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Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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I only beat the first two Broken Sword games (remastered versions). Sad to hear 5 isn't up to par - it certainly looks great and I plan to play it. Is Broken Sword 3 The Sleeping Dragon worth a playthrough? I also never hear anyone talk about the fourth game Angel of Death.

Don't know, this art style is really put me off from buying..

Art style is subjective so I'd say if you're not a fan of the art at all you may not dig it that much. Did you check out the trailer as well? That will give you a full idea of what to expect art-wise.

Don't worry, the PS4 version actually has the two options (the original order and the chronological order), so you can choose there :)

Thanks for the heads up friend. I actually have the PS3 version already, that's why.
 
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I only beat the first two Broken Sword games (remastered versions). Sad to hear 5 isn't up to par - it certainly looks great and I plan to play it. Is Broken Sword 3 The Sleeping Dragon worth a playthrough? I also never hear anyone talk about the fourth game Angel of Death.

3 is ok, but nothing special. 4 is by far the worst in the series, an awful game. A lot of the magic of the original two broken sword games was down to one of the writers, Dave Cummins - who left Revolution in the nineties, and sadly later passed away.
 

Fady

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3 is ok, but nothing special. 4 is by far the worst in the series, an awful game. A lot of the magic of the original two broken sword games was down to one of the writers, Dave Cummins - who left Revolution in the nineties, and sadly later passed away.

Thanks good sir, I may give the third game a whirl someday. I didn't know about Dave Cummins prior to you telling me about him, I looked him up and like you said he played a substantial role in the writing of BS1 & 2 (plus Beneath a Steel Sky). I also bumped into a thread online where adventure gamers were trying to find out what happened to Dave exactly - the thread spans over two years and culminated with the horrible discovery that he had in fact died back in 2008 due to deteriorating health. Very, very sad :(
 
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sir_crocodile

sir_crocodile

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Yes, it's pretty depressing stuff.

Also to give you a heads up 3 is a lot more actionish. It was the time where people thought adventure games wouldn't sell anymore and created their own self fulfilling prophecy.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, it's pretty depressing stuff.

Also to give you a heads up 3 is a lot more actionish. It was the time where people thought adventure games wouldn't sell anymore and created their own self fulfilling prophecy.
If consider pushing around crates (like this) to be the height of action, then Broken Sword 3 is certainly your game. You will be pushing around crates all around the world. In the Congo basin in the heart of Africa, in hideouts of the Templars, and even in super secret dungeon at the finale will you be able to feel the joy of pushing various styles of crates, boulders or whatever around to make a path.
 

WizardofPeace

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Oct 27, 2017
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Looking for some PnC in the steam sale. Played most of the Lucas Art ones and Wadjet eye games. Any recommendations?
 

Tizoc

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Tizoc

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Man Kyrandia 1 is too frustrating for me to rank them among the greats of PnCs.
Gabe Knight 1 on the otherhand deserves a spot.
 

Cecil

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Looking for some PnC in the steam sale. Played most of the Lucas Art ones and Wadjet eye games. Any recommendations?

Broken Age.

It's dirt cheap.
10-14h long.
A lovely art style.
Two characters you can switch between during the whole game.
A game/puzzle structure like in old LucasArts games.
Genuinely funny dialog.
Great characters.
Starts out with quite easy puzzles, but adds to the challenge as you go (without ever being Grim Fandango/Gabriel Knight difficult)
Tons of extra dialogs depending in situation or inventory item being used.
 

notBald

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Oct 27, 2017
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How is Torin's Passage?
I remember playing that, then some purple dinosaur came out of the kid's pocket, then I remember not playing it anymore.

If you're as annoyed as me by that Owl in KQ5, stay away. I suspect they were Sierra's attempts at copying Disney's comic relief characters.
 

WizardofPeace

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Oct 27, 2017
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Broken Age.

It's dirt cheap.
10-14h long.
A lovely art style.
Two characters you can switch between during the whole game.
A game/puzzle structure like in old LucasArts games.
Genuinely funny dialog.
Great characters.
Starts out with quite easy puzzles, but adds to the challenge as you go (without ever being Grim Fandango/Gabriel Knight difficult)
Tons of extra dialogs depending in situation or inventory item being used.

Actually, I have played that. It was ok...


Thanks, already played Thimbleweed and loved it. Will buy a few of those.
 

Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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What is the very first adventure game you guys recall playing? Mine is this bad boy (not my pic):

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Yes, it's pretty depressing stuff.

Also to give you a heads up 3 is a lot more actionish. It was the time where people thought adventure games wouldn't sell anymore and created their own self fulfilling prophecy.

It really is sad. May he rest in peace. Thinking back to when BS3 released, it was indeed a darker time for the adventure genre. It had an incredible turnaround in recent years and all of us P&C fans on this thread are lucky to experience this semi "renaissance" if not full renaissance of the genre. I think indie gaming and all kinds of adventure games as a whole warming up to consoles helped spread the genre around beyond its successful foundations for PC platforms. It would be cool to see a documentary about this someday.
 

Wapcaplet

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Oct 31, 2017
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Haven't heard of this, so awesome that it was designed by Ken and Roberta :D
It's either the second or third game they made, depending on who you ask, after Mystery House (which was only available on Apple II, while I had an Atari 800) and Mission Asteroid.

W&P is not fondly remembered -- AGI/SCI-era games were a walk in the park compared to the really early stuff.
 

Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's either the second or third game they made, depending on who you ask, after Mystery House (which was only available on Apple II, while I had an Atari 800) and Mission Asteroid.

W&P is not fondly remembered -- AGI/SCI-era games were a walk in the park compared to the really early stuff.

It's interesting though, as an adventure game fan, to learn about these oldies for the first time. It must have been awesome for folks like you to get to appreciate the genre's evolution from Wizards & Princesses to what we have today ;D

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I believe it's still the only game in which you can adumbrate and elephant.

Wow, this was made by Lucasfilm games/Lucasarts? I had no idea. The cover art alone makes the game look dauntingly hard haha.
 
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sir_crocodile

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What is the very first adventure game you guys recall playing?

Nes version of Maniac Mansion:

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Ended up being the best version (had on-hover descriptions, per-character music and less - though sadly not none - dead ends then the other versions). Ended up loving it, and shortly after I noticed the same lucasfilm logo on Secret of Monkey Island in a shop, and I was hooked into the genre.
 

SwitchedOff

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Oct 28, 2017
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How is Syberia Switch?

http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/syberia

From what I've seen online (not played it myself but have played the PC version a few times) there are some issues - there's no mouth movements for the characters when speaking, the speech selection box pops up and down in a distracting manner (it should just fade in/fade out) and it's also larger than it needs to be. None of these issues are game-breaking, just annoying.
 

Fady

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Oct 28, 2017
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Nes version of Maniac Mansion:

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Ended up being the best version (had on-hover descriptions, per-character music and less - though sadly not none - dead ends then the other versions). Ended up loving it, and shortly after I noticed the same lucasfilm logo on Secret of Monkey Island in a shop, and I was hooked into the genre.

Wow, nice way to get into Lucasart's adventure catalogue! I have not played this series yet but I plan to play Day of the Tentacle remastered. Does it feature some version of Maniac Mansion? (On that note, I had no idea this was released on the NES!)
 

Tizoc

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What is the very first adventure game you guys recall playing? Mine is this bad boy (not my pic):

25009742_252777695256518_4803184269260226560_n.jpg




It really is sad. May he rest in peace. Thinking back to when BS3 released, it was indeed a darker time for the adventure genre. It had an incredible turnaround in recent years and all of us P&C fans on this thread are lucky to experience this semi "renaissance" if not full renaissance of the genre. I think indie gaming and all kinds of adventure games as a whole warming up to consoles helped spread the genre around beyond its successful foundations for PC platforms. It would be cool to see a documentary about this someday.
Full Throttle
 

McNum

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What is the very first adventure game you guys recall playing?
Maniac Mansion on the Commodore 64. I didn't know English at the time, so that went... poorly. You kind of need to be able to read English to play that game.

The first Adventure game I remember being actually able to play was, amusingly enough, Day of the Tentacle. "Hey it's those creepy guys from that game I never figured out how to play!" Followed by Sam and Max Hit the Road, in CD talkie version, even!
 
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sir_crocodile

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Wow, nice way to get into Lucasart's adventure catalogue! I have not played this series yet but I plan to play Day of the Tentacle remastered. Does it feature some version of Maniac Mansion? (On that note, I had no idea this was released on the NES!)

Yes, it has the DOS V2 version (you just need to "use" Weird Ed's computer in-game to get to it). You can do this about 5-10mins into Day of the Tentacle.

DOS V2 is graphically the nicest looking version and of course has mouse control, but it lacks music for the main game (just has it for the intro/credits from memory, the game was not originally made with BGM in mind, this was added by the nes porting team and not by Ron Gilbert's team), and has the "what is" that the early lucasfilm games have (where you have to click on the gui option called "what is" to get item descriptions on-hover, which is very unwieldy).

I think the NES version is the best (may be a touch of nostalgia there, but the music is really good), but sadly there is no "definitive version" with the superior graphics and mouse control of the DOS V2 version and the music & gui of the NES version.
 

mattiewheels

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Oct 27, 2017
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What is the very first adventure game you guys recall playing? Mine is this bad boy (not my pic):

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It really is sad. May he rest in peace. Thinking back to when BS3 released, it was indeed a darker time for the adventure genre. It had an incredible turnaround in recent years and all of us P&C fans on this thread are lucky to experience this semi "renaissance" if not full renaissance of the genre. I think indie gaming and all kinds of adventure games as a whole warming up to consoles helped spread the genre around beyond its successful foundations for PC platforms. It would be cool to see a documentary about this someday.
Me too! Talk about a great first game.

Btw, I'll add to the suggestions and mention that I got Dead Synchronicity on iPad for 99¢, it seems like a substantial game for that price.
 
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DDayton

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wish I had a huge pile of money I didn't need.

I'd start a company dedicated to porting old computer games (Apple II, Atari 8-Bit, etc.) to modern game systems as emulated, classic games.
 

Fady

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Another title I look forward to playing for the first time eventually!

Maniac Mansion on the Commodore 64. I didn't know English at the time, so that went... poorly. You kind of need to be able to read English to play that game.

The first Adventure game I remember being actually able to play was, amusingly enough, Day of the Tentacle. "Hey it's those creepy guys from that game I never figured out how to play!" Followed by Sam and Max Hit the Road, in CD talkie version, even!

I know what you mean! When I played the Secret of Monkey Island for the first time I was a little kid and my English wasn't good enough to appreciate the excellent writing in that game. When I played the special edition years ago I really appreciated how funny and well written it was. Since you played Sam and Max HTR, I hope you got to play the trilogy from Telltale Games :D

Yes, it has the DOS V2 version (you just need to "use" Weird Ed's computer in-game to get to it). You can do this about 5-10mins into Day of the Tentacle.

DOS V2 is graphically the nicest looking version and of course has mouse control, but it lacks music for the main game (just has it for the intro/credits from memory, the game was not originally made with BGM in mind, this was added by the nes porting team and not by Ron Gilbert's team), and has the "what is" that the early lucasfilm games have (where you have to click on the gui option called "what is" to get item descriptions on-hover, which is very unwieldy).

I think the NES version is the best (may be a touch of nostalgia there, but the music is really good), but sadly there is no "definitive version" with the superior graphics and mouse control of the DOS V2 version and the music & gui of the NES version.

Wow, too bad they couldn't retain the original port in its full glory. Do you recommend I play through the original DOS V2 version in the remastered version before playing DOTT remastered?

Me too! Talk about a great first game.

Btw, I'll add to the suggestions and mention that I got Dead Synchronicity on iPad for 99¢, it seems like a substantial game for that price.

Indeed it is mattie, such an incredible game for its time. I'm sure Fate of the Atlantis must have been just as special, I admittedly never got to finish that back then!

The Black Cauldron. It took a little bit for me to play another after that... then what I played was KQ V. Oops. Another short break. After that was Monkey Island 2, then I never really stopped.

I never knew there was a Black Cauldron adventure game - I looked up some videos and I was surprised how nice it looked for a 1985 title! Tell me you also played the original Monkey Island game at some point ;D

Have you seen this? If it's anything like their other books, should be gorgeous:



Wow, I wonder if this covers adventure games up to the present time. Would be awesome if so.
 

Tizoc

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I wish I had a huge pile of money I didn't need.

I'd start a company dedicated to porting old computer games (Apple II, Atari 8-Bit, etc.) to modern game systems as emulated, classic games.
Give them qol improvements and i am in

Speaking of which, whats the best version of thr labyrinth pc game?
 

ja2ke

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I never knew there was a Black Cauldron adventure game - I looked up some videos and I was surprised how nice it looked for a 1985 title! Tell me you also played the original Monkey Island game at some point ;D

I definitely did. Monkey Island 2, I pirated my friends Mac copy right when it came out (and eventually later bought multiple times) but didn't get to play Monkey Island 1 for another couple years — until both it and Loom came bundled with our family's first PC CD-ROM drive.
 
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Wow, too bad they couldn't retain the original port in its full glory. Do you recommend I play through the original DOS V2 version in the remastered version before playing DOTT remastered?

It's a bit of a tough question because of the dead ends. At this point in Lucasfilm's history, they still didn't have a proper Q&A department, so a ton of dead ends made it into the finished game (The NES version fixes the ones that were noticed, but there are still plenty of dead ends in the NES version too).

Storywise, you will understand a few of the jokes if you play mansion before dott, so it's nice in that respect. But due to the dead ends you may find it a frustrating experience, as you may get caught in an unwinnable situation and not notice it.

It's a shame too as it's a wonderfully designed game.

There is a fan remake which takes out at least some of the dead ends though (I forget if it's all):

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/401/

Only negative on that one is that it lifts music from dott, which doesn't really fit the vibe of mansion.
 

Fady

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Sam & Max Hit The Road
(But if we talk about adventure games in general and not only PnC then I suppose there were a couple ones before that on C64. I have fond memories about the Dizzy games for example.)

Sam and Max, great place to start. Did you play the excellent Telltale trilogy?

I definitely did. Monkey Island 2, I pirated my friends Mac copy right when it came out (and eventually later bought multiple times) but didn't get to play Monkey Island 1 for another couple years — until both it and Loom came bundled with our family's first PC CD-ROM drive.

Loom, now that's a name I haven't heard in ages. What a golden era for Lucasarts - MI1+2/Loom/Sam&Max/Maniac Mansion/ Day of the Tentacle / Full Throttle....crazy run.

It's a bit of a tough question because of the dead ends. At this point in Lucasfilm's history, they still didn't have a proper Q&A department, so a ton of dead ends made it into the finished game (The NES version fixes the ones that were noticed, but there are still plenty of dead ends in the NES version too).

Storywise, you will understand a few of the jokes if you play mansion before dott, so it's nice in that respect. But due to the dead ends you may find it a frustrating experience, as you may get caught in an unwinnable situation and not notice it.

It's a shame too as it's a wonderfully designed game.

There is a fan remake which takes out at least some of the dead ends though (I forget if it's all):

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/401/

Only negative on that one is that it lifts music from dott, which doesn't really fit the vibe of mansion.

Thanks for all the info - I may suck it up and go through the original DOS version in the remastered game; I always prefer going through some back story in order to fully appreciate franchise sequels.
 

Cecil

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The Secret of Monkey Island was my first, and I still think it's top of the class in the genre. It knew so much more about how to make creative and varied puzzles, then most of the genre has since. The maps, following the store keeper, free Otis with grog, and more like that.

Always been much more of a LucasArts fan then Sierra, but I played Gabriel Knight 1 for the first time just a few years ago, and that was a really brilliant game, that still held up.
 

Fady

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The Secret of Monkey Island was my first, and I still think it's top of the class in the genre. It knew so much more about how to make creative and varied puzzles, then most of the genre has since. The maps, following the store keeper, free Otis with grog, and more like that.

Always been much more of a LucasArts fan then Sierra, but I played Gabriel Knight 1 for the first time just a few years ago, and that was a really brilliant game, that still held up.

Excellent game. One of my favourites. My cellphone ringtone is actually the Scumm bar theme haha. I also enjoy listening to the OST (remade version) softly in the background at bedtime!

I need to try out the Gabriel Knight games. The remake looks interesting.