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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

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Chamber

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4K hit the market in 2011 I believe and didn't really become affordable at a decent quality along with content to support it until 2015-2016. We're a long way off from 8K being a relevant part of the conversation I think. It's just gamesmanship among the manufacturers right now.
 
1-D_FE

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Madness said:
Not necessarily. Broadcast is going to need to move to 4K otherwise it won't survive the digital onslaught already happening. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vudu and many other services are eating their lunch. As Disney moves to its own streaming service, you can see how almost every major show/movie aside from broadcast is being offered in 4K, even if done post-processing. Live events, especially sports is perhaps the only real remaining hurdle and that won't change until people stop watching. The NFL makes billions each year and yet almost all broadcasts are subpar 720p/1080i with tons of compression. 8K cameras are even trickling out with Japan's Olympics in 2020 with full 8k broadcasting there.
4K is being adopted much quicker than 1080p was in such a short time. The issue for AV enthusiasts should be whether HDR will be pushed as much as 4K or 8K resolutions are.
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I think the biggest issue, at least in the US, is the cable/telco companies completely own the infrastructure. Services can want to differentiate themselves all they want with high bit-rate streams, but they're going through the infrastructure that's owned by their competitors. This is not really a future you want to count on. Between throttling and data caps, I wouldn't exactly call the future bright in this area.
 
zoukka

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They're moving to 1080p broadcasts here in finland in 2020.

8k so close.
 
LiK

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Euro-Zone.

Ordered the 55B7 late this night and got the call it´s coming tomorrow already.

Once i get up tomorrow it´s gonna be like
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Check out calibration guides cuz that's the biggest headache.
 
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Madness said:
Not necessarily. Broadcast is going to need to move to 4K otherwise it won't survive the digital onslaught already happening. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vudu and many other services are eating their lunch. As Disney moves to its own streaming service, you can see how almost every major show/movie aside from broadcast is being offered in 4K, even if done post-processing. Live events, especially sports is perhaps the only real remaining hurdle and that won't change until people stop watching. The NFL makes billions each year and yet almost all broadcasts are subpar 720p/1080i with tons of compression. 8K cameras are even trickling out with Japan's Olympics in 2020 with full 8k broadcasting there.
4K is being adopted much quicker than 1080p was in such a short time. The issue for AV enthusiasts should be whether HDR will be pushed as much as 4K or 8K resolutions are.
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Good post
 
Punished Goku

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The Vudu app from the Play Store doesn't support UHD. They only support UHD on select devices, usually delivered via firmware. Vudu has said that the app for Sony TVs will support UHD with the next major firmware update.

In the meantime, if you have your Ultraviolet accounts linked up, you should be able to watch the UHD Spider-Man on the 4K Ultra app.
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Thanks so much.
 
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Madness said:
Not necessarily. Broadcast is going to need to move to 4K otherwise it won't survive the digital onslaught already happening. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vudu and many other services are eating their lunch. As Disney moves to its own streaming service, you can see how almost every major show/movie aside from broadcast is being offered in 4K, even if done post-processing. Live events, especially sports is perhaps the only real remaining hurdle and that won't change until people stop watching. The NFL makes billions each year and yet almost all broadcasts are subpar 720p/1080i with tons of compression. 8K cameras are even trickling out with Japan's Olympics in 2020 with full 8k broadcasting there.
4K is being adopted much quicker than 1080p was in such a short time. The issue for AV enthusiasts should be whether HDR will be pushed as much as 4K or 8K resolutions are.
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Does broadcast have enough spectrum to transfer 4K content? Without awful compression that would defeat the point.

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I think the biggest issue, at least in the US, is the cable/telco companies completely own the infrastructure. Services can want to differentiate themselves all they want with high bit-rate streams, but they're going through the infrastructure that's owned by their competitors. This is not really a future you want to count on. Between throttling and data caps, I wouldn't exactly call the future bright in this area.
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I wish video providers would let you pre-download higher quality content, instead of forcing you to stream everything. Then your video quality wouldn't be limited by your internet speed. Netflix lets you download some content now, but it's basically only for mobile. I could imagine a system where, for example, if you've watched the first two episodes of Stranger Things, Netflix automatically download the rest of the season to a hard drive in your TV or set top box. And they even do it at a time when they notice your network is quiet.

One of the reasons I buy most stuff on iTunes is because my internet is slow and iTunes is designed for pre-downloaded, offline viewing. But they made 4K streaming-only.
 
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Wowfunhappy said:
Does broadcast have enough spectrum to transfer 4K content? Without awful compression that would defeat the point.
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ATSC has enough bitrate for 4K HDR right now, but no codecs to utilize it.

ATSC 3.0 will have way more bitrate, and the codecs.

But the station owners will mostly use it for shoveling in a million low def subchannels, just like today.
 
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I think most IR/Burn-in were from bad panels or user's fault. I haven't seen an ounce of IR either.
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I think based on the amount of abuse that mine has been through, without a hint of of IR, I believe it is more panel lottery and/or very specific colours. It sounds like red might be the biggest offender given the Netflix logo and BOTW hearts I've heard about.
 
Kyoufu

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Just avoid Netflix's browser if you don't want burn-in on the bottom right corner of your screen.
 
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i am looking for an affordabble 4k 55 inch tv.

so far my research leads to sony xe9005, but also seen an offer for lg 55sj810v
any recommendations?, one would be 1200 euro and the other is 999 euro.
looking for decent hdr and input lag
 
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Kyoufu

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tzare said:
i am looking for an affordabble 4k 55 inch tv.

so far my research leads to sony xe9005, but also seen an offer for lg 55sj810v
any recommendations?, one would be 1200 euro and the other is 999 euro.
looking for decent hd and input lag
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Yes, the XE900 is what you're looking for as a good, affordable 4K TV with decent performance across the board.
 
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I am a but of a newbie but I have a few questions about CES 2018.

-Do any of you guys think Sony, LG or Samsung will announce any sub $1000 4k hdr sets comparable to the TCLp607 this year?

-when do newly announced TVs usually get released? I'm presuming after the SUPERBOWL?
 
Shambala

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I bought a 2017 65" Vizio P series over the weekend. I wanted OLED but maybe in a year or two. But man this tv is amazing. No regrets.
 
ShaDowDaNca

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DOTDASHDOT said:
Panasonic DX902, beats the ZD9 in some areas, not in others, 902 has 0.007 ansi blacks, vs 0.025 ZD9, 512 zones vs 630 ZD, 1300 nits vs 1800nits ZD, Panny has faster pixel response, and 98% DCI coverage vs 95% ZD too.

Anyway my original point was that my B7 delivers a better HDR experience by some margin, with not far off half the peak brightness! Speaks volumes to me, and shows how peak nits are banded around as the most meaningful metric for HDR, when in fact LCD's don't hit those quoted numbers in actual scenes.
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Z9D 65 is closer to 650 Zones,800 for the 75 inch,1000 for the 100 inch.
The Panny reaches around 1000 nits where the Z9D hits about 1850 nits and higher as you go up in size.
The Z9D also has less input lag in 4K/HDR mode plus better upscaling.
 
Iced_Eagle

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LG announced their 2018 OLED's: http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/

Outside of image quality improvements, their big push seems to be voice control with their new processors and the integration of Google Home / Google Assistant into the TV itself so it can act as a smart hub.

The new TV's will support 120fps content, but sadly only over USB as they do not support HDMI 2.1. Hopefully they at least will support VRR for the Xbox One X?

Not too surprising since the HDMI 2.1 spec took a bit longer than people anticipated, so hopefully the 2019 OLED sets will support it fully.

Legitmcfalls said:
I am a but of a newbie but I have a few questions about CES 2018.

-Do any of you guys think Sony, LG or Samsung will announce any sub $1000 4k hdr sets comparable to the TCLp607 this year?

-when do newly announced TVs usually get released? I'm presuming after the SUPERBOWL?
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1) Pricing isn't always announced at CES. Based on LG's announcements today, there are pushing 4k HDR into lower end sets (not OLED though), but again, no pricing is known.

2) Yup. March-June availability generally for new sets. Superbowl is the last big push from retailers to get the previous year models out the door with great sales and make room for 2018 models so they always wait until after that's over. If you're looking for a new set, it can be a good time to buy, especially since the 2017 OLED sets are still amazing.
 
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Iced_Eagle said:
LG announced their 2018 OLED's: http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/

Outside of image quality improvements, their big push seems to be voice control with their new processors and the integration of Google Home / Google Assistant into the TV itself so it can act as a smart hub.

The new TV's will support 120fps content, but sadly only over USB as they do not support HDMI 2.1. Hopefully they at least will support VRR for the Xbox One X?

Not too surprising since the HDMI 2.1 spec took a bit longer than people anticipated, so hopefully the 2019 OLED sets will support it fully.

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A 77'' version moving down the product line, seems to be a big and welcome addition to me.
 
Madness

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Hmmmm... WebOS with greater google/android functionality would be great. Seems like nothing too crazy. People on the fence over whether to buy a B7/C7 should look at picking the sets up on sale or clearance as the 2018 sets come in.
 
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Seems like what I expected with lack of HDMI 2.1 updates

Very curious to what Sony and Samsung offers for their TV options, competition needs to be creative and I'm thinking it'll come down to HDR standards.
 
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It seems the new oleds are using the same panels as 2017 models with only minor upgrades over last year. I was hoping for 1000+ nits oled this year.
 
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Hmmm. I was waiting for OLED to be cheaper. I didn't know about the down-sides to OLED. I'll probably get the Sony X930/40E at some point. The only part I'm sure of is the 65" size cause my entertainment center is 60" wide.
 
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Joule said:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/02/lg-2018-ces-4k-tv/

HFR is a go on new LG oleds as well as smart assistants

Does anyone have a list of all the conferences? time and dates
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I'd take all of this with a bit of salt until next week, when people start seeing actual hardware, and getting to ask questions. Regarding HFR, that's the same marketing language that they clearly provided Engadget, verge, everyone. I'd wait to see that it's actually 4K120, not 1080p120, as already exists in the standard. If that's what HFR is referring to, that exists in the X7 series today. If it is 4k120, it will beg the question about what's going on with bandwidth, since 4k120 isn't in the 2.0b spec and none of th sets have 2.1.
 
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Hm, any chance we can get the Google Home integration as a firmware update?
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I mean my now 2016 Sony X800D got Google Assistamt through a firmware update just a few weeks ago. Granted it is Android TV platform, but I don't see why it honestly couldn't work on the current sets aside from time/resources needed.
 
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I have an LG OLED55B6 and it seems like YouTube videos are straight up not loading for me anymore. Does anyone else have similar problems? I'm on software version 4.31.10.

While we're on the topic, what's the latest consensus on updating the firmware? Is it safe to update to the latest version without screwing up the black levels now? Been out of the loop for a while.
 
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Jeez... It's like being part of one big sick joke. TV #2 won't make it to me, too. I'm done. I want my final refund and I'll put the money aside for some kind of special deal in the future.
 

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So I guess it's safe to say there won't be any new 3D capable OLEDs from any manufacturer this year? I'm close to pulling the trigger on a refurbished LG OLED55E6V for £1400. Sceptical about the refurbished part but they offer free returns... Part of me wonders if that TV is basically the last chance of a 4k passive 3D TV for a while at least
 

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Just curious, what are the 'business reasons' behind not having smaller form factor OLED sets like 40" or less? Last I heard it had something to do with the 'manufacturing process' being constrained to either large form factor only (55 inches and up), or very small form factor only (5" cell phone screens like on the Google Pixel XL). As a laymen to the manufacturing process of OLED, this doesn't make any sense. Shouldn't LG be able to cut the panels/panel strips however they wish? Or is there some restriction with current sizes and/or QA where if they were to cut smaller panels, they would: 1) Have a lot of expensive useless wasted oled panel material they couldn't use for any products for some reason 2) Maybe retooling the panel production machinery for various smaller sizes would be very very cost prohibitive for some reason, or 3) Passing QA becomes very very hard for various medium size form factors as everything has been tuned for ONLY very specific sizes (55", 65", various mega sizes, and 5") ???

Anyone have insight into the cause of this? Is the OLED manufacturing process indeed so rigid that even minor size variations cause a TON of additional problems? Is LG just being stubborn?
 
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TeKFaN said:
Z9D 65 is closer to 650 Zones,800 for the 75 inch,1000 for the 100 inch.
The Panny reaches around 1000 nits where the Z9D hits about 1850 nits and higher as you go up in size.
The Z9D also has less input lag in 4K/HDR mode plus better upscaling.
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1000nits? 1300.

902 has an ansi of 0.007 which is incredible for an LCD, ZD is at 0.025.

Comparing 65" to 65", the Panny is very competitive and bests it in many areas! Even the 100" 2800nit ZD9, still gets beaten by a 750nit OLED in specular scenes, even Vincent says the same......
 
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LG announced their 2018 OLED's: http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/

Outside of image quality improvements, their big push seems to be voice control with their new processors and the integration of Google Home / Google Assistant into the TV itself so it can act as a smart hub.

The new TV's will support 120fps content, but sadly only over USB as they do not support HDMI 2.1. Hopefully they at least will support VRR for the Xbox One X?

Not too surprising since the HDMI 2.1 spec took a bit longer than people anticipated, so hopefully the 2019 OLED sets will support it fully.



1) Pricing isn't always announced at CES. Based on LG's announcements today, there are pushing 4k HDR into lower end sets (not OLED though), but again, no pricing is known.

2) Yup. March-June availability generally for new sets. Superbowl is the last big push from retailers to get the previous year models out the door with great sales and make room for 2018 models so they always wait until after that's over. If you're looking for a new set, it can be a good time to buy, especially since the 2017 OLED sets are still amazing.
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Didn't see your post. Looks like the B series is cutting back the processor like before. I'd avoid it if you want the best experience if you're buying an LG OLED this year.
 

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Iced_Eagle said:
LG announced their 2018 OLED's: http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/

Outside of image quality improvements, their big push seems to be voice control with their new processors and the integration of Google Home / Google Assistant into the TV itself so it can act as a smart hub.

The new TV's will support 120fps content, but sadly only over USB as they do not support HDMI 2.1. Hopefully they at least will support VRR for the Xbox One X?

Not too surprising since the HDMI 2.1 spec took a bit longer than people anticipated, so hopefully the 2019 OLED sets will support it fully.



1) Pricing isn't always announced at CES. Based on LG's announcements today, there are pushing 4k HDR into lower end sets (not OLED though), but again, no pricing is known.

2) Yup. March-June availability generally for new sets. Superbowl is the last big push from retailers to get the previous year models out the door with great sales and make room for 2018 models so they always wait until after that's over. If you're looking for a new set, it can be a good time to buy, especially since the 2017 OLED sets are still amazing.
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No HDMI 2.1 is a major disappointment. I was ready to buy the C8, but now I'm leaning towards waiting for a HDMI 2.1 model.

Also not to happy about the Google integration.
 
Chamber

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Joule said:
Didn't see your post. Looks like the B series is cutting back the processor like before. I'd avoid it if you want the best experience if you're buying an LG OLED this year.
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I think the B8 is still going to be the best value for your dollar this year unless you really need to watch Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk as it was meant to be seen. I doubt the A9 chip makes a huge difference before HDMI 2.1 is integrated in the 9 series next year.
 
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I was trying to hold out for the TCL 55P607 but it just doesn't seem like it's going to come back in stock on Amazon so what's a good backup the Samsung Electronics UN55MU7000 or the TCL 55C807?
 
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swimbuff said:
I have an LG OLED55B6 and it seems like YouTube videos are straight up not loading for me anymore. Does anyone else have similar problems? I'm on software version 4.31.10.

While we're on the topic, what's the latest consensus on updating the firmware? Is it safe to update to the latest version without screwing up the black levels now? Been out of the loop for a while.
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I was watching YouTube last night with no issues. Maybe try deleting/reinstalling the app.
 
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