• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Status
Not open for further replies.

zomgbbqftw

Member
Oct 25, 2017
331
London, UK
Absolutely start with The Last Wish, and then Sword of Destiny. I'll admit. The Last Wish is kind of a drag, as are the first few stories of Sword of Destiny. But they're kind of important to knowing who's who and what's going on in the world. Absolutely do not start with Time of Contempt. Blood of Elves is the first book in the mainline series and it picks up immediately after Sword of Destiny.

I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could skip The Last Wish as a whole and just read parts of it. The stories in it that are absolutely essential are "A Question of Price" and "The Last Wish". The rest aren't super necessary.
Sword of Destiny (Brokilon) is absolutely necessary.
It's where we meet Ciri for the first time
 

Deleted member 2229

User requested account closure
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,740
Absolutely start with The Last Wish, and then Sword of Destiny. I'll admit. The Last Wish is kind of a drag, as are the first few stories of Sword of Destiny. But they're kind of important to knowing who's who and what's going on in the world. Absolutely do not start with Time of Contempt. Blood of Elves is the first book in the mainline series and it picks up immediately after Sword of Destiny.

I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could skip The Last Wish as a whole and just read parts of it. The stories in it that are absolutely essential are "A Question of Price" and "The Last Wish". The rest aren't super necessary.
Ill check em out, thanks!
 

mugurumakensei

Elizabeth, I’m coming to join you!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,327
They should probably adapt the books' anthology format. It'll be like medieval Black Mirror.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
Ill check em out, thanks!

It should be noted: a very large chunk of Sword of Destiny (as a whole book) is super important, so read all of it. The Last Wish (the first collection) is what I'm talking about above, and includes the two stories I mentioned.

Sword of Destiny (Brokilon) is absolutely necessary.
It's where we meet Ciri for the first time
I'm talking about The Last Wish. "The Sword of Destiny" short story is in the collection of the same name.
 

Realeza

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,904
Can't fucking wait for it. I hope it has Marco Polo levels production, but actual good story.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
So Sapkowski said it was not going to look similar to the games, but here we are, with production people using a CDPR Northern Kingdoms Witcher 2 map lol

Yeah, if visually it doesnt look like the games, and here is the problem because CDPR was super faithful to them design and character wise, and Sapkowski starts changing things just because of the hate and not wanting his series to look like the games, he is going to fuck up his own work.

As a big fan of the books and games, im kind of scared sapkowski not wanting to work with CDPR to make it at best as possible because of the grudge he has.

Seems that at least there have been talks and CDPR has let them use the name The Witcher, because thats not the prefered name for Sapkowski and the books are not even called liked that but "The Geralt of Rivia Saga", so netflix is banking full in using the game's name as marketing.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
Wait, he's supposed to be ugly? But every sorceress he comes across wants a piece of him. Though maybe that's just because his relationship with Yenn makes him seem more attractive than he is...

He's supposed to be unattractive because of his mutant-like properties i.e. the white hair, the unnatural eyes, the grotesque scars.

Sorceresses connect with him because they, too, are "unnatural" in some way.
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
42,659
Here's hoping it's good but it not being live action is a real bummer.

[edit]

Wait, someone said it wasn't CG. Is this confirmed? The place that leaked this was from a pitch by an animation studio, was it not?
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
I hope Geralt is ugly like in the books and WItcher 1/2

He's supposed to be unattractive because of his mutant-like properties i.e. the white hair, the unnatural eyes, the grotesque scars.

Thats... thats not really true.
He to supossed to looked rugged with scars but he is not ugly by any sense. Women in the books love his rugged sexy looks.
The only people that really hate his mutant looks are the humans that are racist pieces of shit, but those are the same type of peoole that would also find disgusting elfs.
He looks his part in the games and the spanish book cover.
 

robosllim

Banned
Dec 4, 2017
548
He's supposed to be unattractive because of his mutant-like properties i.e. the white hair, the unnatural eyes, the grotesque scars.

Sorceresses connect with him because they, too, are "unnatural" in some way.
Ah, makes sense. I wouldn't necessarily call that unattractive, but maybe just off-putting to lay people who are superstitious about witchers or who instinctively fear those weird cat eyes. That's just kinda splitting hairs, though...

Edit: posted before seeing SPRidley's post, but yeah, that.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
Thats... thats not really true.
He to supossed to looked rugged with scars but he is not ugly by any sense. Women in the books love his rugged sexy looks.
The only people that really hate his mutant looks are the humans that are racist pieces of shit, but those are the same type of peoole that would also find disgusting elfs.
He looks his part in the games and the spanish book cover.

That's kind of what I meant. There's big theme in the books that he scares people, and sorceresses are usually one of the few groups of people who aren't totally freaked out enough to sleep with him. Not to say he hasn't slept with normal women, but...
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
Oh, just saw on another tweet they are using the maps from the books also, seem strange they just used the cdpr ones hahaha

Also people asking for ciri needed to be nailed in casting. They know that she is a small kid in the books right?
Something lile this:

La-saga-de-Geralt-de-Rivia-4-Tiempo-de-Odio-Edicion-coleccionista.jpg

What they need to do is cast a kid that knows how to act first and foremost.
 
Oct 25, 2017
32,290
Atlanta GA
Geralt is fucking hot, I think he just doesn't look as attractive in Witcher 1/2 because the art direction/execution just wasn't quite there. I don't think it was an intentional design decision.
 

Buckle

Member
Oct 27, 2017
41,091
So Sapkowski said it was not going to look similar to the games, but here we are, with production people using a CDPR Northern Kingdoms Witcher 2 map lol

Yeah, if visually it doesnt look like the games, and here is the problem because CDPR was super faithful to them design and character wise, and Sapkowski starts changing things just because of the hate and not wanting his series to look like the games, he is going to fuck up his own work.

As a big fan of the books and games, im kind of scared sapkowski not wanting to work with CDPR to make it at best as possible because of the grudge he has.

Seems that at least there have been talks and CDPR has let them use the name The Witcher, because thats not the prefered name for Sapkowski and the books are not even called liked that but "The Geralt of Rivia Saga", so netflix is banking full in using the game's name as marketing.
Thankfully Sapkowski probably has no idea what the games actually look like outside of the box art so he can't purposely fuck over any attempts to adopt some aspects of the CDPR series or get inspiration from it if they like.
 
Last edited:

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
Oh, just saw on another tweet they are using the maps from the books also, seem strange they just used the cdpr ones hahaha

Also people asking for ciri needed to be nailed in casting. They know that she is a small kid in the books right?
Something lile this:
La-saga-de-Geralt-de-Rivia-4-Tiempo-de-Odio-Edicion-coleccionista.jpg

Of course. It's not that hard to cast child actors that really fit the bill. Just look at Game of Thrones.
 

Mockerre

Story Director
Verified
Oct 30, 2017
630
So Sapkowski said it was not going to look similar to the games, but here we are, with production people using a CDPR Northern Kingdoms Witcher 2 map lol

Yeah, if visually it doesnt look like the games, and here is the problem because CDPR was super faithful to them design and character wise, and Sapkowski starts changing things just because of the hate and not wanting his series to look like the games, he is going to fuck up his own work.

As a big fan of the books and games, im kind of scared sapkowski not wanting to work with CDPR to make it at best as possible because of the grudge he has.

Seems that at least there have been talks and CDPR has let them use the name The Witcher, because thats not the prefered name for Sapkowski and the books are not even called liked that but "The Geralt of Rivia Saga", so netflix is banking full in using the game's name as marketing.

Well, as the story goes, Sapkowski took a lump sum for the games instead of royalties. A really small sum - so even though it's his fault, you can understand his anger.

Also, if you check the European database of trademarks, Sapkowski and CD Project share 'The Witcher' trademark - they got to use it in different fields of exploitation.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
Thankfully Sapkowski probably has no idea what the games actually look like outside of the box art so he can't purposely fuck over any attempts to adopt some aspects of the CDPR series or get aspiration from it if they like.
Hahaha never thought of it that way, as he never even played them he doesnt know what to hate.

I will ve happy if the characters just look lile this (the spanish covers were made before the witcher 2):
Portadas-de-Alejandro-Colucci.jpg
 

robosllim

Banned
Dec 4, 2017
548
I see people always wanting to fuck Geralt kind of like having "Witcher fever".
Yennifer had an internal monologue while watching Triss once, noticing how she blushed when she mentioned Geralt's name. So Yen thought, yeah, once you get that witcher D it's hard to stop thinking about it. She couldn't really begrudge Triss for getting with her man.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
Well, as the story goes, Sapkowski took a lump sum for the games instead of royalties. A really small sum - so even though it's his fault, you can understand his anger.

Also, if you check the European database of trademarks, Sapkowski and CD Project share 'The Witcher' trademark - they got to use it in different fields of exploitation.

I would be more with him (and I say this as someone who has lost his creation to other people) if the fuck up wouldnt be his fault, but it 100% is. I understand him being angry with himself, but he is an intelligent man that also should know that the best thing to win more money with his creation now is working with them and not against them.

Also americans seems to have a really hard time to write Yennefer's name right going by the thread lol
 
Last edited:

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
Im betting they are going to go for a mix of The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny for the first season. Then go into the meat and potatoes of the main story on the second one.
And, even if Sapkowski doesnt want, im sure the writers (that have played the game 100% sure) are going to try to show the main game characters as fast as they can. Things like Yen and Zoltan entering the picture in the first episodes (even when Zoltan isnt even that important at the beginning of the books).

Also, i hope people dont get mad when Geralt chooses Yen instead of Triss as official couple lol

Whoops. Just gonna type "Yen" from now on...
Dont worry, a lot of people have the same mistake.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
Ugh I really hope they avoid the love triangle. They won't, but it's stupid and unnecessary and absolutely one-sided.

Triss should be made into a great character because of her strength, and not because she keeps pining after Geralt. I hate the parts where she does that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,780
Witcher novels vs Witcher games is interesting. Let's see what they use for the basis of the tv series.

The Witcher games are a beloved property, a series of classics, but if we are honest, they verged into a more fanservicey/commercial version of the original Sapkowski's books. In the games, Geralt is more badass, he is more handsome, he even finds less racism against witchers so he has an easier time, he is more rich (in the books I think Roach wasn't a horse, but a mule, horses are expensive!), basically everything was tuned to make a more 'pleasing' experience to immerse into being Geralt.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,233
Ugh I really hope they avoid the love triangle. They won't, but it's stupid and unnecessary and absolutely one-sided.

Triss should be made into a great character because of her strength, and not because she keeps pining after Geralt. I hate the parts where she does that.

Of course its completely one sided, in the books she is like the young enamored girl while Yen is the serious woman that Geralt really loves. In the games it was changed to her having the serious role of Yen, as Yen was "dead" while her role is given in the first game to Shani. But then came 3 and they had to make everything like the books, just with everyone more mature, even Shani in the DLC.

Witcher novels vs Witcher games is interesting. Let's see what they use for the basis of the tv series.

The Witcher games are a beloved property, a series of classics, but if we are honest, they verged into a more fanservicey/commercial version of the original Sapkowski's books. In the games, Geralt is more badass, he is more handsome, he even finds less racism against witchers so he has an easier time, he is more rich (in the books I think Roach wasn't a horse, but a mule, horses are expensive!), basically everything was tuned to make a more 'pleasing' experience to immerse into being Geralt.

Mmm, I just think a lot of that is becase of the natures of games and player choice and even with that they kept it as faithful as possible.
And the mule thing, Geralt has had many Roaches.
 

Prolepro

Ghostwire: BooShock
Banned
Nov 6, 2017
7,310
ik Geralt looks eastern european but isnt he technically the universe's analog of middle eastern (Zerrakanian)?
 

GungHo

Member
Nov 27, 2017
6,134
Well, as the story goes, Sapkowski took a lump sum for the games instead of royalties. A really small sum - so even though it's his fault, you can understand his anger.
It's not like he didn't have an opportunity. He went with cash in hand because he thought they were going to lose their shirts and now he's pouting. Tough shit.
 

svacina

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,439
He's supposed to be unattractive because of his mutant-like properties i.e. the white hair, the unnatural eyes, the grotesque scars.

Sorceresses connect with him because they, too, are "unnatural" in some way.
And for the regular population, all witchers are sterile and cannot ever give you an STD, so as far as one night stands go, you could do worse.
 

Azzanadra

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,806
Canada
i actually forgot about this.

personally i found the books awful. well, the first two short story books were OK at best. the first main series book was interesting but after that it just falls apart. to be fair it kinda picks up towards the end of the series but still didn't do much for me. i enjoyed the games a lot but the books...eh. i'd be pretty surprised if they manage to make this show worse than the books.

This is more or less the general consensus, the Witcher saga is Z-tier fantasy trash while the short story collections The Sword of Destiny and The Last wish are good. Its a case I think in which Sapowski created a great universe and characters that was best utilized by other writers, in this case CDPR. He's kind of like Gorge Lucas in that way.

Its also kind of why its hilarious the way Sapowski gets so butthurt over the success of the games, dude thinks he's Polish Tolkein when he's not even a Brandon Sanderson.
 
Last edited:

Prolepro

Ghostwire: BooShock
Banned
Nov 6, 2017
7,310
I don't think so. His mother is Cintran, don't know about his dad.
If I remember correctly his dad was a Zerrakanian fighter. Im only pointing this out because I think it would be interesting to have a middle-eastern actor who looks like Geralt to portray him though it wouldnt bother me too much if they didnt.
 

Fevaweva

Member
Oct 30, 2017
6,487
You forgot wartgate? It was when
Arya is staking out the play. The actor playing Joffrey is checking out his dick for warts with the dick being literally everything on screen.

Really? I have no memory of this ever happening and that sounds like a particularly memorable scene. Man, it has been a while since Joffery was alive.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,798
??
If I remember correctly his dad was a Zerrakanian fighter. Im only pointing this out because I think it would be interesting to have a middle-eastern actor who looks like Geralt to portray him though it wouldnt bother me too much if they didnt.
You might be right, I'm not totally sure. In every piece of media I've seen him in, he has fair skin. I'd be down for a Middle Eastern Geralt. I don't think they're going to delve too deeply into his parents, though.
 

Musician

Member
Oct 29, 2017
299
Sweden
This is more or less the general consensus, the Witcher saga is Z-tier fantasy trash while the short story collections The Sword of Destiny and The Last wish are good. Its a case I think in which Sapowski created a great universe and characters that was bets utilized by other writers, in this case CDPR. He's kind of like Gorge Lucas in that way.

Its also kind of why its hilarious the way Sapowski gets so butthurt over the success of the games, dude thinks he's Polish Tolkein when he's not even a Brandon Sanderson.

While I think z-tier is a bit harsh, I'd agree that the first books are way more interesting than the "epic" it turned into. Give me more folk tales with a witcher twist any day!
 

CallmeDave

Member
Oct 27, 2017
641
Isn't Geralt kinda old, at least for a human in the events of the games? Since the mutation process slows done aging.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,651
Isn't Geralt kinda old, at least for a human in the events of the games? Since the mutation process slows done aging.

Isn't he just in his mid-forties? The sorceresses (especially Yen) are supposed to be old as hell, but I always got the impression the Witcher toxins fucking his hair up just made him look "old".
 

CloudWolf

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,620
This is more or less the general consensus, the Witcher saga is Z-tier fantasy trash while the short story collections The Sword of Destiny and The Last wish are good. Its a case I think in which Sapowski created a great universe and characters that was bets utilized by other writers, in this case CDPR. He's kind of like Gorge Lucas in that way.

Its also kind of why its hilarious the way Sapowski gets so butthurt over the success of the games, dude thinks he's Polish Tolkein when he's not even a Brandon Sanderson.
Huh? He may not be a Tolkien, but the Witcher books are pretty highly regarded as far as I know. The only real criticism I've heard repeated by many is how the translation doesn't quite convey Sapkowski's writing style.
 

Pilgrimzero

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,129
Read Blood of Elves first and man, I liked it but that story went nowhere.

Gone back and read Wish and part way through Sword, good stuff. Geralt and Yenns relationship is interesting to say the least.

Especially the whole "I don't mind him/her banging other people as long as they only love me"
 

Lifendz

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,391
Read Blood of Elves first and man, I liked it but that story went nowhere.

Gone back and read Wish and part way through Sword, good stuff. Geralt and Yenns relationship is interesting to say the least.

Especially the whole "I don't mind him/her banging other people as long as they only love me"


I'm reading Sword of Destiny now (didn't realize there was a second collection of short stories other than Last Wish when I read the main novels) and his relationship with Yen is crazy. I guess she got so pissed at him for sleeping with Triss because that's her friend.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.