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Star Trek Discovery |OT| To Boldly go into the new streaming era
- Thread starter berzeli
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so is tyler confirmed a klingon? or just brainwashed human? the later is far more acceptable, the former is kind of too stretching, because I find it hard to believe that 2 random klingons could know enough about human and federation culture to implant the necessary cover in tyler, otherwise tyler should be a very very very unconvincing human and blown his cover in 10 seconds after socializing among humans.
Are the novels considered canon?
"In The Sorrows of Empire, the Sato dynasty continued for more than a century through the use of binary clones of the original Empress Sato, so that the rulers of the Terran Empire would forever have her face; the third Empress Sato commented that she and her "sister", Empress Sato II, were "nothing more than copies of the biggest narcissist in galactic history". The dynasty would end with the death of Empress Sato III and her entire imperial guard (courtesy of the Tantalus field) in 2277, paving the way for Spock's ascension as the Emperor of the Terran Empire."
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Hoshi_Sato_(mirror)
"In The Sorrows of Empire, the Sato dynasty continued for more than a century through the use of binary clones of the original Empress Sato, so that the rulers of the Terran Empire would forever have her face; the third Empress Sato commented that she and her "sister", Empress Sato II, were "nothing more than copies of the biggest narcissist in galactic history". The dynasty would end with the death of Empress Sato III and her entire imperial guard (courtesy of the Tantalus field) in 2277, paving the way for Spock's ascension as the Emperor of the Terran Empire."
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Hoshi_Sato_(mirror)
Wow. This is a crazy theory but I could see it working. How could he have possibly controlled The Discovery crossing over with the spore drive though?
Wait, if Lorca is actually from the mirror universe then where is prime universe Lorca? Maybe the prime Lorca actually went down with the Buran and mirror Lorca conveniently just took his place? Perhaps that could explain why his eyes actually hurt, it was because of some ''finest'' eye torture agonizer/chamber/device/person/thing from before? Also, captain Tilly is amazing.
Wasn't there a real Tyler? They could've had him and based everything off of that.
Didn't notice it was implied that way...
Even so, "cloning" a human personality into a true klingon is still also too much of a stretch...
Dunno man, I just can't accept such concept, if the klingons were that good why didn't they stole that female admiral identity?
Man, what a way to return after that break. Episode was crazy but I loved every second of it.
I don't like that they turned to the Mirror Universe so soon after the introduction of a new series.
Nah I find it thematically interesting with the idea that the Federation is inherently peaceful while the Klingons are inherently warlike. The idea that the Klingons are in more than just a cursory alliance with the Vulcans is a really neat twist I hope they do something with
I would imagine Prime Lorca became the rebel Lorca in the Mirror Universe.
It would make sense that Prime Lorca died with his ship since it was always super suspicious that he was the sole survivor of that incident. Mirror Lorca disappearing from the mirror universe only to pop up in the prime universe makes a lot of sense.
He did something with the panel on his chair when they were doing the hundreds of jumps, it was a very quick cut but someone here screenshotted it
For those of you who have seen this seasons "Black Mirror" episodes...
Would you be open to a spin off within the U.S.S. Calisster universe (The twist within the universe would make it unique and differ from the others on air) or do you feel like the genre is already too crowded with stuff like Discovery and The Orville currently on tv?
Would you be open to a spin off within the U.S.S. Calisster universe (The twist within the universe would make it unique and differ from the others on air) or do you feel like the genre is already too crowded with stuff like Discovery and The Orville currently on tv?
Callister worked best as a single episode. It's far too heavily influenced by TOS to ever survive on its own in any capacity.
It's inspired by it as much as Galaxy Quest, but not different enough like The Orville.
Don't dilute the awesomeness that was USS Calister.
I think if your cast has a lot of PoC, Women and Queer folk, then they are going to inevitably be casualties if the writers are kill-happy.
I can accept that.
I am just annoyed that this mostly unintentionally plays into an ugly trope.
That said, all couples in this show seem to be doomed, so this is par the course.
but what about the aspect that you can
unplug from it and go about your regular offline daily lives? remember.... everyone had access to it on some San Junipero tip, It was an MMORPG
the director is also open to a spin off
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/01/black-mirror-season-4-uss-callister-spin-off
www.syfy.com/syfywire/black-mirror-director-wants-spinoff-series-for-season-4s-uss-callister
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It's great that fan theories have been confirmed and shit, but one of the biggest... involvement of Section 31 anywhere in this series... I really need it to feel complete... even if it comes towards the end of the show's run.. just prove to me they can and will do it justice.
Remember the black badges the show made a point of highlighting in episode 3 that haven't been mentioned since? So odd.
Sure, but it doesn't ultimately matter, it's the mirror universe. I wanted them to explore the prime universe and timeline a lot more before jumping into alternate realities. "Wasting" (at least) two episodes on the mirror universe during a first season that is only 15 episodes in total seems like a shame to me.
meh episode of discovery last night.
I think its a little early in the run of the show to go full on
That's a plot mechanic you generally save for later rather than earlier since you generally want to build out the universe before you do it. We'll see where it goes.
Stuff happened in the episode in the form of the expected.
And unexpected when he
but it felt mainly like a setup episode which is why it felt meh.
I think its a little early in the run of the show to go full on
mirror universe for extended time.
Stuff happened in the episode in the form of the expected.
(reveal of Voq)
killed Doctor.
That was a great episode. I'm up for the rest of the season being in the mirror universe, especially since Georgiou is probably the emperor.
I hope the Tyler stuff gets resolved soon. I think the direction that it took in this episode is sort of boring. It's the only mark that I would put against the episode.
I hope the Tyler stuff gets resolved soon. I think the direction that it took in this episode is sort of boring. It's the only mark that I would put against the episode.
Yeah, this is my objection to it. Flesh out your own world and universe first, then explore these options once you have a couple of seasons under your belt. It's too soon for the mirror universe.
Just watches the episode and really enjoyed it. Captain Tilly was great, so far the show overall has been really good. I look forward to next weeks episode.
I agree to a certain point that jumping into Mirror verse is a bit soon for a show trying to establish it's own unique footing in the Star Trek landscape... but they had that whole half season to do it, and it nearly got them shat on for a lot of fans
Now they are slowly dialing up that fanservice knob more and more... if they can do a good mixture of both unique and fan service, it'll be ok
Personally, if you took the Harry Mudd stuff out of the first half, it would be too damned dark and serious... Mudd was fan service and added some lightness to the show, missing from other Trek shows.
Now they are slowly dialing up that fanservice knob more and more... if they can do a good mixture of both unique and fan service, it'll be ok
Personally, if you took the Harry Mudd stuff out of the first half, it would be too damned dark and serious... Mudd was fan service and added some lightness to the show, missing from other Trek shows.
I actually quite like Discovery as a show. It doesn't feel like Star Trek at all most of the time but it is tense and interesting, the production values are excellent and the overall plot is engaging. I think it can incorporate more Star Trek-y elements without compromising its overall tone and feel. DS9 was different than TNG but it was still great in its own right. It's just the first season and to be honest I prefer erring on the side of excitement by maybe overdoing it with the dark and gritty tone instead of getting a bland and boring season 1 until the show finds its footing like other Star Trek shows. So I guess we'll see.
I am excited to see how the Klingon story is wrapped up by the end of the season and what seeds are planted for season 2. Really liking this show and I am thankful that it lives to see a season 2. :)
He's imo clearly Klingon the doctor mentioned how what they thought was injuries was them compressing his bones or something like that so they modified his body to be that of a human
I mean Orville is just a reskinned TNG with some comedy bits thrown in
Enjoyed this episode a lot. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't even have know the show was back.
I know but TNG is my favorite Star Trek which is probably why I love The Orville.
I hope he sticks around even though he's likely Voq or whatever, a Klingon sleeper agent who doesn't really want to be a sleeper agent finding his place in the Federation is a really interesting idea I hope they explore more.
Yeah this show has had very little in the way of advertising and promotion which I think is really strange.
Yeah I wasn't really clear on what happened. Now that I think about it, is what they said that they had compressed the Klingon's bones to be Tyler shaped and layered Tyler's personality (and skin?) on top? If so, that is FUCKED UP
That was my impression as well. Definitely Klingon. Programming worked a little too good, having trouble snapping out of his human persona.
It takes more than a half season to establish a universe. Hell it takes multiples seasons. I'm not saying this whole mirror universe thing can't work depending on where they go with it,.
The problem is using history as a judge this kind of story works for an episode but then you quickly want to get back to the normal universe and flow of the show that actually matters.
Parallel universes work in trek because it's a temporary spin on the show. But the charm tends to wear off very quickly. It's a nice place to vacation but I wouldn't want to live there kind of thing. Spending too many episodes there feels like we are living there.
That being said, I have no idea how long this arc will last.