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Easy Allies |OT| The New Era
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This weeks Easy Update might be my favourite, like, piece of straight talking EZA has ever done.
Ian and Kyle Shooting the Shit should be a show.
Ian and Kyle Shooting the Shit should be a show.
I can't. It's zelda this year.
If they do rankings it'll be
1) Zelda
2) Mario
3) Persona 5 - with Huber fighting for this one the hardest.
They should all record a 5 minute video or shorter giving their top 5 games of the year.
I'd be very interested in Don's picks.
I'd be very interested in Don's picks.
Also it seems like Kyle is going back and forth between Zelda and Mario, and Ian prefers Zelda. They said it would most likely be between those two, even though the discussion hasn't happened yet.
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times that BotW would be a boring choice, but I hope what other outlets have picked doesn't factor into their decisions. No matter what they choose, I hope they fight for whichever game they think is truly the best/their favourite.
I'd much prefer they'd do individual list videos and forgo naming one game the GOTY like we're the Oscars or something. I know the community seems to love debating this sort of thing but it's always felt silly to me. Maybe a fun exercise for a group stream, but I often feel it's taken too seriously (by the community, mostly) and it also just feeds into the gaming marketing machine ("over 25 Game of the Year awards!") that sometimes makes games journalism feel icky.
I just think I'd rather know what each Ally loved and was surprised by during 2017, instead of raised voices over whether there were too many Moons in Mario Odyssey.
I just think I'd rather know what each Ally loved and was surprised by during 2017, instead of raised voices over whether there were too many Moons in Mario Odyssey.
Like I said in the GiantBomb thread, these winners lists are not the be all, end all. I personally don't even care who wins. My friends opinions probably matter more. And at the end of the day, my GOTY/top 10 matters the most to me. For me, the interesting part is the discussion, breaking down each game and why its good and why its bad.
Thats why I hope they actually record the deliberations for game of the year. If its a "here's a video, we announced of all the winners" like last year, I'm gonna be really disappointed.
Thats why I hope they actually record the deliberations for game of the year. If its a "here's a video, we announced of all the winners" like last year, I'm gonna be really disappointed.
Agree on #1, not sure about Mario being above Persona 5. I think that will be a battle.
I think the #4 spot will also be a battle (aka, "games that could've won GOTY in 2016 but not in 2017")
(Predictions based exclusively on my judgment of the quality of all games involved)
But this reminds me. There's something I need to get off my chest, EZA-Era... and maybe we can make it into a fun game.
My nuclear bombshell gaming opinion of 2017:
I had more fun playing Sonic Mania than I did playing Mario Odyssey.
My nuclear bombshell gaming opinion of 2017:
I had more fun playing Sonic Mania than I did playing Mario Odyssey.
Maybe p5 gets to 2 but that'll be a rough battle. It really depends on how much backing Ben gives Huber and if Brad would put it ahead of Mario. Damiani is catching up with p5 but I don't see him rating it above Mario or Zelda.
Of course this all assumes they'll do a ranked list.
it's gonna be a battle between mario and zelda, but maybe some other allies will bring other games just to spice it up a little. (we know huber with p5, maybe brad with yakuza?
but yeah, it's gonna boil to those 2
btw ourghostsofwar keep me updated with your impression on ever17!
but yeah, it's gonna boil to those 2
btw ourghostsofwar keep me updated with your impression on ever17!
The E3 hype stream they did the week before it started? It might have been that
I agree. The final lists that outlets put out are really often quite uninteresting. I'd much rather hear a recorded debate about what people feel are the merits and flaws of the games rather than just the final decision.
I'd also rather just see individual lists likeThe Third Heatsaid. GOTY lists from an outlet are pretty worthless beyond entertainment value since there are very few (if any) games that everyone has played. If people haven't even played the game, how can you ever really have an informed discussion on what belongs in the list? You can't. It just becomes the GB situation with people making cases for games, and trying to ram through their passion games. Which again is pretty boring. I'd be much more interested in hearing what Ian or Ben's own lists are.
Hearing that EZA's GOTY awards is going to take place during another group stream is disappointing. Aside from the actual GOTY video, last year's GOTYs felt completely thrown together and I was hoping for something far more organised this year. Do we at least have confirmation of a recorded debate on GOTY?
Also, Persona 5 is this year's Final Fantasy XV.
Also, Persona 5 is this year's Final Fantasy XV.
Which is why GB supplement their main top 10, the one that gets the top billing, with personal top 10s from each of them.
And generally speaking category awards excite me more since they are less predictable.
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Sure thing. I've been busy touring NYC with family over from Australia for the past week but will get back into Ever17 tomorrow.
The thing that really brings it together for me is how they supplement their own lists (which aren't totally predictable, but if you've watched them all year you might have some decent guesses) with lists from other industry professionals and friends of the site. It'd be neat if EZA could do the same with their friends/SOs/spouses/etc, even if it'd be a ton of work.
And just wrapped up Persona 5. Overall, I think it's a great game and can understand why Ben and Huber would love it so much. But I also agree with a lot of the pushback that the game is kind of a slog. It's a difficult game to marathon play without becoming numb to the charm of it which is why I've been playing it on and off for the past four months.
And after going through TMS#FE and Persona 5, I've got to say that Atlus style dungeons just aren't for me. They're exaggerated, padded, and unwieldy and at points, during both games, I had stop and definitively ask myself, "Is this how I want to spend my time?" Often the answer was no and I'd power on to the nearest save point and quit to come back the following week and continue where I left off. The Egyptian dungeon was infuriating in how it shows how close I was to the actual treasure and then threw five hours of hoops for me to jump through. I nearly listed the game on eBay on the spot.
I stuck with it though for the characters and I think that's where most of the Persona magic really is. I really did like most of the crew of misfits that comprised The Phantom Thieves even if they were flawed characters. Most of my time was set up around maximizing my efficiency around getting as much time of day with them. That included getting SP adhesives so I could finish dungeons in one day, maxing out Kawakami so she could make coffee and curry for me (and eventually grant me more time at night), and maxing out the politician so I could earn more money to keep calling up Kawakami.
The result was that I maxed out Ryugi, Takemi, Ohya, Haru, Futaba, Ann, Mishima, Yoshida, Makoto, Hifumi, and Kawakami on a first playthrough. I enjoyed how all the characters were broken in their own way and your friendship helped encourage them to fix those things for themselves. Not all the stories are satisfying (Hifumi starts off interesting but ends with a whimper) but more often than not it's all very good character building. Better than in any game I've played in 2017.
But man, I keep coming back to how atrocious those dungeons are. They're designed like they were made for a free-to-play grind but Atlus forgot to charge people money to get through them any faster. And it's totally cool if that's your thing but I hate feeling like a game doesn't respect my time and such a feeling tugged at me multiple times over my 100+ hour playthrough. It makes me want to avoid all future Atlus RPGs until one's released that doesn't suffer from such pacing issues. I was interested in Persona 4 but I'm considering pass on the game completely or waiting until 2019 at the earliest to try jumping back in.
And after going through TMS#FE and Persona 5, I've got to say that Atlus style dungeons just aren't for me. They're exaggerated, padded, and unwieldy and at points, during both games, I had stop and definitively ask myself, "Is this how I want to spend my time?" Often the answer was no and I'd power on to the nearest save point and quit to come back the following week and continue where I left off. The Egyptian dungeon was infuriating in how it shows how close I was to the actual treasure and then threw five hours of hoops for me to jump through. I nearly listed the game on eBay on the spot.
I stuck with it though for the characters and I think that's where most of the Persona magic really is. I really did like most of the crew of misfits that comprised The Phantom Thieves even if they were flawed characters. Most of my time was set up around maximizing my efficiency around getting as much time of day with them. That included getting SP adhesives so I could finish dungeons in one day, maxing out Kawakami so she could make coffee and curry for me (and eventually grant me more time at night), and maxing out the politician so I could earn more money to keep calling up Kawakami.
The result was that I maxed out Ryugi, Takemi, Ohya, Haru, Futaba, Ann, Mishima, Yoshida, Makoto, Hifumi, and Kawakami on a first playthrough. I enjoyed how all the characters were broken in their own way and your friendship helped encourage them to fix those things for themselves. Not all the stories are satisfying (Hifumi starts off interesting but ends with a whimper) but more often than not it's all very good character building. Better than in any game I've played in 2017.
But man, I keep coming back to how atrocious those dungeons are. They're designed like they were made for a free-to-play grind but Atlus forgot to charge people money to get through them any faster. And it's totally cool if that's your thing but I hate feeling like a game doesn't respect my time and such a feeling tugged at me multiple times over my 100+ hour playthrough. It makes me want to avoid all future Atlus RPGs until one's released that doesn't suffer from such pacing issues. I was interested in Persona 4 but I'm considering pass on the game completely or waiting until 2019 at the earliest to try jumping back in.
It's a shame that the dungeons are somehow significantly better than past dungeons, but still just too damn long.
I've been stuck on the final story dungeon since probably the end of April and still don't feel like going back to finish it.
A bit late, but Happy New Year to all Allies. Enjoyed listening to Frame Trap and the podcast over the Holidays.
That Star Wars idea of a whole city built in space in an old star destroyer makes me sad only because I will never see it.
It was like Macross and the SDF-1 but in Star Wars. Would be fun to see
Are the dungeons as long as the other Persona games? I don't regret finishing the game. In many ways, it's like climbing Everest. I'm happy to have done it once but it took a lot of endurance to climb that summit and I don't know if I have it in me to do it all over again. I'd also be remiss for not mentioning that Persona 5 probably has my favorite soundtrack of the year. The OST (with a special nod to "Rivers in the Desert") is the most enjoyable I've heard in two years since the highly divisive Xenoblade Chronicles X OST (with the Persona 5 OST undoubtedly benefitting from a better mix and mastering process). I feel like many Western composers create their works to set the ambiance instead of actively engaging the player. It's a trend I've seen recently in films as well. Persona 5 kicks that idea to the curb and gives a unique, boppin' type of video game OST I've never heard before.
Since you're in the final dungeon, I'd advise just using Gamefaqs or a Youtube to walk you through the puzzles to help speed up the process. The enemies aren't really that difficult, however. I really loved the magnificent bastards that made up the cast and it was worth it for me to see their journey through to the end. At best you're about 4 hours away from the final boss + a 90-minute storyline wrap up. The ending makes me wonder if the anime is going to be a retelling of the game or a continuation of the story.
I'm actually not sure if they're actually longer, but the fact that the old dungeons in P3/4 were randomized made them certainly feel longer. At least the handcrafted layout of P5 dungeons are less boring to look at and walk through.
But yeah, I was underleveled when I started the dungeon and it just killed my interest. I used a guide to get through the puzzles, but at this point I should just go back and drop the difficulty as well.
Fixed your post. Mario is a good second place to Zelda, you're right. Persona 5 in #5 and Horizon <position in top 10 not found>
Yep. Sounds the same as last year if they're doing it in a 2 hour group stream. Main GOTY debate and pick will be off screen and sub categorized picked on stream. Boo these men. Boo!
But the disappointment is just part of the hype cycle. Let me be hyped!
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