I'm not obtuse, I'm asking someone not to be dismissive and rude when having a discussion about things. Everyone is a human being. I don't see how that's hard.
If you don't buy something and don't say why, they won't know. Speaking with your wallet works fine in the positive, it needs to be accompanied by communication why in the negative.
I dunno about deleting fanservice from the world but I sure wish you'd delete your account.
That's tasteless af, I'm both transgender and bisexual and thought the stereotyping of lgbt people was awful. It's not funny and all it does is perpetuate the stereotypes in real life, which already exist and are a problem.
Because that is culture in Japan, that happens very rarely in the West these days. I thought we we're supposed to respect other cultures not to try to force them to be just like ours. The world would be a boring place if we were all the same.
This is demographic data that's actually kind of interesting, generally speaking. As westerners and English speakers are concerned, a quick run of the numbers of the biggest enthusiast site dedicated to that practice would indicate a 58/42% split between men and women among those who chose to specify a binary gender (roughly 30% of the total accounts) within the category of normal users. Power users are closer to even at 51/49%, and the admin team is right down the middle. Age base ranges from 20-40 with a heavy leaning on the mid to late 20s.
Please at least read the last couple pages, I'm begging you. Several active posters in this thread like the same things as I'm presuming you like and feel are under attack. I am one of them. You do not need to be in attack mode here.
This is an extremely important distinction. Thank you for highlighting it again.
Lol that's not culture in Japan you disingenuous crap talker. Regular people in Japan are completely turned off by this sort of stuff. That's why the most hardcore pandering games sell super low numbers. Don't talk about a culture you know nothing about please.
well maybe if you weren't literally jack thompson...?!
It seems a bit odd to rely on 'vote with your wallet', when a few posts you are bothered about a beach volleyball game (43% Metacritic) that is so niche in the West due to people doing exactly that, voting with their wallet and not buying it. Sure, the devs claim it's down to a backlash against buxom scantily-clad girls, but realistically it's never exactly been a massive hit overseas either, and could also just be a poor business decision to localise it with or without any infamy surrounding it. There are hundreds of games that never leave Japan.
This was one of Play-Asia's biggest sellers ever, so someone must've wanted it and voted with their wallet.
By 'biggest sellers ever', exactly how many copies are we talking about? Honestly, niche games are a thin margin on localisation costs across the US, let alone Europe, I remember a few articles at the time looking into the financial viability.
Dang you caught me.
I don't consider games as something that can make you violent at least not to a concerning degree. The distinction is that sex and violence have very different places in our society. It's easy to see why violence is bad, but I would say it's not as easy to see why the objectification that comes with alot of sexualized stuff is bad. I consider it sort of a Trojan horse issue where the sexy/sexualized content on the outside isn't bad, but the internal objectification that can come with is. It's important to perceive context and intent at all times when examining these sorts of things.
I would be happy to discuss violence with you.
I mean, that was an actual shit talker who just got banned for peddling nonsense. You don't see how that's different from being rude to someone who was actually participating in the thread, just because you didn't like their avatar?
That's ridiculous and you would be well served to understand what whataboutism really is, I feel. We cannot have a discussion or raise counterpoints if you are going to say that everything is being done in bad faith.
I am glad that you responded back to me. Your belief that this is the case has been shown to be incorrect:
Perhaps you can tell me how I can raise a counterpoint without being told I am acting disingenuously? That would be far more productive than how you have acted so far.
Does the study show anything for cases of sexualization outside pornography?
It kind of is though. It's possible that media could affect people's view on women, but not on violence, or the other way around. Research suggests it's both, but they are seperate topics and people usually like to bring up the violence thing to go all "but Jack Thompson." Wanting to roll every topic on the matter into a question of "well, DOES meadia affect people or doesn't it" just muddies the waters of this conversation.
If you don't think sexualised media leads to such beliefs towards others, do you think that sexualised depictions of women in games can affect someone's view of themselves? Plenty of women have posted in this thread about how it makes them feel, I think focusing on how or whether it affects a player's attitude towards others is only half the story if routine sexualisation makes some players feel crap.
From what I've read of both games, it seems to me that XB2 tries to mimic Nier Automata's in-lore-sexualisation theme.
It's why I liken "voting with your wallet" to a raise of hands.
That's only half the truth. One likes sexualised designs because they tickle your boner, not because of aesthetics.
I wouldn't say this is accurate at all. Nier Automata has a lot to say about people, emotions, social construct, and perceptions. The design works hand in hand with what it wants to say, while also being sexy. Xenoblade 2 has a lot to say about other things that have very little to do with sexuality or anything to do with the actual designs of the characters really. Those are just flavor. I love Xenoblade 2, but it wouldn't be particularly different if the designs were less sexualized. On the other hand I cannot imagine Nier Automata with any other designs - it would be a very different game.
