internet narrative around Go Nagai turn from "influential but wacky cult manga author" to "unassailable genius" almost overnight.
I'm not sure this narrative exists in a significant way... most people recognize that this is a very different adaptation and Yuasa carries it with his creative decisions that elevate the work from an influential piece with thin characters and interesting themes to something which actually has characterization and thought put into the world.
Is the show doing well? Is there even a way of knowing whether a Netflix show is popular?
I know people complain about the pacing, but I actually appreciate how dense every second is with information on a rewatch. There are neat things you miss and you never get bored as things move so fast.
I know people complain about the pacing, but I actually appreciate how dense every second is with information on a rewatch. There are neat things you miss and you never get bored as things move so fast.
It's a modern day re-imagining of the manga, it follows the same general story beats but it takes many creative liberties on the actual execution of those story beats.
I think they combined both
Miko was basically the rival of the female protagonist in Devilman Lady. Here they switched swimming with running instead. Also the way demons possessed humans in the second half and the tragedy behind each transformation, reminded more of Lady
Hmm, I'm not that into Anime/Manga circles, but I honestly don't recall any narrative about Go Nagai being some kind of "Wacky Cult Manga Author". He's been cited as highly influential in many articles, interviews and other references, and often duly praised for his work. duckroll said it best though, Yuasa's creative vision was able to really flesh out and elevate the original work by giving it more characterization and updating it to a modern setting.
I would be curious about that very much myself. I don't think there's any independent way to confirm what is a success on Netflix unless it comes directly from them or maybe the partner studio, but likely would have to be Netflix themselves. Does Netflix have any typical process for something like that though?
I finished the series, my thoughts on the final episodes are just poems in the anime thread. I'll write complete review later, but I have 4 gripes.
1. What ever happen to glasses guy and what really happened to miko? My most logical guess is that Miko was a already devil and slaughtered him and everyone else. Unless they added something to the end credits, I feel this was not as conveyed as well as they wanted to.
2. Why did the runner guy betray Devilman so easily? He basically went, "Oops, you caught me! Guess I'm a bad guy now."
3. Episode 8 felt rushed. I don't know if it was editing but everything went by fast. Or maybe its just me.
4. The heelturning of the rappers. They looked like they've been possessed and yet nothing really explains it except maybe they went crazy.
2. Why did the runner guy betray Devilman so easily? He basically went, "Oops, you caught me! Guess I'm a bad guy now."
3. Episode 8 felt rushed. I don't know if it was editing but everything went by fast. Or maybe its just me.
4. The heelturning of the rappers. They looked like they've been possessed and yet nothing really explains it except maybe they went crazy.
1. He died, you can see the severed tattooed hand in the apartment of Miko. Miko along with everyone else in the sabbath got turned into a demon because they took drugs and was in an orgy. The demons need sex, drugs and violence to possess because its in their nature to get attracted to sex and bad things. The glasses guy didn't take drugs so he was much stronger mentally and was thus killed by the demons. (Either Miko or some other demon.)
2. The runner didn't care about humanity and was only there for himself from the start. The only reason he joined the Devilmen was because he thought it was his best chance at survival.
3. I felt it was paced perfectly but I can't speak for others.
4. Two out of the rappers betrayed them for different reasons. The car driver didn't want to die as the mob caught him and the other one did this to get revenge on Miko because he saw the glasses of his rapper friend fall off from her bag and thought she ate or killed him. (Miko probably has the glasses out of guilt for what happened for him or simply liked them enough that she took them after her death.
2. The runner didn't care about humanity and was only there for himself from the start. The only reason he joined the Devilmen was because he thought it was his best chance at survival.
3. I felt it was paced perfectly but I can't speak for others.
4. Two out of the rappers betrayed them for different reasons. The car driver didn't want to die as the mob caught him and the other one did this to get revenge on Miko because he saw the glasses of his rapper friend fall off from her bag and thought she ate or killed him. (Miko probably has the glasses out of guilt for what happened for him or simply liked them enough that she took them after her death.
The only thing that confused me was that I thought the rapper became the demon runner guy, their design was similar, right?
Cutthroat sounds about right. When he went to on that rampage with the broken bottle in the first episode I was like "oh."
I guess you get some glimpses of emotion but throughout the series it always felt like Akira was just a part of his plan, yeah. The flashback montage at the end totally sold me on the their relationship, though, because by that point, you know Akira, and you know he genuinely cares for people. That hug scene got me good, man.
I guess you get some glimpses of emotion but throughout the series it always felt like Akira was just a part of his plan, yeah. The flashback montage at the end totally sold me on the their relationship, though, because by that point, you know Akira, and you know he genuinely cares for people. That hug scene got me good, man.
His realization at the end of the series just it made it all worse. It comes way too late, it makes matters even more sad and despair inducing. I wasn't expecting things to get so bad.
Oh well, God would probably have reset things anyway.
Oh well, God would probably have reset things anyway.
Devilman Crybaby
So in the end, it was good.
As I was around the middle of the series, episode 5 or so, I was wondering why the hype, as imo it wasn't being that good. But the series redeems itself in the final arc, from episode 7 onwards. That's where the payoff really starts, imo.
Even then, I think my attitude to Devilman Crybaby is a bit less positive than many other people. I still have the impression that it could have been better. If the series would have given two more episodes, increasing the total amount to 12, and use that extra time fleshing out the friendships between the protagonists, that way
in the final arc would have been even more effective. The final also had a feeling of rushedness, they seem to go from a
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Overall, I liked it, but I consider it as a minor Yuasa work, I still like Ping Pong, Kaiba, Mind Game or Tatami Galaxy better.
Maybe the fact I was half spoiled had an influence. I haven't watched the old series/read the old manga, but by pure cultural osmosis I knew stuff like
On the specifics, some stuff I liked
So in the end, it was good.
As I was around the middle of the series, episode 5 or so, I was wondering why the hype, as imo it wasn't being that good. But the series redeems itself in the final arc, from episode 7 onwards. That's where the payoff really starts, imo.
Even then, I think my attitude to Devilman Crybaby is a bit less positive than many other people. I still have the impression that it could have been better. If the series would have given two more episodes, increasing the total amount to 12, and use that extra time fleshing out the friendships between the protagonists, that way
the feels
state of paranoia and local conflict to global warfare and from there to apocalypsis in a few minutes
Overall, I liked it, but I consider it as a minor Yuasa work, I still like Ping Pong, Kaiba, Mind Game or Tatami Galaxy better.
Maybe the fact I was half spoiled had an influence. I haven't watched the old series/read the old manga, but by pure cultural osmosis I knew stuff like
EoE end being inspired on Devilman, I think I've seen the final page of the manga before, in other words, I kind of knew it was going to end in global tragedy.
On the specifics, some stuff I liked
-I was debating myself if Ryo was a demon, or a celestial being... funnily enough, it was both!. Satan/Lucifer the angel that turned Devil.
-I liked small details like the small brother showing some worrying pro-Demon tendencies in the earlier chapters as setup.
-I also liked the little twist in the two secondary Devilmans, the two other runners. It seems the girl was going to turn evil and fast, and the guy on the other hand was good, but he turned coats to survive easily, and on the other hand the girl has her redemption, even if clearly she eated the poor rapper.
-The end was good, with Ryo learning he too could feel, just too late. It's like greek tragedy, in how ironic it is: precisely he needed to loss someone very important to him to learn it, but once he has lost him, well, the lesson is worthless, as he didn't care for anyone else.
-'I am Devilman too!', in the comments of last blog post from Miki, was a funny moment. I thought they were other normal people who were saying it as signal of empathy with their situation. But later we see they were, literally, other Devilmans, the ones that Akira were searching for.
-I liked small details like the small brother showing some worrying pro-Demon tendencies in the earlier chapters as setup.
-I also liked the little twist in the two secondary Devilmans, the two other runners. It seems the girl was going to turn evil and fast, and the guy on the other hand was good, but he turned coats to survive easily, and on the other hand the girl has her redemption, even if clearly she eated the poor rapper.
-The end was good, with Ryo learning he too could feel, just too late. It's like greek tragedy, in how ironic it is: precisely he needed to loss someone very important to him to learn it, but once he has lost him, well, the lesson is worthless, as he didn't care for anyone else.
-'I am Devilman too!', in the comments of last blog post from Miki, was a funny moment. I thought they were other normal people who were saying it as signal of empathy with their situation. But later we see they were, literally, other Devilmans, the ones that Akira were searching for.
Whatever the internet narrative was or has turned into, he is probably a step below Tezuka in his influence on the manga world.
The people falling for "That sweet can" tier editing is hilarious, though no one was of a sound mind at that point.
The ending really surprised me, but I had no idea that it was similar to how the original manga also ended. What a downer, lol.
Poked around and found some things about later Go Nagai series that ties all the Devilman stuff together. Spoilers for the ending of this series, Violence Jack, and Devilman Lady:
Violence Jack has a post-apocalyptic setting and you otherwise wouldn't think that it's related to Devilman, but as it turns out:
Another site reported that Go Nagai didn't like Violence Jack (or possibly just the Devilman connection) and then made Devilman Lady the proper sequel. I didn't know that Lady was also directly related and thought it was a spin-off taking place in a new setting, but as it turns out-
So you could essentially view Devilman, Violence Jack, and Devilman Lady all as being part of the same timeline,
- crazy!
We kind of already got that with Re:Cutie Honey, although that is already like 13-14 years old at this point.
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Well, there it is!
Poked around and found some things about later Go Nagai series that ties all the Devilman stuff together. Spoilers for the ending of this series, Violence Jack, and Devilman Lady:
Violence Jack has a post-apocalyptic setting and you otherwise wouldn't think that it's related to Devilman, but as it turns out:
Another site reported that Go Nagai didn't like Violence Jack (or possibly just the Devilman connection) and then made Devilman Lady the proper sequel. I didn't know that Lady was also directly related and thought it was a spin-off taking place in a new setting, but as it turns out-
So you could essentially view Devilman, Violence Jack, and Devilman Lady all as being part of the same timeline,
all set billions of years apart as a time loop causes Earth to form, be destroyed from devil wars, and start over again
We kind of already got that with Re:Cutie Honey, although that is already like 13-14 years old at this point.
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Well, there it is!
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Kinda fell apart the last few episodes.
The artstyle was truly garbage though, if it wasn't for my interest in Devilman from the far superior 90s anime adaption I would have turned this visual trash off.
Artstyle felt like some 5 year olds kids cartoon level crap, completely clashed with the actual mature scenes it was trying to show.
The artstyle was truly garbage though, if it wasn't for my interest in Devilman from the far superior 90s anime adaption I would have turned this visual trash off.
Artstyle felt like some 5 year olds kids cartoon level crap, completely clashed with the actual mature scenes it was trying to show.
There were a few scenes that were drawn really poorly but the rest was an intentional style meant to better convey kinetics.
"That" scene with the father crying over his son involved movements that I've never seen an anime bother to animate. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a mocap actor for that scene that they based it off of.
To each their own but I loved the art style outside of a few minor quibbles here or there. Its amazingly evocative and for a series that plays with some heavy emotions I thought it worked out wonderfully well at making it feel visceral. Not too mention I'd love to see a 5 year old kids cartoon with this kind of style and presentation, sans of course the graphic content.
I noticed quite a few faceless scenes. Those bother me the most, but there a few poorly drawn faces as well.
There are scenes where characters are just outlines with basic features like a circle and dot for an eye, no shading and all one colour tone. Especially the demons not worth a name, many of those are peppa pig level.
The whole humanity is nothing more than insignificant parasites theme is a bit of a downer.
I wouldn't have expectations that are too high. Out of everything announced on the Netflix slate, Yuasa is by far the most talented director on any project. Lol.
Oh, well... I certainly don't expect Saint Seiya to be as good as Devilman Crybaby lol.
That's true, but still looking forward to the insanely lavish Violet Evergarden.
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I mean that's the point, Its just an art decision.
That's a lot better than this (excuse phone camera, PS4 blocks screenshots on Netflix)
I felt the series needed at least another episode to stretch out the climatic ending.
Finding out how faithful Crybaby was to the original manga after the fact was a suprise too.
The final episode had way too much exposition that could have been avoided IMO.
Finding out how faithful Crybaby was to the original manga after the fact was a suprise too.